Yup. All the people whining about gsync support I think you should keep in mind that open source shared standards are always the best possible solution for consumers. It ensures a larger selection of products, lower prices and broad compatibility on multiple platforms.
Yeah and G-Sync Support is nothing more than the fleecing of Nvidias customers! As soon as Vega is released, I'm selling my 1070 and getting a Vega based card to go with this monitor. Nvidia can kiss my ass!
You do realise that with a static contrast ratio triple that of TN or IPS panels, you'll be able to see a significant more about of shadow detail? There's way more present.
Are you high? This is a wider gamut than any IPS Panel in this price range, short of the Philips E-Line 27" Quantum Dot that cannot handle sRGB and is nowhere near as fast as this refresh rate.
I assure you, you'll have plenty of shadow depth and better blacks than you've experienced with your IPS Displays.
I'm sorry I just had to comment after seeing so many naive people ask "Why no Gsync?"
LOL it should never surprise anyone that there isn't a Gsync version of any monitor. Gsync jacks up price a ton, takes up room, and offers no benefits over the FREE to implement Freesync.
Furthermore companies like Samsung and LG know that proprietary tech like Gsync are doomed to obsolescence very quickly. Nvidia will be supporting Freesync within a year or two anyways, so why put in any engineering effort to support this?
If nvidia admits they use Freesync on laptops then it's going to difficult for them to leech money from desktop users in the name of GSync. That G Sync is bound to be another doomed technology from greedy ass nVidia with its proprietary hardware, unwarranted price premium and useless restrictions like non compatibility with HDMI.
Yeah, ALL monitors could have FreeSync added to them at a low cost whereas with G-sync not so much. Even if Nvidia is larger WHY NOT include FreeSync support? There's one fucking obvious reason to not include GSync support though. GSync should die and Nvidia enable VESA Adaptive Sync support for their graphics cards, then again since it's Nvidia I guess they would rather just sell yet another lineup of cards for that instead.
LC27FG75 27" G-Sync variant is due around Q1 2017. Samsung advise of the model in their SamsungGlobalMonitor youtube channel video on 2016 model line up.
Yeah me too! I remember watching TV as a kid and contrast was so bad black people had no features except when they opened their eyes or smiled to show their white teeth lol
That won't be caused by panel itself since VA panels are natively 8 bit compared to 6bit TN which either use dithering or flicker to make up for missing colours. I suspect rather some lousy implementation or postprocessing "image improvement" function. If you seen VA panel flicker, it's RMA case. But in the end panel technology is just a part of final image quality. Cheapo solution will have cheapo results no matter whether you base it on TN or IPS.
Nope, a VA problem. Of course they dont flicker all the time. Only when you move. And it only seem to be specific ones that have a certain texture kind (which isnt rare though). I saw it most on beige, sand color, or light gray textures, sometimes even white ones. I read its due to the alignment of the pixels in VA. Some people dont even notice the flicker, its kinda like a PWM lighting, flashing real fast at like 60 Hz, but I noticed it, and I hate it.
I think he is mentioning pixel inversion artifacts(or interlace-pattern artifacts). But it would help to know the actual model. For instance, the Samsung CF391(which I assume uses a Samsung made panel) definitely has noticeable pixel inversion that is probably exaggerated even more due to VA response times and black rendering. When scrolling around text, you will see obvious an checkerboard look to it, and watching movies/playing games it is easy to notice the checkerboard effect(or whatever the grid pattern is configured as). It doesn't cause any eye discomfort as with PWM flicker, but it definitely obscures the quality of the image, and can be very distracting if you actually sit close to the screen as most computer users probably do. Call it a constant reminder of how much LCD technology really sucks(and perhaps it's even an indicator that more development is being pushed on better technologies), but also how desperate we are to obtain better displays that we'll probably just deal with defective stuff like this.
Also, that Samsung panel made use of effects like dithering when turning on special modes like Game Mode.
I understand the appeal of better contrast, but honestly, I kinda feel like the diminishing returns of a 3000:1 contrast ratio and trade-offs don't give me much hope for VA panels(and, really, we're all probably waiting for OLED anyway). One last thing, the 1ms response time Samsung boasts is only accurate when you enable the PWM flicker mode(which not everyone will like, and likely introduces noticeable input latency).
