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  • RiZad - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Copy error: "Huawei is able to provide 5G NR NSA/SA connectivity and speeds of up to 4.6GHz at 200MHz of bandwidth at 4x4 MIMO and 256QAM in the sub-6GHz range"

    Assume that should say 4.6Gbps
  • jjj - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Very good effort, not perfect but wasn't expecting any reasonable implementation this year.

    The camera z height is a tough problem to solve, especially as they push for even thinner devices. Not ideal to have one side thicker when holding it and the bigger complication is when you set it down on a flat surface.You would have to rotate it by 90 degrees and have the thicker part at the top.That's actually quite useful as you get a better angle but the hinge needs to be able to take the abuse - the user poking at the screen.

    The hinge looks flimsy ,hopefully they adjust that.
    If the cover material is lacking , hopefully they offer that case for free and maybe a bunch of screen protectors. Hopefully the display doesn't crack at the fold after 1-2 years either.
    5G increases costs, kills battery life and needs 1-2 more years to mature but w/e.

    Price is crazy, they need to be bellow 1000$, they don't matter otherwise.
    I would totally pay 1000$ today for this one and I prefer to buy upper mid range at 200-300$, it's much saner that way.

    They need to get prices down and this can hit laptop sales in consumer pretty hard. If you can fit a 8-10 inch display in your pocket, you can leave your laptop at home at lot more often.
    Integrating a popup laser projected keyboard can actually turn it into a pseudo-laptop and such keyboards might be somewhat viable in terms of usability and costs nowadays. Doubt many will try and kinda doubt it will take off but would be nice to see.

    OK, HoloLens next, fun day today.
  • ph00ny - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    It's not just the hinge mechanism itself. Amount of effort to flatten out the display as well as off angle showing uneven surface along with discoloration in the hinge area is worrisome for a device that costs $2600
  • StormyParis - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Actually, the love handle is very practical. I'm a big fan of Lenovo's Yoga Tab series, which have those. On the ergonomics side, you get something to grip firmly; and on the practical side, it gives you lots of room to put meaningful speakers, camera, battery...

    I really hope fashionvictmhood doesn't kille the design, 'coz in practice it rocks.
  • peevee - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Agree. The asymmetrical design with a thick camera bar is a strike of genius.
  • levizx - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Then move on. It's not for you. Actually, any new tech would not be for you. $1000 get you an iPhone with zero innovation, enjoy that.
  • chrnochime - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    " any new tech would not be for you" YAY for blanket statement. Do go buy this phone and enlighten us with your baller status since you seem like you have too much money.
  • hojnikb - Sunday, March 10, 2019 - link

    It's funny how Apple is accused of not innovating at all and yet everyone seems to copy everything they do.
  • danthekilla - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Price seems very reasonable to me.
  • alexdi - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    So they can design a state of the art folding handset, but they have to steal a robot arm to test it?
  • porcupineLTD - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Watch all charges and accusations being dropped once trade negotiations are over, this Huawei witch hunt is nothing but a charade.
  • Morawka - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Huawei has a long history of IP theft. Tappy the robot being the most recent. In 2004, Huawei stole core router software code from Cisco Systems. In 2011 Huawei stole a hinge mechanism made by Apple that allowed for thinner screens and bezels. Just look at any of their handsets produced from 2014-2016 and compare those with Apple and Samsung devices. It's not a witch hunt. There is merit to the accusations.
  • Sailor23M - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    The whole country has a history. ever wonder why there is no google, facebook, twitter, uber etc. there cos its better to steal / copy and prop up your own commi companies.
  • s.yu - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    This unit also uses a curved display from BOE which utilized technology stolen from Samsung Display. Granted BOE didn't dirty their own hands stealing the technology, but I doubt that the company who did (a former Samsung supplier) would have done it without a firm commitment from a buyer.
  • Tams80 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    I wouldn't be surprised if they nabbed something from Samsung in creating this. They certainly nabbed the 'inspiration' to create such a device at this particular time, but of course, that's a crime, just cheesy.
  • jiangqiushi - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    NuCurrent, a company devoted to wireless charging technology, is suing Samsung for the alleged theft of NuCurrent’s intellectual property.
    This is not the first time Samsung has been sued for IP theft, nor is it the first time it’s allegedly stolen from much smaller companies.
    Samsung knows that its legal team will beat any other smaller company’s legal team in a court battle, so it doesn’t have much fear when it comes to IP theft.
  • jiangqiushi - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. was the first of a series of ongoing lawsuits between Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics regarding the design of smartphones and tablet computers; between them, the companies made more than half of smartphones sold worldwide as of July 2012.[1] In the spring of 2011, Apple began litigating against Samsung in patent infringement suits, while Apple and Motorola Mobility were already engaged in a patent war on several fronts.[2] Apple's multinational litigation over technology patents became known as part of the mobile device "smartphone patent wars": extensive litigation in fierce competition in the global market for consumer mobile communications.[3] By August 2011, Apple and Samsung were litigating 19 ongoing cases in nine countries; by October, the legal disputes expanded to ten countries.[4][5] By July 2012, the two companies were still embroiled in more than 50 lawsuits around the globe, with billions of dollars in damages claimed between them.[6] While Apple won a ruling in its favor in the U.S., Samsung won rulings in South Korea, Japan, and the UK. On June 4, 2013, Samsung won a limited ban from the U.S. International Trade Commission on sales of certain Apple products after the commission found Apple had violated a Samsung patent,[7] but this was vetoed by U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman.[8]
  • porcupineLTD - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Samsung also stole 28 and 16(14) nm from TSMC. The guys who were in charge of the 2 nodes at TSMC (different guys) left TSMC to work for Samsung and were later found guilty of corporate espionage and forced to leave Samsung. One of them is now the CEO of SMIC, the most advanced Chinese foundry that will start volume production of 14nm in a quarter or two.
  • porcupineLTD - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    All companies steal from one another, look at the patent wars: Apple, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Microsoft and others all sued each other until they decided it was not profitable, this time a state
    moved against a company on trumped up charges (the pointy robot and baseless accusations of possible FUTURE spying) and its forcing its allies to do the same (also notice how as trade talks progress all those that called foul on Huawei are backpedaling including Germany, UK, New Zealand)
  • tmanini - Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - link

