I guess it will be heavily binned 8180 at 300W TDP if not even higher. In my opinion, 2066 makes slightly more sense. First, there is competitive reason: AMD's TR is a big shadow over 2066 stuff with 6C and 8C Intel desktop CPUs destroying value of LCC further - Intel might have to drop LCC and focus on HCC + XCC only to show some value in 2066 platform. What better way to start selling the stuff than with a halo part? Second, 2066 platform is more OC friendly and in domain of enthusiasts, which this chip seems to be aimed at. Finally, limited to 1P suggests disabling of QPI, so disabling another 2 memory channels and some PCIe is a reasonable extra step to lower TDP further.
Not really, AMD's chips top out at 3.4 GHz. This is a 5 GHz 28 core part. It will be significantly faster than even AMD's 32 core part in pretty much all tasks, even benchmarks like Cinebench.
This is NOT a 5GHz core part. This is an extremely highly overclocked binned exotic cooling franken-chip. Considering the 18 core chips draws over 300w @ 4.6GHz and this is exactly the same architecture and process I'm willing to bet this draws in excess of 600w which is absolutely mad. Intel have made it seem like this is possible on every chip but in all likelihood this chip is running at over 1.5v
Exactly, intel pulled a fast one on so many people with this stunt. Now, it will come back to haunt them. We are already hearing from sources that intel admitted this was an extremely unnecessarily over-clocked chip for the event.
OMG where did you get the idea this chip when released will run anywhere near 5 Ghz? Take a look at the cooling used on that and the fact that the cooler uses a 1HP 230v motor to drive the chiller.
No, you will be very disappointed not just in performance but the obscene cost of it when this is finally released.
They can't invest in a die that is HEDT only as that's very low volume so any solution needs to be using silicon that addresses more markets. Unlikely they go EMIB in server with 14nm and just 28 cores. And did they indicate that this is sold as 5GHz all cores turbo and it's not an OC? In any case, at Intel prices it's not of any relevance as it will likely be 10k$ or double that.
HEDT is more about marketing than high volume products. It is about winning at all costs. This helps sell products at the lower end of the product stack because you hold the performance crown.
Though if they want to sell this as a consumer chip, it won't be for $10,000. Even for a server part, that price is asking a lot.
Okay, where's the LN2 pot? It can't be running in that case next to the monitor. Even if they'd fit a beefy custom WC loop in there, I don't think it'd be able to handle the instantaneous load of 28 cores @ 5GHz, not on a single die. Unless they've bamboozled everyone and that thing is built on a particularly spectacular version of their 10nm process that makes 14++ look like a bad joke....
Single magical 28 core die, EMIB + two 14 core dies or not, what kind of ridiculously overengineered VRM did that motherboard have to handle that load?
They could always load up slowly, the reverse of the current turbo system where it peaks quickly then drops off, have the 28 core ramp to the halfway point slowly then clock up as possible.
Honestly, they're probably going to have to start doing that as the chips get bigger. We have to do that in the real world with various electric motors, combustion engines, etc...
They can engineer the power delivery to handle the burst load but the sudden increase in heat will be an issue...
That's a lot of amps with a small surface area to cool it with.
As far as I seen, EMIB is not used for Two 14 cores. Intel has a Xeon with 28 cores already, if it had two cores it would likely be 2 28 cores instead. But it is likely 28 Core plus a graphics core - possibly even something totally new
As far as it being 28 cores at 5Ghz - it looks like from images that it is. EMIB likely been enhanced to handle power reduction to handle. Time will tell what other area will be used - but likely some kind of graphics and graphic's memory like XPS 15 2in1 I am typing this on.
Paul's Hardware had a video in which he showed that they were using a chiller below the desk. That would seem to indicate that there's no way this thing can achieve a 5 Ghz all-core clock on air or liquid cooling, given that it's probably a cannibalized xeon platinum/skylake x.
It's not a big problem to RUN all cores at 5 GHz. Hey, it was possible back in 2011! The only problem is to take off all the heat, which may be around 500 Watt. It may be possible with scalping and high-end water cooling. But i guess that this CPU will be for hard-core enthusiasts and costs in 5-10K range.
In the first screenshot Cinebench reads 2.7 GHz. So some variant of the 8180?
What will be the power consumption be like for 28 cores at 5 GHz. A 7900X when pushed to the limit under P95 approaches 500W, I'd imagine that this thing will easily approach 1.2-1.5 KW. That's more than what extreme over lockers push on GPUs under LN2.
