This is a love-hate monitor. It looks amazing, but at the same time the resolution is infuriating. At 200% scaling everything should look crisp and perfect, but... Too large. Exactly like in1080p 34 inch monitors, minus the "retina" resolution.
This monitor with HDR 1000 and 2880 lines would be a dream come true. I know it's a matter of time until it comes, but it's frustrating it's not here anyway.
IMO it's the perfect resolution. More accurately, it's the perfect DPI, 160. I call it just-barely-retina.
1: it's technically retina. In other words pixels are smaller than the average eye at the normal distance can't resolve pixels. Some will claim that once you hit retina more resolution doesn't increase quality. That's not quite true, but there is a grain of truth there; past the retina limit there are much diminished returns to an increase in resolution. But there are significant costs in terms of GPU resources required to drive it well.
2: it just barely works with those old apps that don't work well on anything other than 100% scaling. You have to squint and lean in, but you can use those apps. Not acceptable if you have to use those apps often, but if you just use them a couple hours a month you can do it.
I think people are confusing the physical DPI (PPI) of the display with the size of a "point" of a operating system’s UI.
At the optimal and sharp, 2:1-scaled UI resolution the display would be showing the same "amount of UI" as a 2560x1080 "non-retina" display would, which on a 34" screen is way too large.
Once we get to the point of all operating systems gracefully dealing with non-integer UI scaling such displays will get nicer to use, at least as far as I’m concerned. So, er, 2025-ish?
Without OLED contrast you get more shiny whites while pretty much giving you eye cancer if you dare to see dark conent, and pretty much kill your brain on a dark room.
Might as well get rid of HDR. I mean not a single person says "ohh like HDR". Everyone at walmart that comments on TV when they show "before and after" in tv demo is like "didn't they just make it brighter?". Which is exactly what it is. Hope it dies like Bloom.
More than HDR, people are happier when they rediscover the black color of old CRT and dead plasmas with OLED.
More than HDR I prefer video having higher color bit, HDR 1000 es more than enough combined with OLED contrast, LCD's always look like washed out in comparison..
HDR is not simply "making it brighter", it's making certain parts of the screen brighter without compromising the black level of dark areas of the image. Anyone can take a monitor and turn the brightness up to 100, but your blacks will be gray. HDR (and WCG for that matter) are here to stay, thankfully.
Wow; it just needs a tight curve and a high refresh-rate. I can't handle the poor viewing angles of VA, and I'd be too afraid to use an OLED panel for a PC monitor, even if they start making them, so I'm hoping this Nano IPS technology is comparable to a VA panel minus the poor viewing angles, and that it gets widely adopted, i.e. 2K and 4K 16:9 and 21:9 monitors with HDR 600 at 120 Hz or more.
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edzieba - Thursday, December 28, 2017 - link
If it's FALD, then that's an insta-buy. If it's just edge-lit zones, then I'll be waiting for TFTCentral or Rtings to test it.SirPerro - Thursday, December 28, 2017 - link
This is a love-hate monitor. It looks amazing, but at the same time the resolution is infuriating. At 200% scaling everything should look crisp and perfect, but... Too large. Exactly like in1080p 34 inch monitors, minus the "retina" resolution.This monitor with HDR 1000 and 2880 lines would be a dream come true. I know it's a matter of time until it comes, but it's frustrating it's not here anyway.
bryanlarsen - Thursday, December 28, 2017 - link
IMO it's the perfect resolution. More accurately, it's the perfect DPI, 160. I call it just-barely-retina.1: it's technically retina. In other words pixels are smaller than the average eye at the normal distance can't resolve pixels. Some will claim that once you hit retina more resolution doesn't increase quality. That's not quite true, but there is a grain of truth there; past the retina limit there are much diminished returns to an increase in resolution. But there are significant costs in terms of GPU resources required to drive it well.
2: it just barely works with those old apps that don't work well on anything other than 100% scaling. You have to squint and lean in, but you can use those apps. Not acceptable if you have to use those apps often, but if you just use them a couple hours a month you can do it.
edzieba - Thursday, December 28, 2017 - link
"Retina" limit for acuity in practice is FAR higher than Apple's brand-name 'retina' spec: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/cc6e/fe79ac1c7598...SirPerro - Thursday, December 28, 2017 - link
It's the equivalent of 80dpi which is too big. This is not a grandma monitor. This is meant for information dense use cases.At 2880 the monitor would be DPI equivalent to the ubiquitous 1440 27" monitors.
At 200% scaling there are no scaling artifacts as in, let's say, 150%, as non-HiDPI apps just use groups of 4 pixels.
I know I'll have that theoretical monitor some day. I just have to wait a little bit more :-(
amschroeder5 - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
34" 3440x1440 is dpi equivalent to 1440p 27". I have both. Sitting next to each other. It's exactly the same scaling.This is notably higher dpi than that.
xype - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
I think people are confusing the physical DPI (PPI) of the display with the size of a "point" of a operating system’s UI.At the optimal and sharp, 2:1-scaled UI resolution the display would be showing the same "amount of UI" as a 2560x1080 "non-retina" display would, which on a 34" screen is way too large.
Once we get to the point of all operating systems gracefully dealing with non-integer UI scaling such displays will get nicer to use, at least as far as I’m concerned. So, er, 2025-ish?
Lolimaster - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
Without OLED contrast you get more shiny whites while pretty much giving you eye cancer if you dare to see dark conent, and pretty much kill your brain on a dark room.Like having 60-240 grayscale.
imaheadcase - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
Might as well get rid of HDR. I mean not a single person says "ohh like HDR". Everyone at walmart that comments on TV when they show "before and after" in tv demo is like "didn't they just make it brighter?". Which is exactly what it is. Hope it dies like Bloom.Lolimaster - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
More than HDR, people are happier when they rediscover the black color of old CRT and dead plasmas with OLED.More than HDR I prefer video having higher color bit, HDR 1000 es more than enough combined with OLED contrast, LCD's always look like washed out in comparison..
CrimsonKnight - Wednesday, January 3, 2018 - link
HDR is not simply "making it brighter", it's making certain parts of the screen brighter without compromising the black level of dark areas of the image. Anyone can take a monitor and turn the brightness up to 100, but your blacks will be gray. HDR (and WCG for that matter) are here to stay, thankfully.Lolimaster - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
Why even mention HDR with a shitty craptastic grey blacks IPS panel?yhselp - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
Wow; it just needs a tight curve and a high refresh-rate. I can't handle the poor viewing angles of VA, and I'd be too afraid to use an OLED panel for a PC monitor, even if they start making them, so I'm hoping this Nano IPS technology is comparable to a VA panel minus the poor viewing angles, and that it gets widely adopted, i.e. 2K and 4K 16:9 and 21:9 monitors with HDR 600 at 120 Hz or more.boozed - Monday, January 1, 2018 - link
"I can't handle the poor viewing angles of VA"Do you mean TN?
wolfemane - Tuesday, January 2, 2018 - link
No... he means a VA displayhttps://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1890-panel-comp...
boozed - Monday, January 1, 2018 - link
Noice