I must say I got used to a certain standard here. While there is a spec table for players, there is no such thing for the tab. The article lacks any intro, any analysis and any data. Can't say that's what I expected when I clicked on to read about the tab 8.9.
For the same price, 2 years later, nothing new really - and probably worse Video playback capabilities. Disappointing. Guess I'll have to keep the old guy kicking a little longer.
Of course the big looser in the thinness race is ports, everything is going through a propietry connector and 'expensive' converters, and there's no SD card slot either.
True. On the other hand the question becomes one of what the tablet is mostly used for. Tablets, while not pocketable like a smartphone, are still very much mobile devices.
How much time would/does your tablet spend physically connected to other devices?
At least in my case the answer is almost never, so I'm plenty willing to use an adapter dongle should it become necessary, and similarly unwilling to give up anything in size/thickness/etc. to have a greater variety of built-in ports that won't be in use most of the time.
(I feel the same way about the optical drive in my laptop. It's handily there for the tiny number of occasions that I do need it, but it occupies maybe 20% of this 13" laptop's footprint and has to be hauled around 100% of the time.)
With DLNA, Bluetooth, wireless file transfers and plentiful streaming options, all tablet manufacturer's are moving away from ports for connectivity. Samsung has a wide variety of accessories for the 10.1 and the 8.9, including docks that provide USB ports, video output and power. They also have a number of cases with integrated Bluetooth keyboards.
I've had tablets with USB, microSD and SD in house, and I have yet to put them to any practical purpose. I wouldn't be surprised if the norm becomes a lack of ports. My only wish, is that charging still be done through microUSB.
You hook up the tablet to the TV with HDMI to play HD content without having a dedicated HTPC, you hook up a USB key to exchange some bigger files on the go, or without opening bluetooth, you use a microSD card to transfer images from your camera to show them on a bigger screen.
Plenty of scenarios where wireless is less than ideal (and that's before I take into account the extra battery expenditure).
With these huge tablets, docks shouldn't be mandatory to get that kind of stuff. Even on my 5" tablet I am not really convinced that the dock is necessary - and at least I get a micro-SD slot out of the box.
A bad season of money for nothing is truncated. Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Player are the answer of the big industry to a coercitive Apple :). Very good, very good :), i can see prices down in near future :)
Apparently no built-in GPS. I know the GPS will absolutely kill the battery life, but come on Sammy! I've been waiting for a small format and (relatively) low-cost tablet with Wifi, SD/microSD expandability, GPS and Android (for media apps and offline Google Maps) to use as a travel device/PMP for car or pedestrian use. Others have successfully used BT GPS receivers with phones, but it limits the ability to use maps while you are walking around, and adds 1 more device to keep powered.
The iBex Flytouch3 would nominally seem to fit my wishlist, but I would prefer a device backed by a more top-shelf manufacturer for support. Here's hoping the Lenovo A1 gets some love from reviewers and ships this year...
way to go jtd871, we should totally saying random things without doing any research.
it DOES have GPS, for both 5 and 4 inch, and i don't see any reason why 8.9 inch doesn't come with one. i know because i actually HAVE a 5.0 in my hand right now.
and if you went with woot deal last week, you would pay 169 dollar on a brand new 5.0, which is a lot cheaper than ipod touch.
I don't want to be a prick here, but it seems a bit strange to have a review of a supposed iPod competitor which doesn't actually mention how well it performs this task.
(a) Does it support Bluetooth? Because I didn't see a BT icon in the menu bar of any of the screen shots.
(b) How well does the music player SW work? Of course it offers the basics, but how well does it interface with desktops? If i LIKE iTunes, does it play well with that? Does it offer transcoding of songs (eg down to 128kbps AAC) in the transfer from desktop to device, so that I can fit more songs on the device? etc etc
(c) How well does it handle spoken word audio? Does it remember my place within a long spoken word file? Does it remember my place in a playlist (representing the files that make up a full book)? Does it allow me to play audio at faster than realtime --- and with what granularity of control over the speed? etc etc
(d) Likewise does it play VIDEO at faster than realtime --- this is important if one view a lot of podcasts and lectures which can be, let's say, leisurely paced.
(e) How well does the UI for random access within large files work? Does the device offer quick and easy ways to jump back a few seconds if you missed something, or forward a few seconds to skip over the boring intro to a talk?
