If only I could find the right case, this PSU could factor in my dream "luggable" video edit/color grading machine. What I want is a full ATX motherboard, Two M.2 drives, Two GPUs, and PSU in a box. Probably go AIO on CPU cooler. Beyond this all media storage over 10Gbe and Thunderbolt. Nothing in the box. Computer case needs to be pelican-cased for airline travel. Anyone have an idea of the smallest case that can do this? (and still keep things cool and quiet)?
I've seen SLI systems in this case with water cooling, but it'll require slimmer radiators/fans, custom loop solutions (including single slot GPU blocks), and/or creative airflow setup/testing (like no fans on radiator, but all others intake or exhaust to push air through the rad).
Why full ATX: PCI cards needed: two GPUs, One SDI capture card, plus 10Gbe and Thunderbolt 3. Haven't found a motherboard yet with both onboard 10Gbe and Thunderbolt 3 so that probably means a 4th slot. Hence the need for full ATX. But if you find that magic mobo, I'd go Micro ATX.
Have you looked into flex risers and PCIe bifurcation? People have shoved multi-card rigs into tiny cases using ITX motherboards with that method, mATX would give you more than enough PCIe lanes.
DaVinci Resolve uses GPUs for image processing. The program is smart enough to allocate frames to different GPU’s i.e. frame 1 = GPU 1, frame 2 = GPU 2, etc. so performance kinda scales with the more GPU’s you have. We used to run Resolve on a old PCIE Mac Pro with an external box full of GPUs. Also GPU RAM is important for Resolve so the Radeon VII with 16GB of RAM beats a RTX2080 Ti in benchmarks (it’s by like 1% but the AMD card is a lot cheaper).
Resolve is also the leading colour grading tool in the film industry (while thats disputed its either 1st or 2nd). That means things like new New Mac Pro actually are what post production houses want, even if we don’t really want to pay what they’re asking. Lots of PCIE, lots of RAM, and 10Gbe. Also that Vega 2 with 32GB of RAM looks great for post production and VFX composting. Again it’s all price/performance dependent.
I love the trash can Mac because we do a lot of off-site work, so I wish they had a in-between machine. Maybe a Mac Pro Mini with one MPX module and two single slot PCIE slots. You know fits in a Pelican case…
Going back to the OP, I really would like a Mini ITX board with 10Gbe and multiple (2-4) Thunderbolt 3 ports. It would make a great compact workstation with a Ryzen 9 and a single GPU. SDI and RAID storage are just a Thunderbolt 3 cable away if required.
Ehi Stalph we are on the same page with a lot of people it seems, but as you already noticed there are no x570 itx board with 2 m2, thunderbolt and 10gbe. Maybe we need to wait the next threadripper and get a microatx mb.
It's a fair question to ask when they're commenting on a PSU that is designed for *small form factor* systems. ATX motherboard and small form factor systems are not compatible concepts.
ah ha touche. that is the only thing need be said if there was a reason, any, that is the only reason "good enough" LOL.
on another note, most anything under ATX suffer in regards to VRM design and the like, which often ATX not have to "dick around with" due to having the space required (not counting when the maker cruds around and makes lots of usable space all kinds of fubar)
there are not "all that many" motherboards under full size ATX dimensions that even I with a single GPU and a few hard drive/SSD would purchase with my $ (not paying extra for RGB crap that I will NEVER use (do not want it)
When asking to save space, then asking why atx is a legitimate question. The more information a person has, then a more appropriate answer can be given. Wanting it and all that is required, is an ignorant response. Obviously the person asking the question doesn't know everything, or they wouldn't be asking the question. In any case, because the question was asked, a response to have a smaller mb with tb sdi was given that maybe the op didn't realize, and would solve the space issue.
I'm surprised you'd recommend Cerberus to someone who specifically wants full ATX, and not Cerberus-X, which is a mere 2 inches taller and otherwise the same dimensions.
Both are great cases(I personally own non-x Cerberus) but Cerb-X has the distinction of being the smallest ATX case on the market.
ATX cases tend to have ATX PSUs. If you want the system to be small and luggable (and for there to be any point in using an SFX-L PSU) you'll need to move down to mATX at least. Basically your list of requirements contains some mutually contradictory elements, so you'd need to sacrifice one or more of those.
The smallest full featured ATX "carryable" case was the CaseLabs Bullet BH8. 363mm x 321mm x 381mm, 44.3L, integrated handles and supported all 7 pci-e slots to be usable and up 6 hard drives.
