The laptop dock really needed wifi ad to be relevant. What they do here was ok 10 years ago and yesterday but not today. Continuum is is also less potent than Chrome OS for now, not much of an asset. Enterprise if where such corporations without ideas go to die,it is alarming when consumer brands try to find refuge there. As for the phone, seems rather big for a 6 incher and the bigger you go, the more important a compact design becomes. And it's boring, everybody that will get punished this year is going with the same limited specs and design.
Continuum is only less potent because Google is being anti-competitive and not releasing apps or allowing others to create truly capable apps that access Google services. As they do on iOS.
You are right about the size though, that's is pushing the limits, and I have to wonder if the stereo speakers are worth it.
Don`t waste words, he`s a shill or perpetually butthurt MS hater. Don`t take my word for it, just open any article remotely connected to anything MS and see for yourself.
Which would still be pointless because as others have said you don't need that much bandwidth - all of the actual work is being done on the phone. Display, input, battery... nope, not necessary. 802.11ad in the MeDock would be almost as pointless as his clumsy attempt to attack it.
I mean seriously, attacking them for using the same "limited" high-end SoC as everybody else? Yeah they should use the unlimited hardware instead, petaflops! I mean these are good specs for any phone, let alone a WM device which traditionally don't need gobs of performance to run well. The high capacity future SD support is good too (they already have 200GB mSD models on the market but 64-128 would be enough for me), as is the twin biometric options (Iris in particular) for Hello support.
Or the LG G5. They must be junk. Limited specs. They should have used the Snapdragon 1880 Plus Turbo Deluxe from 5 years in the future like jjj here told them in the first place.
I have no idea why it would need WiFi ad to be relevant. I'm not sold on this form factor, but AD is really for very short range high bandwidth connections. Primary uses will be connecting devices like set top boxes to receivers and other 'in room' technologies. This is almost pointless in a phone, especially one docked with a laptop. AD permits speed way beyond either the LTE connection or the built in flash. AC can saturate both of them.
I think this could be the future, specially if they replace the Snapdragon 820 with the most powerful Atom SoC that fits in the phablet (for x86 full compatibility) and add a M.2 slot in the laptop dock. Also replace Windows 10 for mobile with full Windows 10... We could play Original Starcraft in a lapdock powered by our phones... how cool would that be??
If you turn the graphics way down you could probably run SCII. Anyway Cherry Trail is pretty good but the 820 would beat the snot out of it at these low power levels. It's a phablet but it's still a smartphone that has to get through the day on a charge. Anyway, at least the last few Atom generations are not second class citizens to the extent that older Atom designs were!
HP did also say they'd be open to using future x86 SoCs once the power and efficiency improves.
Who said you'd be able to run Win32 apps on it if it had an x86 CPU anyway, or have we just inferred that?
Beside that, ultrabooks use 10W+ CPUs. Do you get more than a fraction of the sustained performance of one of those in a phone?
My real concern about these devices is that ARMv8 (AArch32/64) Windows won't exist until mid-2016 according to Microsoft. I find myself wondering if the 808/810/820 devices that have already been announced/released (and thus must currently be running ARMv7 code) will ever actually be able to realise their full performance?
The combination of x86 CPU and full windows 10 (the premise laid out above) would not prevent legacy x86 apps from being run...that's just at the OS level.
Did running WinXP 32-bit on an Athlon 64 significantly hurt performance? It works fine. Delaying release until they have a solid 64-bit build is not a good idea. There's also no reason they couldn't release it as an update for ARMv8 devices.
It looks brilliant. I like the concept and if it has everything the 950 XL has plus additional features, I could even exchange it. However, the camera and case quality have to be top notch.
Business users. The CEO of the company I work for has been using a Surface for a couple of years, but there's nothing that he does on a computer that you can't do on a Microsoft phone with Universal Windows Apps.
RT was actually a brilliant platform in many applications. Anywhere that you wanted absolute bulletproof operation it was great. Many of my elderly relatives were set up by me with an RT device, and they are still using them blissfully. The only tech support I ever have to perform is telling them how to do something they haven't tried before.
In the corporate space there are many ideal applications for it as well, thanks to its full Office support. Continuum is attempting to make the case for it going forward, and in many situations it could make a ton of sense. I'd say it needs dual monitor support however as few companies stick you with only a single LCD these days.
This is what the windows phones should have been since day one. I just wonder though, how would be the battery life with that 4K mAh battery. If it can get me 2 days, then I'm actually looking at a good enterprise phone.
How does the phone physically attach to the laptop shell? Is it just a USB cord, or is there somewhere to dock the phone in the body of the shell? USB would be good since you could still use the phone for calls, but it would be clumsy and hard to move without disconnecting first. A dock in the shell would be nice for portability, but then you couldn't use the phone (unless there is software for that in Continuum).
Hey really smart people at Intel and Microsoft, get an x86 soc into this device already. What are you waiting for, you needed this type of device yesterday.
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jjj - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
The laptop dock really needed wifi ad to be relevant. What they do here was ok 10 years ago and yesterday but not today. Continuum is is also less potent than Chrome OS for now, not much of an asset.Enterprise if where such corporations without ideas go to die,it is alarming when consumer brands try to find refuge there.
As for the phone, seems rather big for a 6 incher and the bigger you go, the more important a compact design becomes. And it's boring, everybody that will get punished this year is going with the same limited specs and design.
Sttm - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
Continuum is only less potent because Google is being anti-competitive and not releasing apps or allowing others to create truly capable apps that access Google services. As they do on iOS.You are right about the size though, that's is pushing the limits, and I have to wonder if the stereo speakers are worth it.