"In the first screenshot Cinebench reads 2.7 GHz. So some variant of the 8180?"
Look closer at images - this Cinebench benchmark at the 2.7Ghz is not this CPU - but like other benchmarks - those comparison systems and not actual testing system
At the very top, Cinebench identifies cores X GHz as 28 cores 56 threads @ 2.7 GHz. The orange bars represent Cinebench runs on the same system. The lower orange bar has the same CPU identifier, "GenuineIntel 0000" and scores ~5900 points. The Asus ROG motherboard showed separately has a bios splash screen with the text 'score over 6000 in CB".
All this points to the likelihood of this CPU being a variant of the 8180 and overclocked heavily with just enough cooling to do a Cinebench run before it thermal throttles, and thus is not a CPU that is designed to run 28 cores at 5GHz out-of-the-box.
The 5GHz is for overclockers, and it'll probably use 500W. It'll ship at 300W and around 4GHz all-core Turbo as a SKU.
It's a stunt, a really expensive halo SKU to try and cover up their 10nm failings and the fact that they're stuck on the Skylake core for another cycle or even two.
At 5GHz (all cores) it's consuming more than just 500W, way more. Just pick up any 7980xe review & see the power consumption with OC, none of them reach 5GHz btw.
With TR 1950x getting around 3K in cinebench at 3.4 Ghz, Yeah, I guess a 24 Cores running @ 5Ghz sounds about right. The problem is, it's already hard to cool a 16 core 1950x. You will never cool it down running on air. Has to be liquid. Esp, if you wanted to run that 24/7 full load at those speeds. The numbers are impressive. I just find it a little funny that the only reason Intel is jumping is because of AMD. I suspect the CPU will come in at well over 2K dollars, and a custom MB will be needed for that. That is, if they can bring it to market before AMD comes out with something more impressive. If anything, this is bringing back competition that makes for exciting times in the CPU world.
"The problem is, it's already hard to cool a 16 core 1950x. You will never cool it down running on air. Has to be liquid." I find your statements very strange. I am running a 1950x at 4.125GHz on air without any problems. Under render loads I see around 60C once temperatures level out. My room temperature is around 75-80C Depending upon the time of day. TR2 is going to be improved. I also would note I see around 3400-3600 on Cinebench R15.038_RC184115. Knowing how well AMD scales with infinity fabric the new TR2 chips with double the core count and the same improvements seen similar to the 2700x we should see around 7,000+ on Cinebench. Most likely near 8,000 or more on Over-Clocked Chips. If AMD releases the new flagship high end model at 1,000 USD they will bury intel's parts in sales.
I'm not sure how much binning is necessary. The cores themselves are engineered to go past 4 Ghz. That catch on the 28 core server parts is that Intel wants to maintain a 205W TDP max which limits both clock speeds and voltages at that core count. Uncapping that power consumption opens up a lot of headroom given good cooling.
Intel will have to state soon that this was clearly done specifically only for the event. Realistically people do not have a problem with the core count but with the Clocks and the deceptive nature of the event done this way.
Hopefully it's EMIB. Although with the cooling solutions in place, it could be a binned 8180. Another thing..Why does CB show RX 570 as graphics adapter?
It's not AMD that can't get past 4.3GHz its the process that's created by GLoFo, but this is going to change with Zen2 with GLoFO having a better process than intel's current 14nm.
WCCFTech is reporting that the unidentified mobo in Intels demo of this a few hours ago appears to be LGA3647 based on showing 12 dram sockets and the cooler being rectangular like in LGA3647 Xeon's instead of squarish in LGA2066.
WCCFTech is joke and full of AMD Bios people - if you don't believe it look at comment sections and especially the picture. Also they are showing a dual CPU motherboard and not a desktop processor.
I believe that you are wrong about EMIB - it has a lot of potential - not only this XPS 15 2in1 that I am typing this on - but also with high end engineer chips like FPGA's where I believe the technology came from. The key is also that HDM2 memory can also be kept on same EMIB and it can used different technologies on the EMIB.
It won't run at 5 GHz normally. This is on a server platform, the LGA 3647 and pictures have been taken to show it uses a compressor or some other kind of exotic cooling. Intel being their shady selves, just like ever.
