Something in the table is off. Both i5 variants are shown with identical specs. Looking at Shuttles page I think the problem is that the 128+1GB mixed storage combo should be with the base i5 not the i7.
To me this sounds like Frequency battle during the Pentium 4 days - does having more than 4 cores really help with todays software.
Remember two things about this box 1. This is 45W box which is quite impressive to have that and oddly the graphics card uses almost twice as much power 2. This is not from Intel, if they really wanted to make a Multi-Core box, they could use 18 Core monster.
As for it being old fashioned and out of date, Intel has had more than 4 cores since 2010.but consumer level chips is demand is only recently.
I used to have really good experience building Shuttle systems in the Athlon64 era, but the quality has really tanked since 2005. Their motherboards and power supplies were disproportionately affected by the capacitor scandle of the era, indicating shuttle never flushed their stock or knowingly used counterfeit caps. Then after rebounding from that plague, their prices skyrocketed, and cooling modern systems became difficult, especially with powerful GPU's. Had they adopted a standard form factor like ITX and SFX...
This sucks. I just got a Gtx 1070 laptop with a 120hz display and g sync for 1700$. Here is the laptop ASUS ROG Strix G-SYNC 120 Hz VR Ready Thin Gaming Laptop GTX 1070 8GB Core i7-7700HQ 16GB DDR4 128GB SSD 1TB HDD, 15.6", Black - GL502VS-DS71. It is quite lightweight and thin. Best laptop purchase ever.
Yeah, it's overpriced. Given how easy it is to get a laptop with decent specs these days a mini-desktop with many of the same upgrade limitations and a higher price probably does lack appeal.
Yeah. I also wonder why manufacturers can't just sell a "stripped down laptop" as a thin portable PC.
It's hard to justify the $1500+ prices of these "small gaming PCs" when you can have an even more compact package in a laptop form factor and with today's modern Nvidia GTX 10XX series GPUs, there's little performance differential between mobile and desktop variants.
Like what would be so difficult of basically taking the exact same internal parts as a laptop and just shipping it in a modified chassis that includes no keyboard, no screen, no touchpad, no internal battery. IE: Just the PC itself, peripheral ports, and the DC plug to power it. Maybe a VESA mounting option if they want to get a bit wild with the idea. With the removal of all those extraneous parts you should be able to get an even more compact form factor than a laptop AND it should be at an overall lower price for end-users.
Those who complain its "overpriced" don't understand this is not something you can build yourself. Its all in house stuff. That argument its overpriced only applies to systems you can buy that uses off the shelf stuff. It may be overprices to you, but to someone who wants a simply gaming systems to sit next to TV its easily something a laymen would consider. People forget here that majority of people don't want to think about stuff, they just want it to work.
So it's not only overpriced, it's hardly upgradable too. At least you could easily upgrade old shuttles, which used normal desktop graphics cards and normal dekstop cpus.
And compare this to prices of same kind of machines from zotac, msi, asus and gigabyte. And you see there's better price/perf products out there. Shuttle is not anymore own with it's niche market.
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deil - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
you swapped the storage. 128+1TB HDD is on i5 weakest not i7 strongest :)DanNeely - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Something in the table is off. Both i5 variants are shown with identical specs. Looking at Shuttles page I think the problem is that the 128+1GB mixed storage combo should be with the base i5 not the i7.DanNeely - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Also, the "configurator" (none of the dropdowns actually have a second option, *SMH*) shows the 8GB ram on the i5 models is 4GBx2.jameskatt - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
4-Core CPUs are SO old fashioned and out of date.Qwertilot - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Watch the 45w thing :) For some reason AMD haven't done a low wattage Ryzen variant yet. Every indication it'd be good if/when they do.HStewart - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
To me this sounds like Frequency battle during the Pentium 4 days - does having more than 4 cores really help with todays software.Remember two things about this box
1. This is 45W box which is quite impressive to have that and oddly the graphics card uses almost twice as much power
2. This is not from Intel, if they really wanted to make a Multi-Core box, they could use 18 Core monster.
As for it being old fashioned and out of date, Intel has had more than 4 cores since 2010.but consumer level chips is demand is only recently.
SharpEars - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
And then I saw the ridiculous price.Samus - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
I used to have really good experience building Shuttle systems in the Athlon64 era, but the quality has really tanked since 2005. Their motherboards and power supplies were disproportionately affected by the capacitor scandle of the era, indicating shuttle never flushed their stock or knowingly used counterfeit caps. Then after rebounding from that plague, their prices skyrocketed, and cooling modern systems became difficult, especially with powerful GPU's. Had they adopted a standard form factor like ITX and SFX...CoolKid3009 - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
This sucks. I just got a Gtx 1070 laptop with a 120hz display and g sync for 1700$. Here is the laptop ASUS ROG Strix G-SYNC 120 Hz VR Ready Thin Gaming Laptop GTX 1070 8GB Core i7-7700HQ 16GB DDR4 128GB SSD 1TB HDD, 15.6", Black - GL502VS-DS71. It is quite lightweight and thin. Best laptop purchase ever.BrokenCrayons - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Yeah, it's overpriced. Given how easy it is to get a laptop with decent specs these days a mini-desktop with many of the same upgrade limitations and a higher price probably does lack appeal.JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Yeah. I also wonder why manufacturers can't just sell a "stripped down laptop" as a thin portable PC.It's hard to justify the $1500+ prices of these "small gaming PCs" when you can have an even more compact package in a laptop form factor and with today's modern Nvidia GTX 10XX series GPUs, there's little performance differential between mobile and desktop variants.
Like what would be so difficult of basically taking the exact same internal parts as a laptop and just shipping it in a modified chassis that includes no keyboard, no screen, no touchpad, no internal battery. IE: Just the PC itself, peripheral ports, and the DC plug to power it. Maybe a VESA mounting option if they want to get a bit wild with the idea. With the removal of all those extraneous parts you should be able to get an even more compact form factor than a laptop AND it should be at an overall lower price for end-users.
imaheadcase - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
Those who complain its "overpriced" don't understand this is not something you can build yourself. Its all in house stuff. That argument its overpriced only applies to systems you can buy that uses off the shelf stuff. It may be overprices to you, but to someone who wants a simply gaming systems to sit next to TV its easily something a laymen would consider. People forget here that majority of people don't want to think about stuff, they just want it to work.Its the reason consoles got so popular so fast.
jabbadap - Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - link
So it's not only overpriced, it's hardly upgradable too. At least you could easily upgrade old shuttles, which used normal desktop graphics cards and normal dekstop cpus.And compare this to prices of same kind of machines from zotac, msi, asus and gigabyte. And you see there's better price/perf products out there. Shuttle is not anymore own with it's niche market.
watzupken - Friday, August 18, 2017 - link
The pricing is senseless. Why pay this much for this when you can easily get a laptop with similar specs for the same price or lower?LauRoman - Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - link
The arangement of those ports looks awful