This is normal for OEMs. For example, HP charges a $450 USD premium to go from a 500GB mechanical to a 512GB M.2 in a workstation laptop. Dell does the same, Lenovo not as much (but still higher than off the shelf)
On the Surface Pro, for instance, going from 128gb to 256gb costs a whopping $300. That's equivalent to $2400 per TB. OEM storage pricing is insane and I refuse to buy any laptop with a soldered SSD
Is this really news? My HP ZBook17 G5 does this as well. I'd have to get an adapter for the optical bay but it already has 3 x M2, 1 x 2.5" bay, and then the optical bay.
The article subject is "28 TB of Storage in a Laptop? Eurocom Has It" which sounds like something extraordinary. It isn't since 28TB can be fitted in other laptops as well.
The HP Zbook 17 G6 can be fitted with 128GB *ECC* and a 5GHz E-2286M CPU. The RTX 5000 option is faster than a single 2080, and has 16B memory instead of 8GB...
Nonetheless, the EUROCOM is like faster since it uses desktop components and the Zbook relies on much lower TDP components. The EUROCOM is a DTR with a small UPS strapped on, whereas the Zbook is a mobile workstation with many hours of battery time. Apples and oranges.
HP doesn't offer 8TB SSD's factory installed, but you'd be pretty stupid to buy them from the OEM anyway. If I had to buy this EUROCOM laptop I certainly wouldn't buy the >$4000 8TB SSDs from them but order them from elsewhere for significantly cheaper. Micron 5210 8TB is available for $800!
The 5000 isn’t necessarily faster and they have completely different usage. Someone looking for ecc ram and workstation components will look ar euro workstation laptops which also offer those components you mention.
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Outrageous price, but the Xeon-based Tornado decked out with ECC RAM and lots of SSD storage could function as a portable server. Not sure if it can be had with a 10Gb ethernet adapter. That being said, the price is still stratospheric.
I have that exact chassis at home (a *much* cheaper, and considerably older, build from Clevo, not Eurocom - but who cares), so maybe I shouldn't be the one mouthing off... yet still, that's not exactly the sort of high-design I'd expect from a $20,000 machine!
Come on, Eurocom. If you're going to sell super-high-end uber-pricey computers like that, at least *consider* updating the look-and-feel to fit the bill...
They just use what Clevo offers,but yeah if I’m paying even 2k I’m looking at the razer or MacBook type design and builds. Just a tad bigger To cram in all those components though.
They don’t offer the 2080ti in a laptop and the 6000 is a 295w part that costs $4k in desktop form. Imagine what they’d charge for a laptop version,$10k maybe?
That's not a bad thing in itself. It's always a tradeoff between performance and temps, and in this kind of systems I think most of its users would prefer performance over a 10C cooler temperature.
If it runs at about the same as the Sky X7C (it smaller brother with only 2xMVME/2xSATA) it runs at a surprisingly cool 45C - 50C. One of the advantages of a nice large chassis with plenty room for hearpipes and larger fans.
There's several 16TB SSDs available on the enterprise market. They're not on open sale, but I would expect an OEM like this laptop manufacturer to be able to source them.
It seems linked to rebuild time, which would take 9 hours for an 8TB drive at 500MB/s, and bring annual server uptime down to 3 nines from 5 nines. However, if a NVMe drive was 10x faster then maybe 80TB would be OK.
Eurocom doesn't offer any 2.5" drive options thicker than 9.5mm, and those 16TB SAS drives are 15mm. They probably wouldn't fit. Squeezing in a SAS HBA would be pretty hard, too, because I'm not aware of anyone making small low-port-count chips for that market. An 8-port SAS chip is 23+mm on a side.
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Don't buy from Eurocom Ottawa, they well know scammers in Canada. They only sell laptops and ignoring all warranty situations, only asking to pay for the warranty. They are scammers and I filing legal investigation against them.
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S4Lee - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
That chassis looks suspiciously like my old Asus G53 - http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/asus-...josephradhik - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
The math seems off, especially when you can choose the Ion drives instead of the Eco 5100s.3*4tb Sabrent nvme drives would be ~2200$
2*8tb Micron 5210 Ion would be ~1800$
Thats only 4000$ of storage. I'd know, I've been price tracking those 8tb ssds since launch, I really want one!
GreenReaper - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Multiply by two for installation!Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
The article mentions that doesn’t include installation or raid setup.FastCarsLike - Sunday, April 26, 2020 - link
Yes. clicking a few buttons on bios is worth a few thousand.. oh wait.. you want us to plug them into the chasis? That's $10,000 sir.Drkrieger01 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
This is normal for OEMs. For example, HP charges a $450 USD premium to go from a 500GB mechanical to a 512GB M.2 in a workstation laptop. Dell does the same, Lenovo not as much (but still higher than off the shelf)Retycint - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
On the Surface Pro, for instance, going from 128gb to 256gb costs a whopping $300. That's equivalent to $2400 per TB. OEM storage pricing is insane and I refuse to buy any laptop with a soldered SSDmilkywayer - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Same. I refuse to buy a laptop with soldered RAM. Looking at the stewpid dell xps 13.hennes - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
GreenReaper> Re double installation costs: True. For almost any OEM. But for sure also including Eurocom.Milkywayer> Re soldered RAM: Their model range tend to come with 4 SoDIMM slots. B
Scipio Africanus - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Is this really news? My HP ZBook17 G5 does this as well. I'd have to get an adapter for the optical bay but it already has 3 x M2, 1 x 2.5" bay, and then the optical bay.sbrown23 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Can you get the ZBook configured that way with 28TB straight from HP? Does HP offer 2x RTX 2080, an Intel 9900K and 128GB RAM? If not ...sandtitz - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
The article subject is "28 TB of Storage in a Laptop? Eurocom Has It" which sounds like something extraordinary. It isn't since 28TB can be fitted in other laptops as well.The HP Zbook 17 G6 can be fitted with 128GB *ECC* and a 5GHz E-2286M CPU. The RTX 5000 option is faster than a single 2080, and has 16B memory instead of 8GB...