I find it virtually impossible to believe that Intel will be able to make a 28 core CPU run at 5GHz on all cores within 6 months, they can't even do that with 6 cores today. And if it was being cooled by liquid nitrogen this would be exceptionally misleading. I see only 4 explanations for this announcement:
1) It is a misunderstanding or vapourware, maybe he meant by the end of the decade which I still wouldn't believe.
2) They use a totally different type of core which isn't very complex but can clock quite high, kind of like Larrabee.
3) The TDP is like 1000 Watts and you need specialist high flow water cooling system to run it which comes pre-bonded direct to the die.
4) Intel has been sandbagging us that 10nm wasn't working properly and it's actually a magical node they defies the known laws of thermodynamics.
My money is on this being vapourware and is just Intel trying to get people's attention in the hope if they are waiting for this to come out then they are not buying AMD CPUs.
Intel could have 10nm coming out - I am pretty sure that they are planning something big with 10nm - I don't believe this is vaporware, since it actually came from Intel demonstration. If it came from site like WCCFtech or such - or in comments sections, I could believe it is vaporware - but not from real company like Intel.
It was very obvious that this was an OC demo - it was housed in a case with some sort of sub-zero cooling, with insulated hoses coming out of the rear. Definitely not shipping st 5GHz all-core. Given the kind of power draw an 18-core i9 has at those frequencies, we're probably talking 7-800W CPU power alone.
Just remember that Intel has been working with Dell to create high performance in extremely thin and low power laptop like XPS 15 2in1. Just imagine what they can do with desktop that is literary 10 times the size of this laptop or more.
That doesn't add up. The key point here is thermal density, and while the die size of of a HCC Xeon is significantly bigger than, say, a 6-core CFL, the package size and thus the thermal interface isn't _that_ much bigger. All the while, the power draw and heat output is 3-4-5x. Also, remember that laptops use direct-die cooling, with thin heatspreaders and heat pipes or vapor chambers directly contacting the die. No IHS there, which makes cooling significantly easier.
Then there's the concentration of hot spots. A 6-core CFL pulls around 160-200W at 5-5.1GHz. Subtracting 10W for the uncore, that's 25-31W per core. The cores are located within a few mm from each other. The 8700K has six of them, and requires a 360mm AIO or similar to stay reasonably cool simply due to the immense concentration of heat. For comparison, a 250W GPU stays reasonably cool with a 120mm AIO due to direct die contact and fewer hot spots/more spread-out heat generation. The issue with CPUs isn't the size of the AIO, but rather getting the heat from the cores to the water (and then the radiator) efficiently. Given that the cores on HCC dice are still grouped very close, the bigger IHS doesn't really help much, so you're effectively asking to dissipate 4-5x the heat through 2-3x the area. In other words: cooling this is even more difficult.
Conclusion: you'll need exotic cooling for this, simply to have sufficient thermal transfer in a small enough area to keep from thermal throttling.
I seriously doubt they'll be able to make Q4 this year. I'd say likely Q2 next year at the earliest. Their track record for being on time has been very poor for the last decade.
Reason they are not showing much information on spec is they want to buy time. Time is money for every companies and amd threadripper 2 will be releasing soon. In order to stop customers buying amd they hype this. This will give a hugh disappointment T the end just like 10nm. Intel business has been poor market perception and decepting customers. However im surprise big partners and customer still buying their cpu for gaming
You can bet your money that many enthusiasts sites will not benchmark games and such with anything less than one of these 5 GHz parts, as soon as they're available — regardless of how much they cost to the consumer.
This is not usual 14nm for sure. I expect ice lake 10nm+ version of it will have the same greatness with additional AVX 512 which can mean twice faster in the workloads it is made for: Content creation. It makes GPUs seem some jokes. I believe intel is aiming to let coders switch from CUDA to Intel x86 again.. GPGPU is not best way to do that in fact...
Ian Did you really believed this BS of a 28 cores Skylake X Xeon overclocked to 5 Ghz on a normal cooler a reality I AM sorely disappointed, how much do you think this thing is pulling 600 W, 700 W? How do you think they are cooling that? Come on Ian.
Insane isn't it. Lost even more respect for this site. If these people actually think this could have been possible then it says a lot about the credibility of their articles.