    FYI, that 'state' you refer to as trumping up charges: wasn't the first, and isn't forcing the rest. Australia starts the block back in 2012.
    There is MUCH more to this than you lay out. There are some in-depth articles from business people who talk about the 'partnering' required to have a company in China... and the end results of those 'friendships'. That is part of what fuels the practical mistrust of a company so closely aligned with a State Government that doesn't allow privacy, and has Board members who were very highly ranked in the State Government.
  • levizx - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    So you smelt something fishy, yet you still believe the US propaganda.
  • jjj - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    BTW the design is not less practical , it is more practical. If you fold it the wrong way line Samsung, you add costs in terms of $ and mechanical volume, then you have the issue with the folding radius so you waste even more mechanical volume and it's less usable, you have to unfold it and then flip it - this is not a small thing, convenience is very important as we are super lazy.
    If you fold it like Samsung, you don't sell. You got to figure out cover material+ extra protection to make it work on the outside.What Samsung did is not an acceptable trade-off for high vols.
  • nerd1 - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    So both side is covered by soft, easy-to-scratch plastic? And it costs way more than $1980 galaxy fold? And it is made by huawei sunned by every western countries? Who will buy this?
  • porcupineLTD - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Huawei consumer products are shunned only in N America in Europe they are extremely popular on par with Apple and Samsung.
  • FunBunny2 - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    "in Europe they are extremely popular "

    so far. the times they are a changin. if even a hint of Trumpian paranoia (but none toward Vlad???) is confirmed, it's ovah.
  • porcupineLTD - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    If anyone is going to be the downfall of Huawei in Europe its going to be Xiaomi (funny how they are not a security threat). Also if you are talking about Putin, Russia has no smartphone company to speak of, and if there was a case that would make you wonder about Russian products its when Kaspersky was banned in the USA after finding the NSAs malware and alerting users...
  • SpartanJet - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Good for Europe enjoy. America was weary about Huawei long before that dotard Dump was elected by the way for good reason.
  • levizx - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Only gullible people like you would believe the US propaganda. They are poised to be the 2nd largest mobile phone vendor this year, and has a shot of surpassing Samsung in 2020/2021.
  • Manch - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    The EU is investigating Huawei, and Germany is looking to exclude Huawei from 5G rollout because of their shady practices, IP theft, and inability to meet security requirements for the rollout. It's not US propaganda, it's Huawei being a state sponsored thief.
  • Yajmir - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Germany and other Europeans are nothing but American poodles. So, nothing out of the extraordinary.
  • Tams80 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Oh, so they should just let a company with very close links to an authoritarian state do as they please?

    Do bugger off, shill.
  • shabby - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Wow much nicer design than samsungs, the galaxy fold almost looks like a prototype compared to this.
  • Tams80 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    It looks fantastic, but also highly impractical. Having the entire display exposed is just going to get it damaged, and when folded the display is huge. You already have an unfolded display for a large display, why have such a large folded display?

    I think Samsung's choice of a smaller, single-handable second display is a much better choice.
  • name99 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    OK, how much do people care about the “coolness” of seamless display? Would you be happy with a design (Samsung or Huawei style) which had two GLASS panels that lined up against each other when the device is unfolded, but which display a slightly visible seam?