Apple is not perfect in this space. The sad FACT, however, is that I've been following it for about 10 years now, and I still haven't found a company that can offer even the basics of what Apple offers, let alone a BETTER experience. Look, for example, at what I have listed in terms of better ways to handle spoken word audio/video --- Apple is pretty lame in that area. And yet everyone else (as far as I know) is even worse. It's like they are utterly incapable of original thought --- if Apple doesn't offer faster than real-time video, or multiple speeds for faster than real-time audio, they don't have that feature to copy and so don't offer it either.
a. yes it has bluetooth, b. music software is okay, it is a galaxy phone without the phone part, so you can download any software of your choice (but the built in one is better integrated to the phone software) c. no idea what you talking about here... i personally do not know any music player that doesn't play word audio.. it is like saying whether a color screen can display black and white. again, there are downloadable software to do things that default software doesn't do. d. the default video play may not support it, but there are application that do what you mentioned. e. totally weird question. yes, like millions or other player, it does have a progress bar that you can use it jump back or forward.
HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.... you didn't read the article did you? it is not ipod competitor, it is ipod TOUCH competitor. you apparently never used ipod touch or any thing quite like it. it has its own operation system that you can download application (sort like how windows doesn't do picture editing very well, but you can install Photoshop for that purpose) so pretty much all the questions you have are non-applicable.
time to use a smart phone bro.. technology has came a long way since ipod.
Of course I'm familiar with an iPod Touch. Are you?
(b) Does not answer the question. Software is "OK" does not help. Does it work with iTunes? Does it work WELL with iTunes? These are simple questions. eg --- does it transfer playlists? Does it sync back with iTunes position and playcounts?
(c) The issue is not "playing" spoken word audio, it is that spoken word audio has DIFFERENT requirements than music. I freaking listed some of them: - remember position (across reboots, resyncs, switching to other files, etc) - don't include when in any sort of shuffle mode - able to play at non-real-time speeds. Apple does the first two well. It does the third OK, but with no choice of speeds. I also mentioned remembering position in a playlist (ie the collection of files that make up an audiobook.) Apple does not do this at all.
(d) Really. You are SURE there are video player apps that do this well, or you are simply assuming it? Those apps use HW or they do the decode in SW (so they stutter and destroy battery life?)
(e) Have you ever actually tried to USE the progress bar to locate a position within a long file or movie? As opposed to seeing a still image and thinking "that looks cool". Because, let me tell you, it works like crap. Apple tries, in iOS4, to do a better job with the variable speed sliding along the bar, depending on your vertical movement on the screen. But it's finicky and works badly if your finger sticks to the screen as mine tends to. It is USELESS for fine motions of the type I described. Also in iOS4 Apple provides a button to jump backwards 30 seconds. This is conceptually a good idea but - 30 seconds is usually way too longe. 10 sec would be better - there is no forward equivalent.
As a general principle, when you see a post asking questions you don't understand , you can take one of two stances: - the questioner is an idiot. I can read his mind, and clearly he is a fool OR - perhaps this questioner has deep and subtle needs because he understands this tool rather better than I do. You might want to consider in future which of these stances you should adopt.
And yeah --- I worked at Apple for ten years in the QuickTime group. I think I know what I'm talking about.
Your statement that "the 5.0 merits a $40 premium for its extra inch of screen real estate" is incorrect. The glass is larger, but you're not getting more. Looking at your home through a magnifying glass just makes it look larger, it doesn't add windows and bedrooms.
800x480 at 4" is a joke. At 5" it's absolutely absurd. Anyone who buys the 5" over the 4" for nearly any purpose is a fool.
so a 32 in 1080p TV should not cost more than a 72 in 1080p TV since you are not getting more?
what's next, a 3 thousand sq ft 3/2 house should cost the same as a 2 thousand sq ft 3/2 house because they all have 3 bed room and 2 bathroom?
you are getting MORE, more physical screen real estate. and 800x480 at 5" is not a joke. it is certainly nothing to write home about, but it does get the job done very well. again, use it before bashing it.
what you pay for 5 inch is larger battery and larger screen. it is easily the better of the two if you already have a 3.5 or 4 inch phone.
I wouldn't necessarily just flat out say the 5" is EASILY better of the two. Yes, it's a bigger screen, and has a bigger battery (to me the larger battery in the 5" compared to the 4" is way more important than the larger screen), but just as Jason said in the hands-on preview, because the 5" uses a TFT-LCD and the 4" uses an S-LCD, which is a much better screen.
So for people who care put a high priority on screen quality and want much better viewing angles and contrast, then in that sense, the 4" is clearly better, whether they have a 3.5" or 4" phone already or not.