This headline and Intel's PR is complete nonsense. Basic math on how a 7980XE behaves proves there's no way such a thing could function with normal ambient-based cooling. GN summed it up nicely:
I disagree. It was an overclocked engineering sample of a existing CPU. If that was not the case then why they would need a motherboard with more than 30 phases + giant HS and a freaking 1700W capable water chiller. Cmon !
I have a feeling this is already starting to haunt intel. This sort of marketing at the expense of logic is just ignorant. This is clearly a sad and pathetic attempt. Never make claims up-front that will never hold out in the future. This chip will never ship at 5GHz on all cores out of the box nor is it logical to try to persuade the public that it is attainable by most standards. There is no wonder that ThreadRipper parts are flying off the shelves over intel. This CPU will launch around 2,500 - 3,000 USD or more possibly. Who is this marketted to? Why would anyone choose this over an established Xeon or purchase the competition that is superior in core count and efficiency.
Shame on AT for posting this obviously false story. The author should be fired. Can't believe you actually thought this even might be possible. This is something i'd expect from Gawker/Engadget and other "tech" site shit. Absolute disgrace.
In my opinion, Ian is one of the most talented tech journalists out there. It's Intel that should be blamed for giving everyone false hopes by "forgetting" to mention the OC.
Why no correction on this article title ? the facts and admission from intel already state theres no 28 core with 5ghz in Q4 , then why Anandtech perisit in keeping the false title up ? AT said they are free to post article without pressure from Intel , ok then why keep this obviously false title up ? either you have no credibility as tech journalist , or you just incompetent as a journalist if you persist on the title..
and no, small print updates inside the article dont wash out the obvious fake title
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Zizy - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I guess it will be heavily binned 8180 at 300W TDP if not even higher. In my opinion, 2066 makes slightly more sense. First, there is competitive reason: AMD's TR is a big shadow over 2066 stuff with 6C and 8C Intel desktop CPUs destroying value of LCC further - Intel might have to drop LCC and focus on HCC + XCC only to show some value in 2066 platform. What better way to start selling the stuff than with a halo part?Second, 2066 platform is more OC friendly and in domain of enthusiasts, which this chip seems to be aimed at.
Finally, limited to 1P suggests disabling of QPI, so disabling another 2 memory channels and some PCIe is a reasonable extra step to lower TDP further.
The Benjamins - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
AMD just destroyed a 7890xe with the 24c TR 2000, and TR 2000 will have up to 32c. RIPeek2121 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Not really, AMD's chips top out at 3.4 GHz. This is a 5 GHz 28 core part. It will be significantly faster than even AMD's 32 core part in pretty much all tasks, even benchmarks like Cinebench.Trefonix - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
This is NOT a 5GHz core part. This is an extremely highly overclocked binned exotic cooling franken-chip. Considering the 18 core chips draws over 300w @ 4.6GHz and this is exactly the same architecture and process I'm willing to bet this draws in excess of 600w which is absolutely mad. Intel have made it seem like this is possible on every chip but in all likelihood this chip is running at over 1.5vChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Exactly, intel pulled a fast one on so many people with this stunt. Now, it will come back to haunt them. We are already hearing from sources that intel admitted this was an extremely unnecessarily over-clocked chip for the event.close - Sunday, June 10, 2018 - link
In this picture you can obviously see that the CPU is 2.7GHz:https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12893/image591.j...
But Ian still feels like mentioning "assuming the 5.0 GHz value was not an overclock". Amateur hour.
cyberguyz - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
OMG where did you get the idea this chip when released will run anywhere near 5 Ghz? Take a look at the cooling used on that and the fact that the cooler uses a 1HP 230v motor to drive the chiller.No, you will be very disappointed not just in performance but the obscene cost of it when this is finally released.
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
"AMD's chips top out at 3.4 GHz." Where are you getting this information from? MY 1950x runs 4.125Ghz on all cores on Air.Lolimaster - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
I can imagine the name for the 32core monstro.2950X++
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Just call it ThreadKiller9000Lolimaster - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
TR2 32core TDP is 250wAn 18core Skylake-X at 5Ghz draws well over 600w :D
cyberguyz - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
And that does not count the stupidly huge power draw of the cooler.systemBuilder33 - Sunday, August 19, 2018 - link
Try 1500w, not 300w !!jjj - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
They can't invest in a die that is HEDT only as that's very low volume so any solution needs to be using silicon that addresses more markets.Unlikely they go EMIB in server with 14nm and just 28 cores.
And did they indicate that this is sold as 5GHz all cores turbo and it's not an OC?
