But why? Obviously, it only takes a single dial to unleash creativity.
Mediocre logitech is mediocre.
What's the point here? Have one single function for the dial? Or maybe use it to manipulate on-screen dial that is in input focus? Oh wait, the mouse wheel already does that.
With a bit more engineering this could be really cool. Take the XBox game controller buttons and add them and make the knob a joystick. Add some LED lights and sell an all metal version with the mechanical keyboards. Then get Microsoft to add an even less supported spin click API.
Lots of professionals enjoy the feel of mech boards, it's not strictly for gaming, I'd argue non gamers actually brought the trend back a few years ago tbh...
It will not. The point is to allow different UI. For instance you can find research on how floating point numbers are faster to input using a rotary dial like this. Or people can use a keypad.
Think of the mouse wheel. Can you really live without it now? Or the forward and back buttons on a mouse. Or the right mouse button? Obviously anyone can live without the mousewheel click because that thing is an unholy abortion of dumbfuckery mated with aggressive stupidity.
This will sink or swim based on its usefulness. My Corsair K95 has a roll button for volume. I kind of don't want a keyboard without that now.
I use the wheel-click routinely, and would trade my side-buttons for a dedicated middle-click button like we USED to have. Then MS decided they were finally going to move to 3-button mice like everyone else made, but ruin it in the process. I am convinced wheel-click was an actively spiteful attempt to sabotage anyone that used middle-clicks.
The roller/drum on the Corsair K series was one of the primary reasons I chose it (still clinging to my original K90!)... Tho I don't really use it anymore now since I moved to an external amp for headphones (and added a passive external knob/switcher for my active speakers), that's getting into even more of a niche tho.
Right? There's a company by the name of Palette Gear which makes these modules your can combine as desired, they have knobs/dials, level sliders, and buttons... They seem pricey tho, the buttons in particular look a like arcade-like (dunno why they didn't go for 2-4 buttons per module) and I've no idea how it works in practice.
I guess the Surface Dial is the other popular option right now... It's not the first time we've had a fad of these things tho, Griffin made a popular USB dial for a few years before they stopped supporting it on newer Windows versions. Dunno if the market for it dried up or what...
Logitech is ahead of the curve here. I don't think knobs and switches are out of fashion enough, or quite ready to come back and replace digital buttons and touch screens.
Sadly, Logitech has pretty much forgotten left-handed people. Even their symmetrically designed mice usually have side buttons only for right thumb.
As such, MS Dial has endlessly better practicality. Not just it can be used with either hand, on desk and on screen... but it also can be paired with any keyboard. And it seems one can match good keyboard and MS Dial for the price of this keyboard.
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SinxarKnights - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Should add another knob on the right so I can use my Etch A Sketch app as intended.Samus - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
LOL. I'd buy one.ddriver - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
But why? Obviously, it only takes a single dial to unleash creativity.Mediocre logitech is mediocre.
What's the point here? Have one single function for the dial? Or maybe use it to manipulate on-screen dial that is in input focus? Oh wait, the mouse wheel already does that.
ddriver - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
But hey, if it helps them push a lousy membrane keyboard for 200 bucks, why the hell not, right?Azethoth - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
With a bit more engineering this could be really cool. Take the XBox game controller buttons and add them and make the knob a joystick. Add some LED lights and sell an all metal version with the mechanical keyboards. Then get Microsoft to add an even less supported spin click API.Slaveguy - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Your stomach is a mass grave for swimmersAzethoth - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I have no idea what that means, but I feel like you are getting into the spirit of things.smorebuds - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I think he just called you gay. I think.Samus - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Girlfriends* stomachpixelstuff - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Those keys look pretty shallow. For that price you'd think they could have used some Romer-G mechanical keys like on the new G613.Makaveli - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Probably because this is not a gaming keyboard.shabby - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Then whats the arkanoid dial for then?WorldWithoutMadness - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Duh, not for gaming? If you can use it for gaming, it's a bonus but it's not intended for that in the first placeTams80 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
It's called 'The CRAFT Advanced Keyboard', is pictured with an MX Master, and has a video of it being used with Photoshop.I'm not sure how many more clues you need so as to ascertain this keyboard is not aimed at gamers...