The big thing for me is price. I'm sorry, but you're competing against the company which has the EXTREME majority of market share in this sector. Even if your product is better and has more features, you have to undercut them on your initial product entry, even if you take a loss, in order to gain enough interest to eventually take away decent market share from Apple. Microsoft arguably built a better music player in the most recent gen Zune compared to Apple's products, but it still failed. All these other companies competing with Apple don't get it when it comes to tablets, laptops, etc, and it looks like they're not getting it when it comes to music players either.
I was in the market for an ultra thin 13" laptop. I'm a PC guy -- always have been. But I ended up getting a MacBook Air to run Windows 7 on instead of a Samsung Series 9 because it offered a higher res screen, was of similar quality, and was cheaper. The Series 9 should have been $150 less than the MacBook air at MINIMUM, yet it's not even at the same price as the AIR...it's MORE expensive. They seriously have a lot to learn...
I agree, the price should be lower in order to gain market share. But for some people a lower price will mean lower quality, unfortunately... And, at least with Samsung this is not the case.
Anyway, in my country Galaxy S2 has a much lower price (the unsubsidized price is like 70%) than an iPhone 4 and Tab 10.1 was about 50 EUR less than a similar equiped iPad 2 last time I've checked.
Hey tablet manufacturers, how about looking at making a 12" tablet? More real estate is always a plus, and it will be a hit with the older generation, whose eyes can't really work as well any more, and find it difficult to read anything on a smaller screen.
Netbooks started out at 7", and now are primarily 10" screens, with some going as big as 12". So why haven't they followed suit with tablets??
The main reason you don't see 12" tablets is the size and weight makes them uncomfortable to hold. Current gen 10.1" tablets are already pushing this boundry. Personally I find holding a tablet 10.1" tablet up for over an hour unconfortable and look forward to further weight reductions in future generation devices. With netbooks you don't have tohttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4881/handson-with-th... hold it in your hand while using it so that isn't an issue for them.
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itpawn - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Do the 4.0 or 5.0 have HDMI output?quiksilvr - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Nowadays they are fusing micro USB with micro HDMI and call it the MHL (mobile HD link)velis - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
I must say I got used to a certain standard here. While there is a spec table for players, there is no such thing for the tab.The article lacks any intro, any analysis and any data.
Can't say that's what I expected when I clicked on to read about the tab 8.9.
sprockkets - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Did you read the second page?Anyhow, I'm waiting for the 7.7 model, or perhaps the next Asus model :)
ph0masta - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Maybe because its a "hands on" rather than a review.nagi603 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
The article title is Hands on with the 8.9, yet I only see the player 4/5 models...nagi603 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Oh wait, I knew I should actually be awake while commenting... :DLinkpl4y - Saturday, October 15, 2011 - link
I wonder if you can apply Samsung's Galaxy aesthetics to the following article?http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/richard_seymour_...
jalexoid - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Both displays are TFT displays. One is TN(the classic one) the other is MVA(SC LCD).Rick83 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
For the same price, 2 years later, nothing new really - and probably worse Video playback capabilities. Disappointing. Guess I'll have to keep the old guy kicking a little longer.cjb110 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Of course the big looser in the thinness race is ports, everything is going through a propietry connector and 'expensive' converters, and there's no SD card slot either.NCM - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
True. On the other hand the question becomes one of what the tablet is mostly used for. Tablets, while not pocketable like a smartphone, are still very much mobile devices.How much time would/does your tablet spend physically connected to other devices?
At least in my case the answer is almost never, so I'm plenty willing to use an adapter dongle should it become necessary, and similarly unwilling to give up anything in size/thickness/etc. to have a greater variety of built-in ports that won't be in use most of the time.
(I feel the same way about the optical drive in my laptop. It's handily there for the tiny number of occasions that I do need it, but it occupies maybe 20% of this 13" laptop's footprint and has to be hauled around 100% of the time.)
But your needs may well differ from mine.
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
With DLNA, Bluetooth, wireless file transfers and plentiful streaming options, all tablet manufacturer's are moving away from ports for connectivity. Samsung has a wide variety of accessories for the 10.1 and the 8.9, including docks that provide USB ports, video output and power. They also have a number of cases with integrated Bluetooth keyboards.I've had tablets with USB, microSD and SD in house, and I have yet to put them to any practical purpose. I wouldn't be surprised if the norm becomes a lack of ports. My only wish, is that charging still be done through microUSB.