The smallest ATX slim case (which only has 2 usable PCI-e slots via a riser cable) is the Thermaltake G3. 454mm x 140mm x 371mm, 23.6L.
If you're OK with non-ATX but just need dual GPU in MicroATX (FYI, less and less manufacturers are supporting this form factor), the recent Cerberus is an option. 319mm x 172mm x 358mm, 19.6L.
I think there's also a few ther dual gpu minicase designs out on SFF Forums, as well. I can't find the name of it though. I don't think it's been released though. It might have the Chimera MachOne.
That is what I need as well but there will be soon, I hope, the technology to put everything you mentioned in a beautiful and compact mItx case so we can bring it also on set in a backpack. I mean the tech is here but available only on apple products (dual gpu on a single board, 4 thunderbolt on a laptop)
Everyone seems to give these USA OEMs way too much credit as if they made it which they don't 99% of time. Enhanced Electronics is the ODM and you can see from their 1000W SFX-L ENP8010 80+ Platinum product page at http://www.enhance.com.tw/new/enp8010-platinum-100... that they are the true OEM. Also, we bought the 800W Silverstone SFX-L Titanium and it failed validation testing for both i9-10900KF + 3080 and also 3090 under load. Crashing occurred very quickly after getting into Prime95+Superposition test so as of now only the Corsair SF750 SFX Gold will pass validation for i9-10900KF + 3090. So temper expectations a bit yall, this is nothing special and who knows if it will even pass validation (no crashing) for the specs you try to do.
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careyd - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
If only I could find the right case, this PSU could factor in my dream "luggable" video edit/color grading machine. What I want is a full ATX motherboard, Two M.2 drives, Two GPUs, and PSU in a box. Probably go AIO on CPU cooler. Beyond this all media storage over 10Gbe and Thunderbolt. Nothing in the box. Computer case needs to be pelican-cased for airline travel. Anyone have an idea of the smallest case that can do this? (and still keep things cool and quiet)?EliteRetard - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
Why full ATX? mATX has enough expansion for what you need and will offer much smaller case options. Like this case for example:https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/cerberus/
I've seen SLI systems in this case with water cooling, but it'll require slimmer radiators/fans, custom loop solutions (including single slot GPU blocks), and/or creative airflow setup/testing (like no fans on radiator, but all others intake or exhaust to push air through the rad).
careyd - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
Why full ATX: PCI cards needed: two GPUs, One SDI capture card, plus 10Gbe and Thunderbolt 3. Haven't found a motherboard yet with both onboard 10Gbe and Thunderbolt 3 so that probably means a 4th slot. Hence the need for full ATX. But if you find that magic mobo, I'd go Micro ATX.careyd - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
BTW I really like that case.Reflex - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
If you have Thunderbolt you don't actually need a SDI card, TB SDI exists and is a thing.edzieba - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Have you looked into flex risers and PCIe bifurcation? People have shoved multi-card rigs into tiny cases using ITX motherboards with that method, mATX would give you more than enough PCIe lanes.jabber - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Just curious, why two GPUs in a video editor?careyd - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Davinci Resolve-long used for grading-now for editing too-lots of grading work as well.Stalph - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
DaVinci Resolve uses GPUs for image processing. The program is smart enough to allocate frames to different GPU’s i.e. frame 1 = GPU 1, frame 2 = GPU 2, etc. so performance kinda scales with the more GPU’s you have. We used to run Resolve on a old PCIE Mac Pro with an external box full of GPUs. Also GPU RAM is important for Resolve so the Radeon VII with 16GB of RAM beats a RTX2080 Ti in benchmarks (it’s by like 1% but the AMD card is a lot cheaper).Resolve is also the leading colour grading tool in the film industry (while thats disputed its either 1st or 2nd). That means things like new New Mac Pro actually are what post production houses want, even if we don’t really want to pay what they’re asking. Lots of PCIE, lots of RAM, and 10Gbe. Also that Vega 2 with 32GB of RAM looks great for post production and VFX composting. Again it’s all price/performance dependent.
