+1 on the first comment. Audi/VW moving away from Tegra could mean several things. Has Nvidia decided to vacate this market and stopped development completely, or did Samsung make Audi an offer they couldn't refuse (and I mean price-wise, not Godfather). I thought Nvidia is investing heavily in autonomous driving, so loosing this foothold with a major car maker is not a wise strategy, unless they already made new alliances. For Samsung, this is a significant win: even if they don't make much or any money on the current deal, they now have a working relationship with a major car company. Those relationships and collaborations with the other side's engineering and development teams can be worth gold.
Nah, I think that Nvidia just stopped developing infotainment (and this part is solely infotainment like tegra 3 before) stuff but they are still strong in assisted driving.
Developing 10/8/7 nm chips costs a lot and I doubt that auto customers are enough to finance that. I am pretty sure Samsung doesn't need to care that much as it's their own fab plus they have other use cases for the dies like high-end TVs or tablets if needed.
Qcom is selling their 8xx Snapdragons also as certified car infotainment chips so I guess NV just had too much competition with usage other than just automotive infotainment and they got out of that business.
Nvidia kinda left Tegra out of the lime light. The company seems much less focused on this now, but they might be able to surprise everybody with a project kept undre wraps.
Seeing competition going down is never a good thing.
I wonder if Tesla is going to announce its hardware platform based on AMD Zen ...
This is the "in-vehicle" infotainment system. The external "infotainment" is the standard of the driving of Audis which serves to inform you that the driver is an uncompromising cock whilst also entertaining you as they cut up and tailgate everyone in their path on their inevitable path to a high-speed crash / a ticket.
No, I'm not being serious. But yes the driving of Audis is usually awful.
@Anton: And, on another aspect and potential bombshell: Samsung uses ARM's A76 cores, not their own in-house Mongoose design? Wow! Did they see the error of their ways, nicely outlined in the deep dive by Andrei a few months ago? Unless the automotive and the mobile divisions of Samsung don't talk much among them, this might signal a sea change. Please follow up!
It's possible that this SoC will have Cortex-A76AE cores and Samsung has no plans to validate their Mongoose cores with ASIL-B+ for cars. So they just license the stock design from ARM, add a few blocks of their own and fab the SoC themselves.
What bombshell? Samsung use cheaper readily-validated cores where single core performance is not that important power consumption is not very important and even Octa-A76 can run at full speed. Makes absolute sense.
"[J]ust to put it into context: Tesla's AutoPilot 2.0 only uses one camera for autopilot right now" Included in the above link are screenshots from Tesla's configuration tool. Original Autopilot had 1 camera, whereas Autopilot 2.0 (or Enhanced Autopilot) has 4 cameras in addition to ultrasound. Tesla's can go up to 8 cameras (which are enabled by a software update). Currently Autopilot 2.1 / 2.5 appears to simply be more compute power, and not more sensors.
Yeah, I've no idea what that "one camera on Tesla" claim is supposed to represent or in what manner it is "technically" accurate.
Here's what Tesla actually says: "Eight surround cameras provide 360 degrees of visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. " (plus 12 ultrasonic sensors and forward radar)
"(just to put it into context: Tesla's AutoPilot 2.0 only uses one camera for autopilot right now)" .. No, Tesla uses 8 cameras for Enhanced Autopilot.
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brakdoo - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
No comment on Audi stepping away from Nvidia Tegra?eastcoast_pete - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
+1 on the first comment. Audi/VW moving away from Tegra could mean several things. Has Nvidia decided to vacate this market and stopped development completely, or did Samsung make Audi an offer they couldn't refuse (and I mean price-wise, not Godfather). I thought Nvidia is investing heavily in autonomous driving, so loosing this foothold with a major car maker is not a wise strategy, unless they already made new alliances. For Samsung, this is a significant win: even if they don't make much or any money on the current deal, they now have a working relationship with a major car company. Those relationships and collaborations with the other side's engineering and development teams can be worth gold.brakdoo - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Nah, I think that Nvidia just stopped developing infotainment (and this part is solely infotainment like tegra 3 before) stuff but they are still strong in assisted driving.Developing 10/8/7 nm chips costs a lot and I doubt that auto customers are enough to finance that. I am pretty sure Samsung doesn't need to care that much as it's their own fab plus they have other use cases for the dies like high-end TVs or tablets if needed.
