I looked up the ASRock systems and they are expensive for what you get. $300 for the low end, $400 for the "high" end (a few hundred more MHz on the CPU only). They are priced too high to compete with NUCs. They should have been $250 / $300.
Anton isn't a native English speaker so its fair to expect errors, but if the acceptable level of errors are akin to what we see getting published in these articles, I don't see much point in trying to suggest corrections. I certainly have given up recently because I don't think it should fall on us to act as the safety net under the article that finds all of those typos that made it past review by an editor.
These errors have little to do with not being a native speaker. They are not simply typos but more egregious errors due to not checking specs. The info in the articles feels like a crapshoot. "It says dual-core but it could actually be a melon".
This only uses AMD Ryzen Desktop APUs and no room for a GPU, but if you want that, then there are plenty of other AMD or Intel ITX options. I'm looking at one of these to replace an old AMD 5150 HTPC.
What's the deal with 12nm Ryzen APUs these days? First the Surface, then premium devices from other OEMs, and now all these embedded NUC-like boxes?
It's like everyone missed the memo when the original 14nm chip came out, and for some reason they decided to catch up at a time when the platform is much less competitive.
first series was a BIT more power hungry. Maybe now it ticks all the boxes and they just have no reason to ignore it anymore. AND there was something with AM4 board as there was literally NO mini-itx board since ryzen 1 up to 3.
Yeah, not that many gonna want them when the Zen 2 ones come out - at least, not at this price. This is likely to be the last big sales opportunity for them at anything like a premium price.
All of AMD's "Embedded Ryzen" chips are 14nm because they're based on the original Zen arch, not Zen+ or Zen 2. The slew of announcements is unsurprising considering Intel's continued inability to deliver enough CPUs to keep up with demand, therefore manufacturers are forced to turn to AMD's older CPUs instead. And I'll bet AMD has discounted their embedded CPUs too to make them irresistible to manufacturers who can't get Intel chips.
The AMD product selector got me another couple of interesting hits like a dual 10Gbit Mini-ITX board from Sapphiretech with ECC support: What a sweet little universal compute Lego building block that could make, but I am afraid it's going to cost premium...
It's interesting that the Sequoia option has an identical port layout to the EEPD motherboard shown (left to right: 2x DisplayPort, then 2x USB, then 2x ethernet, then 4 pin power).
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mooninite - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
I looked up the ASRock systems and they are expensive for what you get. $300 for the low end, $400 for the "high" end (a few hundred more MHz on the CPU only). They are priced too high to compete with NUCs. They should have been $250 / $300.cilvre - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
The other difference between the cpu's is the 400 dollar model is a quadcore. They need to update the post to say that instead of dual core.The_Assimilator - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Asking for basic proofreading from AnandTech in 2019, that's a bold move Cotton.PeachNCream - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Haha! Funny, but disappointingly true at the same time.close - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
And I was the "troll" for highlighting that Anton's articles are full of mistakes and inaccuracies that more or less never get corrected.Table here anyone, still full of mistakes months after being highlighted repeatedly to AT staff, including to the Editor in Chief? https://www.anandtech.com/show/14964/gskill-launch...
1×32 GB 32 GB
2×32 GB 64 GB
3×32 GB 128 GB
4×32 GB 256 GB
There's never any followup.
PeachNCream - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Anton isn't a native English speaker so its fair to expect errors, but if the acceptable level of errors are akin to what we see getting published in these articles, I don't see much point in trying to suggest corrections. I certainly have given up recently because I don't think it should fall on us to act as the safety net under the article that finds all of those typos that made it past review by an editor.close - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
These errors have little to do with not being a native speaker. They are not simply typos but more egregious errors due to not checking specs. The info in the articles feels like a crapshoot. "It says dual-core but it could actually be a melon".Alistair - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
If you want a "real" mini computer, get the ASrock deskmini with the GTX 1060, that is only $599.Alistair - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
oh jeeze it supports the old intel cpus only, not the current models, nevermindbrucethemoose - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Zotac makes some nice turbo-NUCs, but prices are all over the place.Freeb!rd - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
What's wrong with "bare bones" one?https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16856158064
This only uses AMD Ryzen Desktop APUs and no room for a GPU, but if you want that, then there are plenty of other AMD or Intel ITX options. I'm looking at one of these to replace an old AMD 5150 HTPC.
Spunjji - Friday, December 6, 2019 - link
Comes with the territory - you're paying for the always-on rating, dual-Ethernet, manageability etc. rather than just the raw specification.brucethemoose - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
What's the deal with 12nm Ryzen APUs these days? First the Surface, then premium devices from other OEMs, and now all these embedded NUC-like boxes?It's like everyone missed the memo when the original 14nm chip came out, and for some reason they decided to catch up at a time when the platform is much less competitive.
benedict - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
AMD probably has plenty of those in storage and selling them to OEMs at fire sale price.deil - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
first series was a BIT more power hungry. Maybe now it ticks all the boxes and they just have no reason to ignore it anymore. AND there was something with AM4 board as there was literally NO mini-itx board since ryzen 1 up to 3.Spunjji - Friday, December 6, 2019 - link
There have been a fair few ITX boards for Ryzen from B350 upwards. Not an avalanche, for sure, but a lot more than literally none.GreenReaper - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Yeah, not that many gonna want them when the Zen 2 ones come out - at least, not at this price. This is likely to be the last big sales opportunity for them at anything like a premium price.qlum - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
I am betting on supply being the main reason. there is probably stock to spare on the amd side where intel really strugglesThe_Assimilator - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
All of AMD's "Embedded Ryzen" chips are 14nm because they're based on the original Zen arch, not Zen+ or Zen 2. The slew of announcements is unsurprising considering Intel's continued inability to deliver enough CPUs to keep up with demand, therefore manufacturers are forced to turn to AMD's older CPUs instead. And I'll bet AMD has discounted their embedded CPUs too to make them irresistible to manufacturers who can't get Intel chips.msroadkill612 - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Its madness folks. For god's sake, solve ur current problem w/ an intel IGP, or an amd apu that doesnt exist yet.Jorgp2 - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
I guess drivers were an issue.Now that AMD supplies them OEMs don't have to worry about support for them.
abufrejoval - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
The AMD product selector got me another couple of interesting hits like a dual 10Gbit Mini-ITX board from Sapphiretech with ECC support: What a sweet little universal compute Lego building block that could make, but I am afraid it's going to cost premium...https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/commercial/amd-ipc...
sor - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
It's interesting that the Sequoia option has an identical port layout to the EEPD motherboard shown (left to right: 2x DisplayPort, then 2x USB, then 2x ethernet, then 4 pin power).willis936 - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Where do the CPUs go?