In any case, at Intel prices it's not of any relevance as it will likely be 10k$ or double that.
Gahl1k - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
4GHz base clock, 5GHz turbo, yes, they indicated this.svan1971 - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
fanboy do you want to stand by that comment? Take another sip of your LN2 cooled kool-aid first.cyberguyz - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Where? Look at the damn cooler on that demo and how fast they shut things down when AMD announced their 32-core Threadripper LOLChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Not to mention the Threadripper chip was running on air.Kevin G - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
HEDT is more about marketing than high volume products. It is about winning at all costs. This helps sell products at the lower end of the product stack because you hold the performance crown.Though if they want to sell this as a consumer chip, it won't be for $10,000. Even for a server part, that price is asking a lot.
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
This chip would be lucky to run even close to 5GHz in a traditional manor. It just is not going to happen..vodka - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Okay, where's the LN2 pot? It can't be running in that case next to the monitor. Even if they'd fit a beefy custom WC loop in there, I don't think it'd be able to handle the instantaneous load of 28 cores @ 5GHz, not on a single die. Unless they've bamboozled everyone and that thing is built on a particularly spectacular version of their 10nm process that makes 14++ look like a bad joke....Single magical 28 core die, EMIB + two 14 core dies or not, what kind of ridiculously overengineered VRM did that motherboard have to handle that load?
So many questions.
haukionkannel - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
It could be using compressor. They can go quite low temperatures and Also cost a fortuneteller by themselves.https://www.alphacool.com/detail/index/sArticle/21...
http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/ld-pc-v2/191-ld-pc-v...
0ldman79 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
They could always load up slowly, the reverse of the current turbo system where it peaks quickly then drops off, have the 28 core ramp to the halfway point slowly then clock up as possible.Honestly, they're probably going to have to start doing that as the chips get bigger. We have to do that in the real world with various electric motors, combustion engines, etc...
They can engineer the power delivery to handle the burst load but the sudden increase in heat will be an issue...
That's a lot of amps with a small surface area to cool it with.
0ldman79 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I meant to say hit the halfway clock speed quickly then ramp up slowly.Can't edit these, can we?
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
"Single magical 28 core die, EMIB + two 14 core dies"As far as I seen, EMIB is not used for Two 14 cores. Intel has a Xeon with 28 cores already, if it had two cores it would likely be 2 28 cores instead. But it is likely 28 Core plus a graphics core - possibly even something totally new
As far as it being 28 cores at 5Ghz - it looks like from images that it is. EMIB likely been enhanced to handle power reduction to handle. Time will tell what other area will be used - but likely some kind of graphics and graphic's memory like XPS 15 2in1 I am typing this on.
KingOftoasty - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Paul's Hardware had a video in which he showed that they were using a chiller below the desk. That would seem to indicate that there's no way this thing can achieve a 5 Ghz all-core clock on air or liquid cooling, given that it's probably a cannibalized xeon platinum/skylake x.Lolimaster - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
They were using a chiller for -10°C, intel made an embarrassment at their own show.Bulat Ziganshin - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
It's not a big problem to RUN all cores at 5 GHz. Hey, it was possible back in 2011! The only problem is to take off all the heat, which may be around 500 Watt. It may be possible with scalping and high-end water cooling. But i guess that this CPU will be for hard-core enthusiasts and costs in 5-10K range.Tamz_msc - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
In the first screenshot Cinebench reads 2.7 GHz. So some variant of the 8180?What will be the power consumption be like for 28 cores at 5 GHz. A 7900X when pushed to the limit under P95 approaches 500W, I'd imagine that this thing will easily approach 1.2-1.5 KW. That's more than what extreme over lockers push on GPUs under LN2.
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
"In the first screenshot Cinebench reads 2.7 GHz. So some variant of the 8180?"Look closer at images - this Cinebench benchmark at the 2.7Ghz is not this CPU - but like other benchmarks - those comparison systems and not actual testing system
Tamz_msc - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
At the very top, Cinebench identifies cores X GHz as 28 cores 56 threads @ 2.7 GHz. The orange bars represent Cinebench runs on the same system. The lower orange bar has the same CPU identifier, "GenuineIntel 0000" and scores ~5900 points. The Asus ROG motherboard showed separately has a bios splash screen with the text 'score over 6000 in CB".All this points to the likelihood of this CPU being a variant of the 8180 and overclocked heavily with just enough cooling to do a Cinebench run before it thermal throttles, and thus is not a CPU that is designed to run 28 cores at 5GHz out-of-the-box.