shabby - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
You two are so dense...Tams80 - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
Care to enlighten us? We weren't replying to you, and the original comment did not come across as sarcastic.EnzoLT - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Even if its not for gaming, I still cant see myself using non-mechs for content production..Ro_Ja - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I'd buy a mech if it is not as quiet as membrane. Last time I had a mech was way back 2000.Impulses - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Lots of professionals enjoy the feel of mech boards, it's not strictly for gaming, I'd argue non gamers actually brought the trend back a few years ago tbh...Bullwinkle J Moose - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Very Jerky adjustments you got going there....Very............non analog jumps
Would it help upgrading to a Pentium 3?
Or does it really SUCK that bad?
Or is it a PC + Software problem?
HomeworldFound - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I don't see how playing with knobs is going to revolutionise computing.abrowne1993 - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Well, computing already revolutionized playing with knobs.BrokenCrayons - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Thanks to Logitech, people all over the world can now sit down at their office computer and work their knob for hours and hours.Tams80 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I'm not sure that's what they intended when talking about RAW images.smilingcrow - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
Now there are two words you don't want to see in the same sentence; RAW & Knob.Azethoth - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
It will not. The point is to allow different UI. For instance you can find research on how floating point numbers are faster to input using a rotary dial like this. Or people can use a keypad.Think of the mouse wheel. Can you really live without it now? Or the forward and back buttons on a mouse. Or the right mouse button? Obviously anyone can live without the mousewheel click because that thing is an unholy abortion of dumbfuckery mated with aggressive stupidity.
This will sink or swim based on its usefulness. My Corsair K95 has a roll button for volume. I kind of don't want a keyboard without that now.
MrSpadge - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I use the mousewheel click all the time to quickly close tabs.Lord of the Bored - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I use the wheel-click routinely, and would trade my side-buttons for a dedicated middle-click button like we USED to have. Then MS decided they were finally going to move to 3-button mice like everyone else made, but ruin it in the process. I am convinced wheel-click was an actively spiteful attempt to sabotage anyone that used middle-clicks.Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I use it all the time to quickly open links in new tabs.Impulses - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
The roller/drum on the Corsair K series was one of the primary reasons I chose it (still clinging to my original K90!)... Tho I don't really use it anymore now since I moved to an external amp for headphones (and added a passive external knob/switcher for my active speakers), that's getting into even more of a niche tho.Tams80 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
You'd think they'd have more than one dial and some buttons (Logitech of all companies should know how to make some damn macro buttons).Then again 'minimalism' seems to be back in style again. Functionality be damned.
Impulses - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Right? There's a company by the name of Palette Gear which makes these modules your can combine as desired, they have knobs/dials, level sliders, and buttons... They seem pricey tho, the buttons in particular look a like arcade-like (dunno why they didn't go for 2-4 buttons per module) and I've no idea how it works in practice.I guess the Surface Dial is the other popular option right now... It's not the first time we've had a fad of these things tho, Griffin made a popular USB dial for a few years before they stopped supporting it on newer Windows versions. Dunno if the market for it dried up or what...
Tams80 - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
The Palette Gear stuff is far to expensive for what they offer.I know his opinion is not the best to go with, but Taran Van Hemert has pointed out some significant flaws with them.
Yuriman - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Logitech is ahead of the curve here. I don't think knobs and switches are out of fashion enough, or quite ready to come back and replace digital buttons and touch screens.zodiacfml - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
Nice except the ridiculous price.nikon133 - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
Sadly, Logitech has pretty much forgotten left-handed people. Even their symmetrically designed mice usually have side buttons only for right thumb.As such, MS Dial has endlessly better practicality. Not just it can be used with either hand, on desk and on screen... but it also can be paired with any keyboard. And it seems one can match good keyboard and MS Dial for the price of this keyboard.