Nonetheless, the EUROCOM is like faster since it uses desktop components and the Zbook relies on much lower TDP components. The EUROCOM is a DTR with a small UPS strapped on, whereas the Zbook is a mobile workstation with many hours of battery time. Apples and oranges.
HP doesn't offer 8TB SSD's factory installed, but you'd be pretty stupid to buy them from the OEM anyway. If I had to buy this EUROCOM laptop I certainly wouldn't buy the >$4000 8TB SSDs from them but order them from elsewhere for significantly cheaper. Micron 5210 8TB is available for $800!
dotted - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
Thats moving the goal post. Which other laptop OEM give you the option for 28TB of storage? How stupid it is is irrelevant to the question asked.Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
Yeah but they are talking about 28 TB being offered from factory,we all know it’s stupid to pay the prices but surely someone will and has before.Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
The 5000 isn’t necessarily faster and they have completely different usage. Someone looking for ecc ram and workstation components will look ar euro workstation laptops which also offer those components you mention.smithalbert639 - Saturday, August 22, 2020 - link
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DigitalFreak - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
About time we started getting 4TB NVMe SSDseastcoast_pete - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Outrageous price, but the Xeon-based Tornado decked out with ECC RAM and lots of SSD storage could function as a portable server. Not sure if it can be had with a 10Gb ethernet adapter. That being said, the price is still stratospheric.jcbenten994 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
What would require this much storage?PeachNCream - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Pornshabby - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Step brother and step sister porn to be exact...Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
In 8k with high bit rate audio?eek2121 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
I have 100 TB in a mini-itx NAS. It's fun just to have the space and not to have to worry about running out (though my NAS is half full lol).Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
It is a pain when you’re laptop runs low but 28 tb of ssd storage when the majority of the content would be fine on a hdd.boeush - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
I have that exact chassis at home (a *much* cheaper, and considerably older, build from Clevo, not Eurocom - but who cares), so maybe I shouldn't be the one mouthing off... yet still, that's not exactly the sort of high-design I'd expect from a $20,000 machine!Come on, Eurocom. If you're going to sell super-high-end uber-pricey computers like that, at least *consider* updating the look-and-feel to fit the bill...
Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
They just use what Clevo offers,but yeah if I’m paying even 2k I’m looking at the razer or MacBook type design and builds. Just a tad bigger To cram in all those components though.Notmyusualid - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Why no RTX6000 Laptop GPUs being offered?384bit and based on 2080Ti...
Easy pass...
Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
They don’t offer the 2080ti in a laptop and the 6000 is a 295w part that costs $4k in desktop form. Imagine what they’d charge for a laptop version,$10k maybe?airdrifting - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Yea this thing is going to run 90C+ constantly.Retycint - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
That's not a bad thing in itself. It's always a tradeoff between performance and temps, and in this kind of systems I think most of its users would prefer performance over a 10C cooler temperature.hennes - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
If it runs at about the same as the Sky X7C (it smaller brother with only 2xMVME/2xSATA) it runs at a surprisingly cool 45C - 50C. One of the advantages of a nice large chassis with plenty room for hearpipes and larger fans.Tomatotech - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
There's several 16TB SSDs available on the enterprise market. They're not on open sale, but I would expect an OEM like this laptop manufacturer to be able to source them.Willx1 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
Sorry not questioning you but 16 tb in the 2.5” form factor?Tomatotech - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
2.5" SAS SSD , yes.https://www.scan.co.uk/products/15tb-samsung-pm163...
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/microns-new-15tb...
Tomatotech - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
Or even a 32TB SSD in 2.5" SAS for only £8,000:https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3072-tb-samsung-pm...
Though AnandTech thinks 16TB is the realistic maximum:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14081/the-reality-o...
It seems linked to rebuild time, which would take 9 hours for an 8TB drive at 500MB/s, and bring annual server uptime down to 3 nines from 5 nines. However, if a NVMe drive was 10x faster then maybe 80TB would be OK.
Billy Tallis - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
Eurocom doesn't offer any 2.5" drive options thicker than 9.5mm, and those 16TB SAS drives are 15mm. They probably wouldn't fit. Squeezing in a SAS HBA would be pretty hard, too, because I'm not aware of anyone making small low-port-count chips for that market. An 8-port SAS chip is 23+mm on a side.smithalbert639 - Saturday, March 7, 2020 - link
Perfect laptop.I like this laptop company.It is superb blog and i really appreciate your blog. It is because i always like the informative blogs. You did a great job and thanks for sharing.Top Cleaning Services in Dubai it provides good service you visit here site https://www.yallacleaning.com/cleaning-dubai/Eurocom Scam - Monday, June 15, 2020 - link
Don't buy from Eurocom Ottawa, they well know scammers in Canada. They only sell laptops and ignoring all warranty situations, only asking to pay for the warranty. They are scammers and I filing legal investigation against them.