AbRASiON - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
This thing is astronomical, I'd be amazed it would work even with very high end water cooling.psychobriggsy - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
The 5GHz is for overclockers, and it'll probably use 500W.It'll ship at 300W and around 4GHz all-core Turbo as a SKU.
It's a stunt, a really expensive halo SKU to try and cover up their 10nm failings and the fact that they're stuck on the Skylake core for another cycle or even two.
R0H1T - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
At 5GHz (all cores) it's consuming more than just 500W, way more. Just pick up any 7980xe review & see the power consumption with OC, none of them reach 5GHz btw.systemBuilder33 - Sunday, August 19, 2018 - link
They used a 1500w power supply.I imagine the CPU was using 1200w.
MCX151 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
With TR 1950x getting around 3K in cinebench at 3.4 Ghz, Yeah, I guess a 24 Cores running @ 5Ghz sounds about right. The problem is, it's already hard to cool a 16 core 1950x. You will never cool it down running on air. Has to be liquid. Esp, if you wanted to run that 24/7 full load at those speeds. The numbers are impressive. I just find it a little funny that the only reason Intel is jumping is because of AMD. I suspect the CPU will come in at well over 2K dollars, and a custom MB will be needed for that. That is, if they can bring it to market before AMD comes out with something more impressive. If anything, this is bringing back competition that makes for exciting times in the CPU world.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
"The problem is, it's already hard to cool a 16 core 1950x. You will never cool it down running on air. Has to be liquid." I find your statements very strange. I am running a 1950x at 4.125GHz on air without any problems. Under render loads I see around 60C once temperatures level out. My room temperature is around 75-80C Depending upon the time of day. TR2 is going to be improved. I also would note I see around 3400-3600 on Cinebench R15.038_RC184115. Knowing how well AMD scales with infinity fabric the new TR2 chips with double the core count and the same improvements seen similar to the 2700x we should see around 7,000+ on Cinebench. Most likely near 8,000 or more on Over-Clocked Chips. If AMD releases the new flagship high end model at 1,000 USD they will bury intel's parts in sales.kgardas - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Very nice attempt Intel. I guess this is future processor in MacPro?ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
This will not make it into a refresh of the MacPro.Kevin G - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
The choice between QPI and EMIB doesn't make any sense as QPI is Intel's coherent interconnect and EMIB is a multidie packaging technique.It would make more sense as questions 1a of QPI or mesh interconnect 1b EMIB, interposer or wirebonding.
casperes1996 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Who wrote the "FWIW I disagree with Ian" part?Luckz - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Ryan?Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Yes.Kevin G - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I'm not sure how much binning is necessary. The cores themselves are engineered to go past 4 Ghz. That catch on the 28 core server parts is that Intel wants to maintain a 205W TDP max which limits both clock speeds and voltages at that core count. Uncapping that power consumption opens up a lot of headroom given good cooling.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Intel will have to state soon that this was clearly done specifically only for the event. Realistically people do not have a problem with the core count but with the Clocks and the deceptive nature of the event done this way.Dr. Swag - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
RIP vrmsAfroman94 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Hopefully it's EMIB. Although with the cooling solutions in place, it could be a binned 8180.Another thing..Why does CB show RX 570 as graphics adapter?
realistz - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
28 cores 5GHz and AMD can’t get out of 4.3GHz with one core lolpasser - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
It's not AMD that can't get past 4.3GHz its the process that's created by GLoFo, but this is going to change with Zen2 with GLoFO having a better process than intel's current 14nm.DanNeely - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
WCCFTech is reporting that the unidentified mobo in Intels demo of this a few hours ago appears to be LGA3647 based on showing 12 dram sockets and the cooler being rectangular like in LGA3647 Xeon's instead of squarish in LGA2066.https://wccftech.com/intel-28-core-cpu-lga-3647-so...
(Ignore the circle on the picture, look at the CPU cooler and ram sockets in the tower by the presenters shoulder.)
I'm guessing that means it's just a stupidly overclocked version of an existing part, not anything new with EMIB like speculated by others.