Well, that's just plain LCD ghosting. Never explicitely noticed that on my screen (Eizo S2111W) during all 25k hours of uptime it has. I'll try today with some tools. While LCD is imperfect, it's still much better than CRT bulb :-)
Samsung/LG the 2 panels makers for everyone have no interest in make low volume run monitors which is what gsync is with is extra cost and more space for the extra hardware takes in a monitor. Freesync is cost effective and takes no extra space to product.
My very un-scientific observation is that it seems like most monitors I've seen announced/reviewed lately are FreeSync with no mention of G-Sync. Will Nvidia eventually have to cave and support the free, open FreeSync? (I know, I know, please don't laugh me out of of the forumsphere...)
tbh nV screwed this up. They had better solution, earlier than others, but nailed it with unnecessary additional costs (fees, custom chip instead of open spec)...
If nvidia admits they are supporting freesync then jow are they going to leech money out of unsuspecting cusotmers pockets. G-Sync looks like its a doomed technology with propietary hardware, unwarranted price premium amd restrictive implementation(no support for gsync via hdmi).
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Phasenoise - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
Seems odd they'd make a new gaming monitor line without a gsync variant.Vatharian - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
I'll cite old ABBA song: money money money...dsumanik - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Yup. All the people whining about gsync support I think you should keep in mind that open source shared standards are always the best possible solution for consumers. It ensures a larger selection of products, lower prices and broad compatibility on multiple platforms.is4u2p - Saturday, March 25, 2017 - link
Yeah and G-Sync Support is nothing more than the fleecing of Nvidias customers! As soon as Vega is released, I'm selling my 1070 and getting a Vega based card to go with this monitor. Nvidia can kiss my ass!psyside1 - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
VA panel instead of IPS, worst everything + i like my shadow detail visible auto pass.JoeyJoJo123 - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
You do realize that most television panels (the ones that aren't oleds these days) are VA panels, right?A5 - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
VA is fine, especially compared to TN.aliquis - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
If only there was a way in which you could lower contrast and increase brightness ..CoD511 - Thursday, December 15, 2016 - link
You do realise that with a static contrast ratio triple that of TN or IPS panels, you'll be able to see a significant more about of shadow detail? There's way more present.is4u2p - Saturday, March 25, 2017 - link
Are you high? This is a wider gamut than any IPS Panel in this price range, short of the Philips E-Line 27" Quantum Dot that cannot handle sRGB and is nowhere near as fast as this refresh rate.I assure you, you'll have plenty of shadow depth and better blacks than you've experienced with your IPS Displays.
Captain_Tom - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
I'm sorry I just had to comment after seeing so many naive people ask "Why no Gsync?"LOL it should never surprise anyone that there isn't a Gsync version of any monitor. Gsync jacks up price a ton, takes up room, and offers no benefits over the FREE to implement Freesync.
Furthermore companies like Samsung and LG know that proprietary tech like Gsync are doomed to obsolescence very quickly. Nvidia will be supporting Freesync within a year or two anyways, so why put in any engineering effort to support this?
Lord of the Bored - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
GSync for laptops is done using VESA variable refresh. nVidia ALREADY supports FreeSync, they just don't want to admit it.Chaitanya - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
If nvidia admits they use Freesync on laptops then it's going to difficult for them to leech money from desktop users in the name of GSync. That G Sync is bound to be another doomed technology from greedy ass nVidia with its proprietary hardware, unwarranted price premium and useless restrictions like non compatibility with HDMI.aliquis - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Yeah, ALL monitors could have FreeSync added to them at a low cost whereas with G-sync not so much.Even if Nvidia is larger WHY NOT include FreeSync support? There's one fucking obvious reason to not include GSync support though.
GSync should die and Nvidia enable VESA Adaptive Sync support for their graphics cards, then again since it's Nvidia I guess they would rather just sell yet another lineup of cards for that instead.
quiop123 - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
LC27FG75 27" G-Sync variant is due around Q1 2017. Samsung advise of the model in their SamsungGlobalMonitor youtube channel video on 2016 model line up.Raniz - Monday, October 24, 2016 - link
Makes sense that the G-Sync variant comes later since it likely requires more development time to integrate the external controller required.aliquis - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
On the other hand if they all did that we could finally bury G-sync which would be great.Yuriman - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
I rather like VA panels, I'd love to be able to look at one locally before buying.Beaver M. - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
VA panels tend to flicker on some textures (mostly light color). I tested a few, and just like TN panels, I will never ever touch one again.Still waiting for a fast enough 144 Hz IPS 21:9 34" 3440×1440 with G-Sync and VESA support that doesnt cost my first born.