brakdoo - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Qcom is selling their 8xx Snapdragons also as certified car infotainment chips so I guess NV just had too much competition with usage other than just automotive infotainment and they got out of that business.IGTrading - Friday, January 4, 2019 - link
Nvidia kinda left Tegra out of the lime light. The company seems much less focused on this now, but they might be able to surprise everybody with a project kept undre wraps.Seeing competition going down is never a good thing.
I wonder if Tesla is going to announce its hardware platform based on AMD Zen ...
philehidiot - Saturday, January 5, 2019 - link
This is the "in-vehicle" infotainment system. The external "infotainment" is the standard of the driving of Audis which serves to inform you that the driver is an uncompromising cock whilst also entertaining you as they cut up and tailgate everyone in their path on their inevitable path to a high-speed crash / a ticket.No, I'm not being serious. But yes the driving of Audis is usually awful.
eastcoast_pete - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
@Anton: And, on another aspect and potential bombshell: Samsung uses ARM's A76 cores, not their own in-house Mongoose design? Wow! Did they see the error of their ways, nicely outlined in the deep dive by Andrei a few months ago? Unless the automotive and the mobile divisions of Samsung don't talk much among them, this might signal a sea change. Please follow up!Santoval - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
It's possible that this SoC will have Cortex-A76AE cores and Samsung has no plans to validate their Mongoose cores with ASIL-B+ for cars. So they just license the stock design from ARM, add a few blocks of their own and fab the SoC themselves.saratoga4 - Friday, January 4, 2019 - link
>And, on another aspect and potential bombshell: Samsung uses ARM's A76 cores, not their own in-house Mongoose design?Not at all surprising. It would have been more expensive to integrate their custom cores, and for infotainment there is no reason to do that.
levizx - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
What bombshell? Samsung use cheaper readily-validated cores where single core performance is not that important power consumption is not very important and even Octa-A76 can run at full speed. Makes absolute sense.Robert Pankiw - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
"[J]ust to put it into context: Tesla's AutoPilot 2.0 only uses one camera for autopilot right now"Included in the above link are screenshots from Tesla's configuration tool. Original Autopilot had 1 camera, whereas Autopilot 2.0 (or Enhanced Autopilot) has 4 cameras in addition to ultrasound. Tesla's can go up to 8 cameras (which are enabled by a software update).
Currently Autopilot 2.1 / 2.5 appears to simply be more compute power, and not more sensors.
Robert Pankiw - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Spam filter prevented my link from being included.It was electrek co/2016/10/19/ tesla-fully-autonomous-self-driving-car/
name99 - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Yeah, I've no idea what that "one camera on Tesla" claim is supposed to represent or in what manner it is "technically" accurate.Here's what Tesla actually says:
"Eight surround cameras provide 360 degrees of visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. " (plus 12 ultrasonic sensors and forward radar)
https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
firewolfsm - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Correction w/r/t Tesla: They do in fact use all the cameras at this point, not just one.mode_13h - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Man, 8-core is so passe. These days, the automotive sector is all about turbo-boosting smaller 6-core engines... er, I mean chips.mode_13h - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link
Anyway, with 8 cores and 3 GPUs, it'd better have its own radiator. Especially when the kids start crytpomining on the RSE GPU.danwat1234 - Tuesday, January 8, 2019 - link
"(just to put it into context: Tesla's AutoPilot 2.0 only uses one camera for autopilot right now)" .. No, Tesla uses 8 cameras for Enhanced Autopilot.