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
WCCFTech is joke and full of AMD Bios people - if you don't believe it look at comment sections and especially the picture. Also they are showing a dual CPU motherboard and not a desktop processor.I believe that you are wrong about EMIB - it has a lot of potential - not only this XPS 15 2in1 that I am typing this on - but also with high end engineer chips like FPGA's where I believe the technology came from. The key is also that HDM2 memory can also be kept on same EMIB and it can used different technologies on the EMIB.
Ket_MANIAC - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
It won't run at 5 GHz normally. This is on a server platform, the LGA 3647 and pictures have been taken to show it uses a compressor or some other kind of exotic cooling. Intel being their shady selves, just like ever.zodiacfml - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Hard to believe it unless they have gone all out, Indium solder and AIO cooling.Oberoth - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I find it virtually impossible to believe that Intel will be able to make a 28 core CPU run at 5GHz on all cores within 6 months, they can't even do that with 6 cores today. And if it was being cooled by liquid nitrogen this would be exceptionally misleading. I see only 4 explanations for this announcement:1) It is a misunderstanding or vapourware, maybe he meant by the end of the decade which I still wouldn't believe.
2) They use a totally different type of core which isn't very complex but can clock quite high, kind of like Larrabee.
3) The TDP is like 1000 Watts and you need specialist high flow water cooling system to run it which comes pre-bonded direct to the die.
4) Intel has been sandbagging us that 10nm wasn't working properly and it's actually a magical node they defies the known laws of thermodynamics.
My money is on this being vapourware and is just Intel trying to get people's attention in the hope if they are waiting for this to come out then they are not buying AMD CPUs.
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Intel could have 10nm coming out - I am pretty sure that they are planning something big with 10nm - I don't believe this is vaporware, since it actually came from Intel demonstration. If it came from site like WCCFtech or such - or in comments sections, I could believe it is vaporware - but not from real company like Intel.HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
This chip is real and states Q2 and not vaporwarehttps://ark.intel.com/products/148263/Intel-Core-i...
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
But this one is only 6 core - but mobile at 95watts.. same name … interesting.Valantar - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
It was very obvious that this was an OC demo - it was housed in a case with some sort of sub-zero cooling, with insulated hoses coming out of the rear. Definitely not shipping st 5GHz all-core. Given the kind of power draw an 18-core i9 has at those frequencies, we're probably talking 7-800W CPU power alone.HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Just remember that Intel has been working with Dell to create high performance in extremely thin and low power laptop like XPS 15 2in1. Just imagine what they can do with desktop that is literary 10 times the size of this laptop or more.Valantar - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
That doesn't add up. The key point here is thermal density, and while the die size of of a HCC Xeon is significantly bigger than, say, a 6-core CFL, the package size and thus the thermal interface isn't _that_ much bigger. All the while, the power draw and heat output is 3-4-5x. Also, remember that laptops use direct-die cooling, with thin heatspreaders and heat pipes or vapor chambers directly contacting the die. No IHS there, which makes cooling significantly easier.Then there's the concentration of hot spots. A 6-core CFL pulls around 160-200W at 5-5.1GHz. Subtracting 10W for the uncore, that's 25-31W per core. The cores are located within a few mm from each other. The 8700K has six of them, and requires a 360mm AIO or similar to stay reasonably cool simply due to the immense concentration of heat. For comparison, a 250W GPU stays reasonably cool with a 120mm AIO due to direct die contact and fewer hot spots/more spread-out heat generation. The issue with CPUs isn't the size of the AIO, but rather getting the heat from the cores to the water (and then the radiator) efficiently. Given that the cores on HCC dice are still grouped very close, the bigger IHS doesn't really help much, so you're effectively asking to dissipate 4-5x the heat through 2-3x the area. In other words: cooling this is even more difficult.
Conclusion: you'll need exotic cooling for this, simply to have sufficient thermal transfer in a small enough area to keep from thermal throttling.
dgingeri - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I seriously doubt they'll be able to make Q4 this year. I'd say likely Q2 next year at the earliest. Their track record for being on time has been very poor for the last decade.Tkan215215 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Reason they are not showing much information on spec is they want to buy time. Time is money for every companies and amd threadripper 2 will be releasing soon. In order to stop customers buying amd they hype this. This will give a hugh disappointment T the end just like 10nm. Intel business has been poor market perception and decepting customers. However im surprise big partners and customer still buying their cpu for gamingHStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
RIP with that idea about specshttps://ark.intel.com/products/148263/Intel-Core-i...
