The technology is there it comes down to cost at this point. You can get say an Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ which stock is 4K 120Hz but can do 144 Hz. You are looking at $1,400+ though. Most people don't have the budget for this so it's much more rare but if must have 4k/144 there are monitors if you have the money. Do not expect these to get a lot cheaper for years. If you don't have the budget then you must sacrifice resolution or refresh rate to find something cheaper.
With the right hardware, and games, they can lower quality settings to get there. That's what FPS gamers have been doing with lower res monitors. Between next gens cards, and games better optimized for multi core cpu's, 4k @100+ will be doable, and there's a market for it.
That is not what the purpose is always for. You know higher Hz isn't always for the latest and greatest games right? It also helps a lot on desktop apps and even basic games.
This is incorrect. The frame buffer latency is not introduced on the display side. If you want lower latency you need to disable vsync and you need more frames rendered.
So is the USB-C capable of video input, as well? The addition of GbE is what's throwing me off, here.
Given the other DP link is 1.2, that means all 4 lanes are needed for 4k60 (SDR). This means the GbE would be working off of USB 2.0, which we all know is 480Mbps. Or, the USB-C somehow supports DP1.4 (while the regular DP link strangely supports 1.2), so only two lanes are needed for 4k60, and the other two lanes can be reallocated for a bidirectional USB 3.0 link - more than enough for GbE.
Or, it is 480Mbps, and they don't care about the bottleneck (nor would is *really* matter, anyways).
I still don't have the answer as to the USB-C DP1.4/1.2, however, it does do USB-C DP-Alt mode. Based on the one amazon review of the monitor, I have to assume it uses USB 3.0 for its upstream data link, which leaves only two lanes for DP. Given the manual wasn't too helpful, I was only able to glean that Phillips expects the USB-C input to be capable of 4k60 as well. This most likely means DP1.4 in the DP-Alt mode.
Good luck, 99% of Intel-based laptops with DP1.2. A good number of the Ryzen laptops aren't in the clear, either, but most should support DP1.4 (hopefully via USB-C DP-Alt mode; it's supported in HW, but not all board vendors or laptop ODMs actually implement the circuitry to output DP1.4 HBR3 signals, and they are stuck with HBR2).
If all of this is true, given the color gamut and resolution, I think it should be a better overall deal than the Lenovo P27h USB-C monitor, barring any serious difference in other panel qualities.
Perhaps so, though be aware it's an 8-bit panel with FRC to achieve 10-bit output. (For most people this should be fine, and will be less noticeable than 6-bit FRC for 8-bit colour.)
I am not entirely sure if a compliant device *must* support 1.4, but that is the only solution I can see that gives it HBM3 and therefore only requires one lane for display information at this resolution. Though, is this necessary? There are four lanes, you use one for upstream, one for downstream... Can you use the two other streams together? I guess Multi-Stream Transport doesn't help here...
It is possible to switch it to USB 2.0 mode from 3.2 mode, however unlike the ultrawide Phillips we saw recently, this is *not* called out in the manual as necessary for full Ethernet performance at full resolution and refresh rate.
According to its specification, available on its website and in the user manual, the monitor uses USB-C 3.2 Gen2 x1 port for the display signal. It also claims to offer USB–C3.2 Gen2 x 1 port (upstream; the same port as the signal) and separately USB3.2 x 2 ports (downstream, 1 w/fast charging). https://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/272P7VUBNB_27/bril...
I prefer a really good gaming monitor, but you can’t believe how many boilerplate 1080p 60Hz 72%-gamut monitors sit on office desks at cubicle farms.
Instead of Generic ACMEtron 60Hz (Or a cheap DELL or HP office monitor), I’ll happily PhotoShop or VisualStudio on this baby any day, even if I miss out on the beauty of 144Hz and 240Hz at my home.
We need this monitor to be the new lowest common denominator. Raise the bar!!
If it meets the requirements of the panel, why pay (or require) more? This isn't the latest and greatest; it's a mass-market device and priced accordingly. May also help keep power usage down.
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surt - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
Is there some kind of magic that prevents 4k from going 120hz+? I'm not interested in buying a monitor that is anything less than 4k/144.FreckledTrout - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
The technology is there it comes down to cost at this point. You can get say an Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ which stock is 4K 120Hz but can do 144 Hz. You are looking at $1,400+ though. Most people don't have the budget for this so it's much more rare but if must have 4k/144 there are monitors if you have the money. Do not expect these to get a lot cheaper for years. If you don't have the budget then you must sacrifice resolution or refresh rate to find something cheaper.Cellar Door - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
2 more years and you will see 4K 144hz for around $500 US.raywin - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
just cost, you'll pay 4-5x this price for a 4k/144Hz monitor in 2019Great_Scott - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
Why? It's a pointless purchase, as there aren't any video cards that can drive most games to pver 100Hz at 4K.MikhailT - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
People don't buy new monitors every few years, they'd last a decade for a lot of people. So, having that option to buy 4k@120/144hz would be nice.And there are a lot of people that likes the smoothness of the interactions. A lot of people liked ProMotion displays on the iPads.
