I just gonna say IMO cool, might as well have similar "quality" vendors buy each other, this way here consumers will generally know whom to avoid.
Turtle Beach have had some really nice things over the years no doubt about that, quality and seemingly first choice to use not the greatest plastics etc etc, sorry but I do not buy their stuff, too many +/- opinion of them overall says to ME there are better choices out there.
Roccat I personally consider something like a Steel Series, Razer or a Cooler Master type company where they seemed to have started out on the right foot, asking for a bit more ASP but also delivering more final quality product, but just like so many (like above especially CM) they take "so so" and slap a higher price on it, in some cases "rebrand" (however you want to word it) with few if any changes but higher price.
IMO Logitech is as "simple" as a mouse, keyboard or whatever vendor as a "base level" if other makers cannot be better at this minimum level they are not worth my $.
anywho, let them all team up, maybe less competition, but this might also mean some of the crazy outlandish designs as of late ( disco light show RGB madness) can become more "focused" lines from few vendors instead of a whole metric #$% load all competing with this crud load like if they do not use up all them god awful designs now the world will end.
I don't know about perceived quality versus actual quality. I have two Roccat mice. The one I used most, a Kone XTD has degraded so bad (palm grip, side finger rest) it's hard to hold. This has never happened on the 3 or 4 Logitech mice I had before. I wanted something new so I went with Roccat since Logitech had a serious QA issue (double-click issue) with a mouse that I payed over $200 for and they refused to service it. However, I find myself yet again having to find another brand for peripherals.
The last time I can remember hearing about Turtle Beach, they were selling Montego sound cards. I didn't even know the company still existed, much less had the capital on hand to buy another company regardless of size.
in the days of highly compressed, barely tolerable quality audio many settle for the onboard win audio. I actually do run discreet audio cards in every system i build. So far my favorite has been the Asus(oxygen based) cards. Creative for a while went totally stagnant..but they have finally started waking up as well. The xonar cards are currently my favorites.
Most sound cards test worse than onboard audio now. You're better off using an external DAC because it moves the DAC outside of the electrically noisy computer case.
The Xonar cards as an example are just the same components used in an onboard audio system on a card. Consumer sound cards peaked with the Creative X-Fi and the industry game up after Microsoft standardized the audio stack for Windows Vista and locked out 3rd party hardware enhancements.
I've worked in stores that have sold both Roccat and Turtle Beach gear. Roccat had some nice mice (though not entirely to my tastes, still not bad), but their keyboards were... meh. As for Turtle Beach, the combination of cheap plastics, poor audio quality and terrible ergonomics made me quite good at selling anything but their products to interested customers.
They estimate that they have 48 core product models?
I haven’t used either brand since a pair of turtle beach speakers in the nineties, but if you don’t know how many core products you have - or that there are close to 50 for a company their size, chances are that they are all going to suck. Apple has what, 10 core products? How much love and attention does that statement really indicate?
Currently using a Roccat Vulcan 120 AIMO, and suffice to say... best keyboard I've ever owned.
It shames every other keyboard in terms of design, the Titan switch technology is stunning and incredibly lovely to type and game on, and the keyboard is built extraordinarily well.
Roccat usually doesn't make anything that's less than great quality in their hardware. German companies aren't that flashy or out there, but they make some premium products. I can't speak to Roccat's earlier stuff, but once they got rolling, they've been putting out some serious hardware. I think Turtle Beach is (hopefully) going to seize on that; or, they're going to totally ruin any progress Roccat has made and eliminate those exacting German standards. That would be a pity..
Roccat does currently struggle in the software department though... which is unfortunate.
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Dragonstongue - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link
I just gonna say IMOcool, might as well have similar "quality" vendors buy each other, this way here consumers will generally know whom to avoid.
Turtle Beach have had some really nice things over the years no doubt about that, quality and seemingly first choice to use not the greatest plastics etc etc, sorry but I do not buy their stuff, too many +/- opinion of them overall says to ME there are better choices out there.
Roccat I personally consider something like a Steel Series, Razer or a Cooler Master type company where they seemed to have started out on the right foot, asking for a bit more ASP but also delivering more final quality product, but just like so many (like above especially CM) they take "so so" and slap a higher price on it, in some cases "rebrand" (however you want to word it) with few if any changes but higher price.