I love the trash can Mac because we do a lot of off-site work, so I wish they had a in-between machine. Maybe a Mac Pro Mini with one MPX module and two single slot PCIE slots. You know fits in a Pelican case…
Going back to the OP, I really would like a Mini ITX board with 10Gbe and multiple (2-4) Thunderbolt 3 ports. It would make a great compact workstation with a Ryzen 9 and a single GPU. SDI and RAID storage are just a Thunderbolt 3 cable away if required.
jabber - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Thanks for the response guys. Strangely enough I watched a video on Resolve last night that advised that very feature.umano - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Ehi Stalph we are on the same page with a lot of people it seems, but as you already noticed there are no x570 itx board with 2 m2, thunderbolt and 10gbe. Maybe we need to wait the next threadripper and get a microatx mb.powerwiz - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Why ATX? Because he/she stinking wants it. Thats the only reason that you require.Spunjji - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
It's a fair question to ask when they're commenting on a PSU that is designed for *small form factor* systems. ATX motherboard and small form factor systems are not compatible concepts.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
ah ha touche.that is the only thing need be said
if there was a reason, any, that is the only reason "good enough" LOL.
on another note, most anything under ATX suffer in regards to VRM design and the like, which often ATX not have to "dick around with" due to having the space required (not counting when the maker cruds around and makes lots of usable space all kinds of fubar)
there are not "all that many" motherboards under full size ATX dimensions that even I with a single GPU and a few hard drive/SSD would purchase with my $ (not paying extra for RGB crap that I will NEVER use (do not want it)
Dug - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
When asking to save space, then asking why atx is a legitimate question. The more information a person has, then a more appropriate answer can be given. Wanting it and all that is required, is an ignorant response. Obviously the person asking the question doesn't know everything, or they wouldn't be asking the question.In any case, because the question was asked, a response to have a smaller mb with tb sdi was given that maybe the op didn't realize, and would solve the space issue.
Sancus - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
I'm surprised you'd recommend Cerberus to someone who specifically wants full ATX, and not Cerberus-X, which is a mere 2 inches taller and otherwise the same dimensions.Both are great cases(I personally own non-x Cerberus) but Cerb-X has the distinction of being the smallest ATX case on the market.
Spunjji - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
ATX cases tend to have ATX PSUs. If you want the system to be small and luggable (and for there to be any point in using an SFX-L PSU) you'll need to move down to mATX at least. Basically your list of requirements contains some mutually contradictory elements, so you'd need to sacrifice one or more of those.notashill - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Maybe the Corsair 400Q? Or you can get a custom made case from somewhere like Protocase.JoeyJoJo123 - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
The smallest full featured ATX "carryable" case was the CaseLabs Bullet BH8. 363mm x 321mm x 381mm, 44.3L, integrated handles and supported all 7 pci-e slots to be usable and up 6 hard drives.The smallest ATX slim case (which only has 2 usable PCI-e slots via a riser cable) is the Thermaltake G3. 454mm x 140mm x 371mm, 23.6L.
If you're OK with non-ATX but just need dual GPU in MicroATX (FYI, less and less manufacturers are supporting this form factor), the recent Cerberus is an option. 319mm x 172mm x 358mm, 19.6L.
I think there's also a few ther dual gpu minicase designs out on SFF Forums, as well. I can't find the name of it though. I don't think it's been released though. It might have the Chimera MachOne.
Sancus - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Cerberus-X is the equally great ATX version of Cerberus that adds 2 inches of height to accommodate ATX. It is otherwise the same size as Cerberus.https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/cerberus_x/
umano - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
That is what I need as well but there will be soon, I hope, the technology to put everything you mentioned in a beautiful and compact mItx case so we can bring it also on set in a backpack.I mean the tech is here but available only on apple products (dual gpu on a single board, 4 thunderbolt on a laptop)
tiefox - Monday, October 26, 2020 - link
thermaltake core g3 is the best for this, fits a eatx board and it is very slim!zodiacfml - Monday, June 17, 2019 - link
It appears that it is getting easier to make smaller form factors. I guess it is time for even smaller PSUs to go mainstream like those from HDPLEX.The_Assimilator - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Very impressive.u.of.ipod - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
Thank you for properly calling this "SFX-L" unlike the last Anandtech review of a SFX-L PSU where they just called it "SFX"YoloPascual - Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - link
1.3 hp per L of displacementr0br0b - Tuesday, November 3, 2020 - link
Everyone seems to give these USA OEMs way too much credit as if they made it which they don't 99% of time. Enhanced Electronics is the ODM and you can see from their 1000W SFX-L ENP8010 80+ Platinum product page at http://www.enhance.com.tw/new/enp8010-platinum-100... that they are the true OEM. Also, we bought the 800W Silverstone SFX-L Titanium and it failed validation testing for both i9-10900KF + 3080 and also 3090 under load. Crashing occurred very quickly after getting into Prime95+Superposition test so as of now only the Corsair SF750 SFX Gold will pass validation for i9-10900KF + 3090. So temper expectations a bit yall, this is nothing special and who knows if it will even pass validation (no crashing) for the specs you try to do.