Showtime - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
With the right hardware, and games, they can lower quality settings to get there. That's what FPS gamers have been doing with lower res monitors. Between next gens cards, and games better optimized for multi core cpu's, 4k @100+ will be doable, and there's a market for it.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
That is not what the purpose is always for. You know higher Hz isn't always for the latest and greatest games right? It also helps a lot on desktop apps and even basic games.surt - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
You don't need your game to drive the monitor at full speed to get the benefit for games. The latency reduction benefits a game even running 30fps.But really the reason to want this is for mixed media use.
willis936 - Friday, October 25, 2019 - link
This is incorrect. The frame buffer latency is not introduced on the display side. If you want lower latency you need to disable vsync and you need more frames rendered.jeremyshaw - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
So is the USB-C capable of video input, as well? The addition of GbE is what's throwing me off, here.Given the other DP link is 1.2, that means all 4 lanes are needed for 4k60 (SDR). This means the GbE would be working off of USB 2.0, which we all know is 480Mbps. Or, the USB-C somehow supports DP1.4 (while the regular DP link strangely supports 1.2), so only two lanes are needed for 4k60, and the other two lanes can be reallocated for a bidirectional USB 3.0 link - more than enough for GbE.
Or, it is 480Mbps, and they don't care about the bottleneck (nor would is *really* matter, anyways).
jeremyshaw - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
I've taken a further look.I still don't have the answer as to the USB-C DP1.4/1.2, however, it does do USB-C DP-Alt mode. Based on the one amazon review of the monitor, I have to assume it uses USB 3.0 for its upstream data link, which leaves only two lanes for DP. Given the manual wasn't too helpful, I was only able to glean that Phillips expects the USB-C input to be capable of 4k60 as well. This most likely means DP1.4 in the DP-Alt mode.
Good luck, 99% of Intel-based laptops with DP1.2. A good number of the Ryzen laptops aren't in the clear, either, but most should support DP1.4 (hopefully via USB-C DP-Alt mode; it's supported in HW, but not all board vendors or laptop ODMs actually implement the circuitry to output DP1.4 HBR3 signals, and they are stuck with HBR2).
jeremyshaw - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
If all of this is true, given the color gamut and resolution, I think it should be a better overall deal than the Lenovo P27h USB-C monitor, barring any serious difference in other panel qualities.GreenReaper - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
Perhaps so, though be aware it's an 8-bit panel with FRC to achieve 10-bit output. (For most people this should be fine, and will be less noticeable than 6-bit FRC for 8-bit colour.)GreenReaper - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
USB-C's specification for DP includes DisplayPort 1.4.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C#Alternate_Mode...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/8558/displayport-al...
I am not entirely sure if a compliant device *must* support 1.4, but that is the only solution I can see that gives it HBM3 and therefore only requires one lane for display information at this resolution. Though, is this necessary? There are four lanes, you use one for upstream, one for downstream... Can you use the two other streams together? I guess Multi-Stream Transport doesn't help here...
It is possible to switch it to USB 2.0 mode from 3.2 mode, however unlike the ultrawide Phillips we saw recently, this is *not* called out in the manual as necessary for full Ethernet performance at full resolution and refresh rate.
According to its specification, available on its website and in the user manual, the monitor uses USB-C 3.2 Gen2 x1 port for the display signal. It also claims to offer USB–C3.2 Gen2 x 1 port (upstream; the same port as the signal) and separately USB3.2 x 2 ports (downstream, 1 w/fast charging).
https://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/272P7VUBNB_27/bril...
mdrejhon - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
I prefer a really good gaming monitor, but you can’t believe how many boilerplate 1080p 60Hz 72%-gamut monitors sit on office desks at cubicle farms.Instead of Generic ACMEtron 60Hz (Or a cheap DELL or HP office monitor), I’ll happily PhotoShop or VisualStudio on this baby any day, even if I miss out on the beauty of 144Hz and 240Hz at my home.
We need this monitor to be the new lowest common denominator. Raise the bar!!
imaheadcase - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
They sit like that because they get discount to buy in bulk. No company is going to raise the bar, when the lowest bar just works for basic tasks.sorten - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.2? I guess controllers from 2013 are so inexpensive that manufacturers can't pass them up?GreenReaper - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
If it meets the requirements of the panel, why pay (or require) more? This isn't the latest and greatest; it's a mass-market device and priced accordingly. May also help keep power usage down.timecop1818 - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link
> Brilliance 272P7VUBNB monitor uses a 27-inch IPS panel with a 3840×2160 resolution, 350 nits brightnessThen below table lists:
> Brightness 550 cd/m²
So which number is correct?