DailyTech was founded by an Anandtech ex-editor, but they were never the same company. Ironically, DT is now 100% more independent than Anandtech after the Purch acquisition.
I just noticed that DailyTech articles are no longer linked on the side. This makes me a little sad. I guess we shall see a little more of what they do over here. I don't use facebook or twitter although I do read the headliners.. that's something. Ah well back on topic I suppose.
> This makes me a little sad. It makes me glad. Ever since DailyTech turned into Jason Mick's freak show it was embarrassing that Anand would associate himself and his site with this garbage.
Can't say I like Samsung much, but, get em for obvious patent trolling. Please. Than, after you "win" your case against Nvidia, drop all damages/etc to show how "nice" you are.
In what way is nVidia's suit "patent trolling"? Patent trolling doesn't JUST mean "a company I dislike is suing a company I like over something vaguely related to IP".
They tried for years to get a licensing agreement with Samsung. They aren't suing everybody + the dog, they are suing Samsung and their partners. A "patent troll" is a company which makes/designs no products but owns IP and sues a whole lot to make money off the IP portfolio. NVIDIA is a company which has been selling products for over 15 years that is now bringing their first patent infringement suit. They think other companies have copied their patented ideas and are using them without paying for them. If one has patents and doesn't defend them when one thinks others infringe on them, what's the sense of having them to begin with? How much of a case they really have, and whether they win or not remains to be seen.
Nope they didn't, they began pestering them about vague stuff August 2012, but some of the patents weren't mentioned until January 2014, and they wanted to be paid for Qualcomm's chips even though the court papers read like they never contacted Qualcomm at all but expected Samsung to be a go between. They keep referring to their 2011 Intel deal (originally a 2004 deal), but the patents weren't approved then (04) and they didn't seem aware of every patent they use against Samsung. They don't refer to their licensing deals with anybody else, or anything previous to 2011.
You win a case, then sue the world+dog. You don't sue everybody in day 1. About contacting the others. Well that's what Nvidia is saying, not what it has really happened. And as Nvidia is a company that sells products for 15 years, Samsung is a company that sells products probably before Nvidia's CEO father has gone to school, and chips before Nvidia's CEO has finished the kindergarten.
Plus power VR invented the tech that Nvidia is suing over. Differed rendering and occlusion culling. I had a card (power vr2) in the 90's that had both well before Nvidia created a card with it and patented tech they didn't create. Now that Imagination owns them they need to straighten Nvidia out. I buy Nvidia cards now and then but they are plain pulling an Apple here.
specifically targeting one company that has lost quite a few patent cases against Apple, and, generally is seen as a loser in patent cases.
The fact they claimed that the PowerVR line of chips that Apple has used for a long time was also at fault, and, well, didn't sue Apple or Imagination Technologies... Or any other companies that widely use Qualcomm chips.... Yeah. This looks like trolling or one kind or another.
Samsung is such scum, throwing a smaller vendor like Velocity Micro under the bus just so they can jury shop. Whatever their fight with Nvidia is, picking a single PC builder to sue along with Nvidia has no purpose other than that.
Samsung is doing that because Nvidia targeted them in a suit that should have been about Qualcomm. Samsung was basically targeted since they have money. Samsung struck back suing a random little guy is basically saying, we don't want your money, we want you to stop being an idiot. I would be perfectly fine with them suing for patents related to parallel multicore gpu technology like 15 years ago when other guys first started using it, it's groundbreaking, but suing now is patent trolling at it's finest.
Most of these patents weren't dug up or in any way used before they began to go after Samsung/Qualcomm/ARM/ImgTec. Nvidia didn't disclose all patents in the suit for Samsung until January 2014, but made claims from August 2012 and onwards so they were hardly honest in wanting a deal. By 2012 these were old patents and consists of patents that probably hadn't been included in licensing deals. Samsung referred them to Qualcomm, but Nvidia according to it's filing never contacted Qualcomm themselves, or never notified them in any way before the suit. Some of the stuff were already disclosed before the filing (or priority date) of the patents. Where in some ways used by competitors. Some stuff are just the OpenGL pipeline that was already used in software. Plus the Intel deal really had nothing to do with these patents in the suit. Nvidia would hardly win a case that would mean the American firm Qualcomm can't deliver chips to the US market, giving the phone makers only the choice between Nvidia and Intel parts as they argue in their filing. The Intel deal weren't even in place when this market took off. Neither was any Intel or Nvidia parts available. Imagination and Qualcomm (ex-AMD tech) is GPU pioneers in their own right. It's not like it took them years to find out about their tech, they have been attending the same conferences and API standardization meetings and had opportunity to talk to them about licensing before Aug 2012 or Sep 2014 if these were more then bullshit patents they just dug up to pick a fight. Nvidia seeded the mobile market to these players as they weren't really around when the OpenGL ES 2.0 compatible stuff came. Imagination has been doing 3D gpus since 1996 or so. 2D stuff earlier than that. They knew AMD sold the z460/430 (Imageon) in 2008/09, that they made chips with integrated GPU's earlier than that. They knew Imagination and ARM where licensing GPU IP. And so on.