    I suspect that the coolness of “look ma, no seam” has overwhelmed practicality and lifespan; and that the eventual winners in this space (eg if Apple ships such a phone) will have a small (but not invisible) seam. And will be mocked by the early adopters of these current two devices, but will be both cheaper and may more practical all things considered.
  • Quantumz0d - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Liked how the device has non rounded corners, makes it natural looking and the notch-less display is good. Samsung has UFS 3.0 chipset in their Fold, but failed to include an SD slot while this company included their own bulshit proprietary slot. I feel sad that 3.5mm jack and SD slot both are going away...hope they stay, need another player LG maybe !?

    About the panel, is it from LG ? The way they mentioned the flat fold is solid from the looks perspective this looks way ahead of Samsung. However the damn price is insane for this and the mention of the "falcon hinge" weak point makes it worse, due to the outward fold, I think both Galaxy Fold and this will be horribly proned to scratches this is worse in both, Maybe we will see some gorilla glass folds lol.

    Still I think they should be recognized instead of some stupid clone, I never liked their departure from their Metal Mate series to notched and Samsung/iPhone cloned Mate 20 Pro but this looks original and Interesting from camera setup to the execution.
  • Mikewind Dale - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    I'm on Team Samsung here. Not only does the Huawei screen face outward, but the fact that the screen curves means you are limited in terms of what kinds of screen protectors you can install.

    With the Samsung, you should be able to put a screen protector on the outside screen, while letting the inside screen be protected by being folded closed.
  • StormyParis - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    I get what you're saying. But when I watched both unveilings, the Samsung came off as ugly and half-baked (that disjointed wedge ! that piddly external screen !), while Huawei's... I want it. But indeed the design might not be very durable.

    I'm mostly curious what those 4:3 - 1:1 screen ratios are good for. Not media consumption (books, vids), not messaging ... maybe maps and games ? Even multitasking doesn't work very well ?
  • mkozakewich - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Well, I'd like to look at images without having to flip around a bunch, especially since I keep the autorotate off. If it supports side-by-side multiapp, that means you can run two full-sized apps at once instead of having squished heights. For anything not constrained by aspect ratio, like maps or some web pages, content is just more visible.
    I usually zoom in to read web pages easily, and Opera reflows text to fit the screen, but most screens are narrow enough that bullet points trail off the side or images jump around a little. This would keep everything in line even if I zoom in a little.
  • Manch - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Letter, A4 and Legal when showing two in a book style aren't far off from 4:3 You could have a side by side view of two pages while having plenty of room for header, tool buttons etc. From a productivity stand point its a great format. Also TVs used to be 4:3 and the res of the panel means you could have a nice 16:9 image with black bars that would look just fine.
  • s.yu - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    I agree. The main problem with the Samsung is that the small screen has rather thick bezels, but overall it's the more functional solution at this point.
  • jjj - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    They have some extra specs listed now https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/mate-x/specs...
  • cfenton - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link

    Have they explained how apps are going to deal with these screens? Android tablet support has been terrible, and there will be far fewer of these foldable phones for the near future. I'm sure the Huawei bloatware will work fine, and maybe even stuff from major developers (eventually), but what about everything else?
  • s.yu - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    HMD's pentacam seems much more promising, 12 stops DR, RAW oriented features, competitive price.
  • Midwayman - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    So many concerns. Screen on the outside- how is that not going to get beat to hell? You'll have to use flexible screen protectors and a sleeve seems like the only case that would work. Still super concerned about how that hinge area is going to hold up. At this point I'd rather live with a seam and rigid screens if I really wanted a folding phone I think.
  • Roy2002 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Perfect storm over the Samsung Fold.
  • imaheadcase - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    I see nothing practical about a folding phone. Its not improving a device so much as making it easier to break the screen in more ways. A person would just look silly using one for any task as well.
  • peevee - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Throw out the 5G BS (or at least the most useless "mmWave" part), make it cheaper as a result, make sure it is fully T-mobile compatible (actually useful 700 and 600MHz bands) and I will buy.
  • nonosam - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Wow! Huawei has a unique design here. It is simply a state of the art design, with incredible 5G speeds. can't wait to see how it pits against the Galaxy Fold
  • Jboy1450 - Monday, February 25, 2019 - link

    Someone here said it already; this tech is the next step in the evolution of the smart phone. To say it is impractical is embarrassingly shortsighted. Sure, these first gen devices need some work, and are very expensive, but they're just the start.

    They solve a simple, annoying, common problem; having to carry 2 devices. Who wouldn't want a single compact device that can serve two purposes? It's that simple. As for which is better, for now, I'm leaning towards the Samsung for better overall design. Looks is one thing, but usability and durability are others. Even folded, the Mate X is huge which could make it less comfortable as a phone. And seeing that crease in the middle of the screen during the demo created some doubt as to its long term durability.

    Can't wait to see what the future holds!
  • An_Roid - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link

    What is the screen going to look like after it has thousands of scratches on it? Unless they use a sapphire screen I won't touch it.
  • albert89 - Tuesday, March 19, 2019 - link

    Huawei full of Chinese hardware and software spyware ?
    No thanks. Any body except communist China can spy on me.

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