Lolimaster - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
I prefer to look at blacks that resemble blacks, not blacks that are light grey.ianmills - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
Yeah me too! I remember watching TV as a kid and contrast was so bad black people had no features except when they opened their eyes or smiled to show their white teeth lolHollyDOL - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
That won't be caused by panel itself since VA panels are natively 8 bit compared to 6bit TN which either use dithering or flicker to make up for missing colours. I suspect rather some lousy implementation or postprocessing "image improvement" function. If you seen VA panel flicker, it's RMA case. But in the end panel technology is just a part of final image quality. Cheapo solution will have cheapo results no matter whether you base it on TN or IPS.Beaver M. - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
Nope, a VA problem. Of course they dont flicker all the time. Only when you move. And it only seem to be specific ones that have a certain texture kind (which isnt rare though). I saw it most on beige, sand color, or light gray textures, sometimes even white ones. I read its due to the alignment of the pixels in VA.Some people dont even notice the flicker, its kinda like a PWM lighting, flashing real fast at like 60 Hz, but I noticed it, and I hate it.
HollyDOL - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
Do you have some example for trying? I still have old VA Eizo as a secondary screen, would try it on that to see.Neclord06 - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
I think he is mentioning pixel inversion artifacts(or interlace-pattern artifacts). But it would help to know the actual model. For instance, the Samsung CF391(which I assume uses a Samsung made panel) definitely has noticeable pixel inversion that is probably exaggerated even more due to VA response times and black rendering. When scrolling around text, you will see obvious an checkerboard look to it, and watching movies/playing games it is easy to notice the checkerboard effect(or whatever the grid pattern is configured as). It doesn't cause any eye discomfort as with PWM flicker, but it definitely obscures the quality of the image, and can be very distracting if you actually sit close to the screen as most computer users probably do. Call it a constant reminder of how much LCD technology really sucks(and perhaps it's even an indicator that more development is being pushed on better technologies), but also how desperate we are to obtain better displays that we'll probably just deal with defective stuff like this.Also, that Samsung panel made use of effects like dithering when turning on special modes like Game Mode.
I understand the appeal of better contrast, but honestly, I kinda feel like the diminishing returns of a 3000:1 contrast ratio and trade-offs don't give me much hope for VA panels(and, really, we're all probably waiting for OLED anyway). One last thing, the 1ms response time Samsung boasts is only accurate when you enable the PWM flicker mode(which not everyone will like, and likely introduces noticeable input latency).
HollyDOL - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
Well, that's just plain LCD ghosting. Never explicitely noticed that on my screen (Eizo S2111W) during all 25k hours of uptime it has. I'll try today with some tools.While LCD is imperfect, it's still much better than CRT bulb :-)
aliquis - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
If by you you mean you in the physical space chances are what you saw was the anti-glare coating?Jleppard - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
Samsung/LG the 2 panels makers for everyone have no interest in make low volume run monitors which is what gsync is with is extra cost and more space for the extra hardware takes in a monitor. Freesync is cost effective and takes no extra space to product.jsntech - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
My very un-scientific observation is that it seems like most monitors I've seen announced/reviewed lately are FreeSync with no mention of G-Sync. Will Nvidia eventually have to cave and support the free, open FreeSync? (I know, I know, please don't laugh me out of of the forumsphere...)HollyDOL - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
tbh nV screwed this up. They had better solution, earlier than others, but nailed it with unnecessary additional costs (fees, custom chip instead of open spec)...Morawka - Friday, October 21, 2016 - link
make a gsync model please, that's 3/4 of the desktop gaming market that your can't sell this monitor to.bigboxes - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
G-Sync is a dying spec. I'm rocking a GTX 970 and I'm ready for FreeSync to to be adopted industry wide.godrilla - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
Hdr?barleyguy - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
Does this have VESA mount holes? The pictures make it look it doesn't.The monitor on my desk is on a mounting arm above floating above some audio gear; not having a VESA mount would be a deal breaker.
Chaitanya - Saturday, October 22, 2016 - link
If nvidia admits they are supporting freesync then jow are they going to leech money out of unsuspecting cusotmers pockets. G-Sync looks like its a doomed technology with propietary hardware, unwarranted price premium amd restrictive implementation(no support for gsync via hdmi).K_Space - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
I think everyone has head you the first time.Ahnilated - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Ick! Freesync, 1080P, curved and I will pass.