Of course I'm not highly informed with all the technical aspects of this lawsuit, but from the outside looking in I don't see how Samsung has much of a leg to stand on. Nvidia has been making GPU's longer than Samsung and Nvidia makes discrete GPU's which Samsung does not. I'm not really sure how much of a case Nvidia has over Samsung either, but I think Samsung has less of a leg to stand on than Nvidia.
One thing is for sure; Nvidia is not scared to go after bigger companies. They successfully got Intel to settle a few years ago and I think that will likely end up being the case here.
Whereas YOUR legal system is totally honest, right? Because being run by the mob makes everything right.
Seriously, there is no one more blind than a member of some other country accusing "the west" or some such of more corrupt practices than what goes on in their own country. Russia? China? Are you freakin kidding me? There is NO country in the East or Middle East than isn't more corrupt than the West.
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FunBunny2 - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Wait!!??!!! This sounds like a DailyTech piece! I thought they were banned?Flunk - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Really? I didn't notice any obvious grammar errors, unfounded speculation or opinion presented as fact.Lerianis - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Eh? More information on this supposed DailyTech ban from Anandtech. I thought that Anandtech and Dailytech were owned by the same company.JlHADJOE - Friday, December 26, 2014 - link
DailyTech was founded by an Anandtech ex-editor, but they were never the same company.Ironically, DT is now 100% more independent than Anandtech after the Purch acquisition.
just4U - Sunday, December 28, 2014 - link
I just noticed that DailyTech articles are no longer linked on the side. This makes me a little sad. I guess we shall see a little more of what they do over here. I don't use facebook or twitter although I do read the headliners.. that's something. Ah well back on topic I suppose.domboy - Monday, December 29, 2014 - link
Yeah, I too notice DailyTech was gone... I wonder why?tim851 - Thursday, January 1, 2015 - link
> This makes me a little sad.It makes me glad. Ever since DailyTech turned into Jason Mick's freak show it was embarrassing that Anand would associate himself and his site with this garbage.
testbug00 - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Can't say I like Samsung much, but, get em for obvious patent trolling.Please.
Than, after you "win" your case against Nvidia, drop all damages/etc to show how "nice" you are.
Granted. That is unlikely =[
name99 - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
In what way is nVidia's suit "patent trolling"?Patent trolling doesn't JUST mean "a company I dislike is suing a company I like over something vaguely related to IP".
yannigr2 - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
How about waiting for years GPUs to spread all over the market and only after that, suing everybody+the dog.Yojimbo - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
They tried for years to get a licensing agreement with Samsung. They aren't suing everybody + the dog, they are suing Samsung and their partners. A "patent troll" is a company which makes/designs no products but owns IP and sues a whole lot to make money off the IP portfolio. NVIDIA is a company which has been selling products for over 15 years that is now bringing their first patent infringement suit. They think other companies have copied their patented ideas and are using them without paying for them. If one has patents and doesn't defend them when one thinks others infringe on them, what's the sense of having them to begin with? How much of a case they really have, and whether they win or not remains to be seen.Penti - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Nope they didn't, they began pestering them about vague stuff August 2012, but some of the patents weren't mentioned until January 2014, and they wanted to be paid for Qualcomm's chips even though the court papers read like they never contacted Qualcomm at all but expected Samsung to be a go between. They keep referring to their 2011 Intel deal (originally a 2004 deal), but the patents weren't approved then (04) and they didn't seem aware of every patent they use against Samsung. They don't refer to their licensing deals with anybody else, or anything previous to 2011.hpglow - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
If Nvidia truly has these patents they should have never been granted to them. They didn't invent occlusion culling.yannigr2 - Friday, December 26, 2014 - link
You win a case, then sue the world+dog. You don't sue everybody in day 1. About contacting the others. Well that's what Nvidia is saying, not what it has really happened. And as Nvidia is a company that sells products for 15 years, Samsung is a company that sells products probably before Nvidia's CEO father has gone to school, and chips before Nvidia's CEO has finished the kindergarten.eanazag - Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - link
Intelligent response.hpglow - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Plus power VR invented the tech that Nvidia is suing over. Differed rendering and occlusion culling. I had a card (power vr2) in the 90's that had both well before Nvidia created a card with it and patented tech they didn't create. Now that Imagination owns them they need to straighten Nvidia out. I buy Nvidia cards now and then but they are plain pulling an Apple here.testbug00 - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
specifically targeting one company that has lost quite a few patent cases against Apple, and, generally is seen as a loser in patent cases.The fact they claimed that the PowerVR line of chips that Apple has used for a long time was also at fault, and, well, didn't sue Apple or Imagination Technologies... Or any other companies that widely use Qualcomm chips.... Yeah. This looks like trolling or one kind or another.