IMO Logitech is as "simple" as a mouse, keyboard or whatever vendor as a "base level" if other makers cannot be better at this minimum level they are not worth my $.
anywho, let them all team up, maybe less competition, but this might also mean some of the crazy outlandish designs as of late ( disco light show RGB madness) can become more "focused" lines from few vendors instead of a whole metric #$% load all competing with this crud load like if they do not use up all them god awful designs now the world will end.
It will not ^.^
Lolimaster - Sunday, March 17, 2019 - link
C'mon, I wan't my RGB on the right/left button clicks cause it's more premium bro.stanleyipkiss - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link
I don't know about perceived quality versus actual quality.I have two Roccat mice. The one I used most, a Kone XTD has degraded so bad (palm grip, side finger rest) it's hard to hold. This has never happened on the 3 or 4 Logitech mice I had before. I wanted something new so I went with Roccat since Logitech had a serious QA issue (double-click issue) with a mouse that I payed over $200 for and they refused to service it. However, I find myself yet again having to find another brand for peripherals.
PeachNCream - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link
The last time I can remember hearing about Turtle Beach, they were selling Montego sound cards. I didn't even know the company still existed, much less had the capital on hand to buy another company regardless of size.KateH - Saturday, March 16, 2019 - link
came here to say the same thing! Turtle Beach sound cards were a hot name back when sound cards were something that builders had to think abouthescominsoon - Saturday, March 16, 2019 - link
in the days of highly compressed, barely tolerable quality audio many settle for the onboard win audio. I actually do run discreet audio cards in every system i build. So far my favorite has been the Asus(oxygen based) cards. Creative for a while went totally stagnant..but they have finally started waking up as well. The xonar cards are currently my favorites.Flunk - Saturday, March 16, 2019 - link
Most sound cards test worse than onboard audio now. You're better off using an external DAC because it moves the DAC outside of the electrically noisy computer case.The Xonar cards as an example are just the same components used in an onboard audio system on a card. Consumer sound cards peaked with the Creative X-Fi and the industry game up after Microsoft standardized the audio stack for Windows Vista and locked out 3rd party hardware enhancements.
WhoSamHughes - Monday, March 18, 2019 - link
Do you have links for add-on audio processors testing worse than integrated audio processors?Murloc - Tuesday, March 19, 2019 - link
people who have decent speakers usually have an external AVR anyway so audio cards don't really matter.Valantar - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link
I've worked in stores that have sold both Roccat and Turtle Beach gear. Roccat had some nice mice (though not entirely to my tastes, still not bad), but their keyboards were... meh. As for Turtle Beach, the combination of cheap plastics, poor audio quality and terrible ergonomics made me quite good at selling anything but their products to interested customers.MarcusMo - Saturday, March 16, 2019 - link
They estimate that they have 48 core product models?I haven’t used either brand since a pair of turtle beach speakers in the nineties, but if you don’t know how many core products you have - or that there are close to 50 for a company their size, chances are that they are all going to suck. Apple has what, 10 core products?
How much love and attention does that statement really indicate?
Flunk - Saturday, March 16, 2019 - link
Great, too brands that make subpar crap. I'd rather buy Razer*.*and it's not like Razer products are any good.
LordSojar - Sunday, March 17, 2019 - link
Currently using a Roccat Vulcan 120 AIMO, and suffice to say... best keyboard I've ever owned.It shames every other keyboard in terms of design, the Titan switch technology is stunning and incredibly lovely to type and game on, and the keyboard is built extraordinarily well.
Roccat usually doesn't make anything that's less than great quality in their hardware. German companies aren't that flashy or out there, but they make some premium products. I can't speak to Roccat's earlier stuff, but once they got rolling, they've been putting out some serious hardware. I think Turtle Beach is (hopefully) going to seize on that; or, they're going to totally ruin any progress Roccat has made and eliminate those exacting German standards. That would be a pity..
Roccat does currently struggle in the software department though... which is unfortunate.
Beaver M. - Monday, March 18, 2019 - link
Lets hear from you again in 1 or 2 years.I thought that of my Razer Naga too. Was expensive enough after all.
But it broke very early.
FreckledTrout - Monday, March 18, 2019 - link
Turtle cat, turtle cat doing whatever a turtle cat does.Hxx - Monday, March 18, 2019 - link
Haha thats what i was wondering too if they will end up changing their name. "Turtlecat peripherals" sounds legit to me lmao.