Michael Bay - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
Don`t waste words, he`s a shill or perpetually butthurt MS hater. Don`t take my word for it, just open any article remotely connected to anything MS and see for yourself.snoozemode - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
It connect wirelessly to the laptop dock through Miracast UIBC https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/h...sorten - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
But the phone has wi-fi. Why add it to the dock?RU482 - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
I think he's referring to 60Ghz wireless docking standardAlexvrb - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Which would still be pointless because as others have said you don't need that much bandwidth - all of the actual work is being done on the phone. Display, input, battery... nope, not necessary. 802.11ad in the MeDock would be almost as pointless as his clumsy attempt to attack it.I mean seriously, attacking them for using the same "limited" high-end SoC as everybody else? Yeah they should use the unlimited hardware instead, petaflops! I mean these are good specs for any phone, let alone a WM device which traditionally don't need gobs of performance to run well. The high capacity future SD support is good too (they already have 200GB mSD models on the market but 64-128 would be enough for me), as is the twin biometric options (Iris in particular) for Hello support.
Myrandex - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
I know where is the criticism for the Galaxy S7 using this CPUAlexvrb - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Or the LG G5. They must be junk. Limited specs. They should have used the Snapdragon 1880 Plus Turbo Deluxe from 5 years in the future like jjj here told them in the first place.Reflex - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
I have no idea why it would need WiFi ad to be relevant. I'm not sold on this form factor, but AD is really for very short range high bandwidth connections. Primary uses will be connecting devices like set top boxes to receivers and other 'in room' technologies. This is almost pointless in a phone, especially one docked with a laptop. AD permits speed way beyond either the LTE connection or the built in flash. AC can saturate both of them.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Yes, the Enterprise, where they still use VGA projectors, faxes and old monitors. Yes... This really did need wifi ad.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Sorry... Did you mention Chrome OS and Enterprise? Chrome OS has no place theremilli - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
KRYONot Kyro.
Alexvrb - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
If Qualcomm adopted PowerVR graphics into their designs then I could say it's got Kryo AND Kyro.Winterblade - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
I think this could be the future, specially if they replace the Snapdragon 820 with the most powerful Atom SoC that fits in the phablet (for x86 full compatibility) and add a M.2 slot in the laptop dock. Also replace Windows 10 for mobile with full Windows 10... We could play Original Starcraft in a lapdock powered by our phones... how cool would that be??Alexvrb - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
If you turn the graphics way down you could probably run SCII. Anyway Cherry Trail is pretty good but the 820 would beat the snot out of it at these low power levels. It's a phablet but it's still a smartphone that has to get through the day on a charge. Anyway, at least the last few Atom generations are not second class citizens to the extent that older Atom designs were!HP did also say they'd be open to using future x86 SoCs once the power and efficiency improves.
MrSpadge - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
Glad to see someone trying new things. Such a device with an Atom Airmont / Goldmont and the ability to run Win32 programs - wow!Reflex - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
I agree on this, if this thing was Atom based and had the ability to run Win32 apps, it would destroy the ultrabook market for me at least.Azurael - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Who said you'd be able to run Win32 apps on it if it had an x86 CPU anyway, or have we just inferred that?Beside that, ultrabooks use 10W+ CPUs. Do you get more than a fraction of the sustained performance of one of those in a phone?
My real concern about these devices is that ARMv8 (AArch32/64) Windows won't exist until mid-2016 according to Microsoft. I find myself wondering if the 808/810/820 devices that have already been announced/released (and thus must currently be running ARMv7 code) will ever actually be able to realise their full performance?
Myrandex - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
The combination of x86 CPU and full windows 10 (the premise laid out above) would not prevent legacy x86 apps from being run...that's just at the OS level.Alexvrb - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Did running WinXP 32-bit on an Athlon 64 significantly hurt performance? It works fine. Delaying release until they have a solid 64-bit build is not a good idea. There's also no reason they couldn't release it as an update for ARMv8 devices.didier3001 - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
It looks brilliant. I like the concept and if it has everything the 950 XL has plus additional features, I could even exchange it. However, the camera and case quality have to be top notch.nerd1 - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
So it's windows RT all again. Who will buy this?sorten - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
Business users. The CEO of the company I work for has been using a Surface for a couple of years, but there's nothing that he does on a computer that you can't do on a Microsoft phone with Universal Windows Apps.Reflex - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
RT was actually a brilliant platform in many applications. Anywhere that you wanted absolute bulletproof operation it was great. Many of my elderly relatives were set up by me with an RT device, and they are still using them blissfully. The only tech support I ever have to perform is telling them how to do something they haven't tried before.In the corporate space there are many ideal applications for it as well, thanks to its full Office support. Continuum is attempting to make the case for it going forward, and in many situations it could make a ton of sense. I'd say it needs dual monitor support however as few companies stick you with only a single LCD these days.
nerd1 - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
CEO of the apple said he can do everything with his ipad pro. How many ceos are there to buy this?Myrandex - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
Windows Phone has been out for some time...that's not RT over again...SeleniumGlow - Sunday, February 21, 2016 - link
This is what the windows phones should have been since day one.I just wonder though, how would be the battery life with that 4K mAh battery. If it can get me 2 days, then I'm actually looking at a good enterprise phone.
cfenton - Monday, February 22, 2016 - link
How does the phone physically attach to the laptop shell? Is it just a USB cord, or is there somewhere to dock the phone in the body of the shell? USB would be good since you could still use the phone for calls, but it would be clumsy and hard to move without disconnecting first. A dock in the shell would be nice for portability, but then you couldn't use the phone (unless there is software for that in Continuum).Jhlot - Tuesday, February 23, 2016 - link
Hey really smart people at Intel and Microsoft, get an x86 soc into this device already. What are you waiting for, you needed this type of device yesterday.Myrandex - Wednesday, February 24, 2016 - link
omg take my money!