HStewart - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Two very interesting things about this specification1. FCLGA1151 - not sure how different then normal LGA1151 chips
2. Does not have AVX-512 support like the Xeon 8180
Lack of 512 is significant - it likely why the this cpu can go up 5Ghz
69369369 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
inb4 some retard buying this just for gamingOxford Guy - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
You can bet your money that many enthusiasts sites will not benchmark games and such with anything less than one of these 5 GHz parts, as soon as they're available — regardless of how much they cost to the consumer.nobodyblog - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
This is not usual 14nm for sure. I expect ice lake 10nm+ version of it will have the same greatness with additional AVX 512 which can mean twice faster in the workloads it is made for: Content creation.It makes GPUs seem some jokes. I believe intel is aiming to let coders switch from CUDA to Intel x86 again.. GPGPU is not best way to do that in fact...
Thanks!
nobodyblog - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
King of Graphics, AI. and content creation..Oxford Guy - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
6 GHz or I'm out.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
I am 6 GHz and for that reason I am out.mrfluffyhedgehog - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
please correct the heading or put up an update …this cpu is an old xeon part, was cooled with an actively cooled (aka sub ambient) water cooling loop to get to 5ghz.
this is so far away from anyhting even enthusiasts would go for this comes enters the realm of extreme overclocking.
nothing about this cpu is impressive, save maybe the obvious desperation of intel that lead them to "re-release" a server cpu as a workstation part.
El Sama - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Ian Did you really believed this BS of a 28 cores Skylake X Xeon overclocked to 5 Ghz on a normal cooler a reality I AM sorely disappointed, how much do you think this thing is pulling 600 W, 700 W? How do you think they are cooling that? Come on Ian.B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2018 - link
Insane isn't it. Lost even more respect for this site. If these people actually think this could have been possible then it says a lot about the credibility of their articles.B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2018 - link
Permanently Adblocked AT.evilpaul666 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Who gives a #@% what a *single core* on a *28 core* CPU can be clocked up to?mapesdhs - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
This headline and Intel's PR is complete nonsense. Basic math on how a 7980XE behaves proves there's no way such a thing could function with normal ambient-based cooling. GN summed it up nicely:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRH0-QwhvVQ
Lolimaster - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
This fake news is basically identify your intel shill site unless they put "5Ghz cpu coming :D"El Sama - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
Is anyone going to edit this BS title, Intel is not releasing a 5ghz 28 cores CPU. Stop this BS Anandtech.allenb - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
Indeed, the headline on this piece is misleading at best given the information that's come to light over the last two days. Please revise!jameskatt - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Looks like a Mac Pro CPU candidate.[email protected] - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
I disagree. It was an overclocked engineering sample of a existing CPU. If that was not the case then why they would need a motherboard with more than 30 phases + giant HS and a freaking 1700W capable water chiller. Cmon !ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
I have a feeling this is already starting to haunt intel. This sort of marketing at the expense of logic is just ignorant. This is clearly a sad and pathetic attempt. Never make claims up-front that will never hold out in the future. This chip will never ship at 5GHz on all cores out of the box nor is it logical to try to persuade the public that it is attainable by most standards. There is no wonder that ThreadRipper parts are flying off the shelves over intel. This CPU will launch around 2,500 - 3,000 USD or more possibly. Who is this marketted to? Why would anyone choose this over an established Xeon or purchase the competition that is superior in core count and efficiency.B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2018 - link
Shame on AT for posting this obviously false story. The author should be fired. Can't believe you actually thought this even might be possible. This is something i'd expect from Gawker/Engadget and other "tech" site shit. Absolute disgrace.AdditionalPylons - Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - link
In my opinion, Ian is one of the most talented tech journalists out there. It's Intel that should be blamed for giving everyone false hopes by "forgetting" to mention the OC.milomilo - Saturday, June 9, 2018 - link
Why no correction on this article title ? the facts and admission from intel already state theres no 28 core with 5ghz in Q4 , then why Anandtech perisit in keeping the false title up ? AT said they are free to post article without pressure from Intel , ok then why keep this obviously false title up ? either you have no credibility as tech journalist , or you just incompetent as a journalist if you persist on the title..and no, small print updates inside the article dont wash out the obvious fake title
xpto - Thursday, June 14, 2018 - link
New Vulnerability hits Intel processors - Lazy FP State Restorehttps://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/security-c...