melgross - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Screw Samsung.tipoo - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Samsung is such scum, throwing a smaller vendor like Velocity Micro under the bus just so they can jury shop. Whatever their fight with Nvidia is, picking a single PC builder to sue along with Nvidia has no purpose other than that.darth415 - Wednesday, December 24, 2014 - link
Samsung is doing that because Nvidia targeted them in a suit that should have been about Qualcomm. Samsung was basically targeted since they have money. Samsung struck back suing a random little guy is basically saying, we don't want your money, we want you to stop being an idiot. I would be perfectly fine with them suing for patents related to parallel multicore gpu technology like 15 years ago when other guys first started using it, it's groundbreaking, but suing now is patent trolling at it's finest.Sabresiberian - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Must be nice to be able to read people's minds and know their exact motives.Penti - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Most of these patents weren't dug up or in any way used before they began to go after Samsung/Qualcomm/ARM/ImgTec. Nvidia didn't disclose all patents in the suit for Samsung until January 2014, but made claims from August 2012 and onwards so they were hardly honest in wanting a deal. By 2012 these were old patents and consists of patents that probably hadn't been included in licensing deals. Samsung referred them to Qualcomm, but Nvidia according to it's filing never contacted Qualcomm themselves, or never notified them in any way before the suit. Some of the stuff were already disclosed before the filing (or priority date) of the patents. Where in some ways used by competitors. Some stuff are just the OpenGL pipeline that was already used in software. Plus the Intel deal really had nothing to do with these patents in the suit. Nvidia would hardly win a case that would mean the American firm Qualcomm can't deliver chips to the US market, giving the phone makers only the choice between Nvidia and Intel parts as they argue in their filing. The Intel deal weren't even in place when this market took off. Neither was any Intel or Nvidia parts available. Imagination and Qualcomm (ex-AMD tech) is GPU pioneers in their own right. It's not like it took them years to find out about their tech, they have been attending the same conferences and API standardization meetings and had opportunity to talk to them about licensing before Aug 2012 or Sep 2014 if these were more then bullshit patents they just dug up to pick a fight. Nvidia seeded the mobile market to these players as they weren't really around when the OpenGL ES 2.0 compatible stuff came. Imagination has been doing 3D gpus since 1996 or so. 2D stuff earlier than that. They knew AMD sold the z460/430 (Imageon) in 2008/09, that they made chips with integrated GPU's earlier than that. They knew Imagination and ARM where licensing GPU IP. And so on.tviceman - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Of course I'm not highly informed with all the technical aspects of this lawsuit, but from the outside looking in I don't see how Samsung has much of a leg to stand on. Nvidia has been making GPU's longer than Samsung and Nvidia makes discrete GPU's which Samsung does not. I'm not really sure how much of a case Nvidia has over Samsung either, but I think Samsung has less of a leg to stand on than Nvidia.One thing is for sure; Nvidia is not scared to go after bigger companies. They successfully got Intel to settle a few years ago and I think that will likely end up being the case here.
Communism - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
The entire legal system in the west is all about political connections and how much money you are willing to throw at corrupt officials.Samsung will win. Just like Apple won against Samsung.
Nvidia lost the Intel suit. That's why Denver isn't x86.
Nvidia should have paid more for election contributions if they wanted to win any of the court cases.
Apple's win against Microsoft over "bundling" was also the result of Apple's superior political connections.
Sabresiberian - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Whereas YOUR legal system is totally honest, right? Because being run by the mob makes everything right.Seriously, there is no one more blind than a member of some other country accusing "the west" or some such of more corrupt practices than what goes on in their own country. Russia? China? Are you freakin kidding me? There is NO country in the East or Middle East than isn't more corrupt than the West.
Communism - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
I live in the US you paid shill.RandomThis - Thursday, December 25, 2014 - link
Facebook likeelsydeon666 - Friday, December 26, 2014 - link
Occlusion culling/HSR/whatever you call it, was done in 1974. Wikipedia knows all, and most of the "revolutionary new techniques" are 70's era stuff.atlantico - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - link
Screw nvidia.HisDivineOrder - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - link
And somewhere AMD executives are wishing for a Christmas miracle.