Rick83 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
You hook up the tablet to the TV with HDMI to play HD content without having a dedicated HTPC, you hook up a USB key to exchange some bigger files on the go, or without opening bluetooth, you use a microSD card to transfer images from your camera to show them on a bigger screen.Plenty of scenarios where wireless is less than ideal (and that's before I take into account the extra battery expenditure).
With these huge tablets, docks shouldn't be mandatory to get that kind of stuff. Even on my 5" tablet I am not really convinced that the dock is necessary - and at least I get a micro-SD slot out of the box.
borys991 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
what if I'd like to view pictures from my nikon D90 (SD card) on this device? Is there any way to do it? Of course without using external computer.What do you think?
Cali3350 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
The 5" sounds like a real dud in comparison to the 4". Especially considering 5" is starting to get too big anyway.Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Not enough battery life. Make it 9 mm and give it a bigger battery.The ipod touch competitor has pretty crappy resolution. A 5" display would be interesting if it was better than 800x480.
Gondalf - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
A bad season of money for nothing is truncated. Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Player are the answer of the big industry to a coercitive Apple :).Very good, very good :), i can see prices down in near future :)
mcquade181 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Do these three (4", 5" & 8") have a built-in GPS? They could make useful car/boat/4WD computers if they do.jtd871 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Apparently no built-in GPS. I know the GPS will absolutely kill the battery life, but come on Sammy! I've been waiting for a small format and (relatively) low-cost tablet with Wifi, SD/microSD expandability, GPS and Android (for media apps and offline Google Maps) to use as a travel device/PMP for car or pedestrian use. Others have successfully used BT GPS receivers with phones, but it limits the ability to use maps while you are walking around, and adds 1 more device to keep powered.The iBex Flytouch3 would nominally seem to fit my wishlist, but I would prefer a device backed by a more top-shelf manufacturer for support. Here's hoping the Lenovo A1 gets some love from reviewers and ships this year...
seanleeforever - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
way to go jtd871, we should totally saying random things without doing any research.it DOES have GPS, for both 5 and 4 inch, and i don't see any reason why 8.9 inch doesn't come with one. i know because i actually HAVE a 5.0 in my hand right now.
and if you went with woot deal last week, you would pay 169 dollar on a brand new 5.0, which is a lot cheaper than ipod touch.
name99 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
I don't want to be a prick here, but it seems a bit strange to have a review of a supposed iPod competitor which doesn't actually mention how well it performs this task.(a) Does it support Bluetooth? Because I didn't see a BT icon in the menu bar of any of the screen shots.
(b) How well does the music player SW work? Of course it offers the basics, but how well does it interface with desktops? If i LIKE iTunes, does it play well with that? Does it offer transcoding of songs (eg down to 128kbps AAC) in the transfer from desktop to device, so that I can fit more songs on the device? etc etc
(c) How well does it handle spoken word audio? Does it remember my place within a long spoken word file? Does it remember my place in a playlist (representing the files that make up a full book)? Does it allow me to play audio at faster than realtime --- and with what granularity of control over the speed? etc etc
(d) Likewise does it play VIDEO at faster than realtime --- this is important if one view a lot of podcasts and lectures which can be, let's say, leisurely paced.
(e) How well does the UI for random access within large files work? Does the device offer quick and easy ways to jump back a few seconds if you missed something, or forward a few seconds to skip over the boring intro to a talk?
Apple is not perfect in this space. The sad FACT, however, is that I've been following it for about 10 years now, and I still haven't found a company that can offer even the basics of what Apple offers, let alone a BETTER experience. Look, for example, at what I have listed in terms of better ways to handle spoken word audio/video --- Apple is pretty lame in that area. And yet everyone else (as far as I know) is even worse. It's like they are utterly incapable of original thought --- if Apple doesn't offer faster than real-time video, or multiple speeds for faster than real-time audio, they don't have that feature to copy and so don't offer it either.
joshera - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
this is a hands-on, not a full review, this to have escaped a few people.seanleeforever - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
a. yes it has bluetooth,b. music software is okay, it is a galaxy phone without the phone part, so you can download any software of your choice (but the built in one is better integrated to the phone software)
c. no idea what you talking about here... i personally do not know any music player that doesn't play word audio.. it is like saying whether a color screen can display black and white. again, there are downloadable software to do things that default software doesn't do.
d. the default video play may not support it, but there are application that do what you mentioned.
e. totally weird question. yes, like millions or other player, it does have a progress bar that you can use it jump back or forward.
HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.... you didn't read the article did you? it is not ipod competitor, it is ipod TOUCH competitor. you apparently never used ipod touch or any thing quite like it. it has its own operation system that you can download application (sort like how windows doesn't do picture editing very well, but you can install Photoshop for that purpose) so pretty much all the questions you have are non-applicable.
time to use a smart phone bro.. technology has came a long way since ipod.
name99 - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Of course I'm familiar with an iPod Touch. Are you?(b) Does not answer the question. Software is "OK" does not help. Does it work with iTunes? Does it work WELL with iTunes? These are simple questions.
eg --- does it transfer playlists? Does it sync back with iTunes position and playcounts?
(c) The issue is not "playing" spoken word audio, it is that spoken word audio has DIFFERENT requirements than music. I freaking listed some of them:
- remember position (across reboots, resyncs, switching to other files, etc)
- don't include when in any sort of shuffle mode
- able to play at non-real-time speeds.
Apple does the first two well. It does the third OK, but with no choice of speeds.
I also mentioned remembering position in a playlist (ie the collection of files that make up an audiobook.) Apple does not do this at all.
(d) Really. You are SURE there are video player apps that do this well, or you are simply assuming it? Those apps use HW or they do the decode in SW (so they stutter and destroy battery life?)
(e) Have you ever actually tried to USE the progress bar to locate a position within a long file or movie? As opposed to seeing a still image and thinking "that looks cool". Because, let me tell you, it works like crap.
Apple tries, in iOS4, to do a better job with the variable speed sliding along the bar, depending on your vertical movement on the screen. But it's finicky and works badly if your finger sticks to the screen as mine tends to. It is USELESS for fine motions of the type I described.
Also in iOS4 Apple provides a button to jump backwards 30 seconds. This is conceptually a good idea but
- 30 seconds is usually way too longe. 10 sec would be better
- there is no forward equivalent.
As a general principle, when you see a post asking questions you don't understand , you can take one of two stances:
- the questioner is an idiot. I can read his mind, and clearly he is a fool OR
- perhaps this questioner has deep and subtle needs because he understands this tool rather better than I do.
You might want to consider in future which of these stances you should adopt.
And yeah --- I worked at Apple for ten years in the QuickTime group. I think I know what I'm talking about.
nealibob - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
Your statement that "the 5.0 merits a $40 premium for its extra inch of screen real estate" is incorrect. The glass is larger, but you're not getting more. Looking at your home through a magnifying glass just makes it look larger, it doesn't add windows and bedrooms.800x480 at 4" is a joke. At 5" it's absolutely absurd. Anyone who buys the 5" over the 4" for nearly any purpose is a fool.
seanleeforever - Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - link
so a 32 in 1080p TV should not cost more than a 72 in 1080p TV since you are not getting more?what's next, a 3 thousand sq ft 3/2 house should cost the same as a 2 thousand sq ft 3/2 house because they all have 3 bed room and 2 bathroom?
you are getting MORE, more physical screen real estate. and 800x480 at 5" is not a joke. it is certainly nothing to write home about, but it does get the job done very well. again, use it before bashing it.
what you pay for 5 inch is larger battery and larger screen. it is easily the better of the two if you already have a 3.5 or 4 inch phone.
FlyBri - Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - link
I wouldn't necessarily just flat out say the 5" is EASILY better of the two. Yes, it's a bigger screen, and has a bigger battery (to me the larger battery in the 5" compared to the 4" is way more important than the larger screen), but just as Jason said in the hands-on preview, because the 5" uses a TFT-LCD and the 4" uses an S-LCD, which is a much better screen.So for people who care put a high priority on screen quality and want much better viewing angles and contrast, then in that sense, the 4" is clearly better, whether they have a 3.5" or 4" phone already or not.
The big thing for me is price. I'm sorry, but you're competing against the company which has the EXTREME majority of market share in this sector. Even if your product is better and has more features, you have to undercut them on your initial product entry, even if you take a loss, in order to gain enough interest to eventually take away decent market share from Apple. Microsoft arguably built a better music player in the most recent gen Zune compared to Apple's products, but it still failed. All these other companies competing with Apple don't get it when it comes to tablets, laptops, etc, and it looks like they're not getting it when it comes to music players either.
I was in the market for an ultra thin 13" laptop. I'm a PC guy -- always have been. But I ended up getting a MacBook Air to run Windows 7 on instead of a Samsung Series 9 because it offered a higher res screen, was of similar quality, and was cheaper. The Series 9 should have been $150 less than the MacBook air at MINIMUM, yet it's not even at the same price as the AIR...it's MORE expensive. They seriously have a lot to learn...
Mugur - Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - link
I agree, the price should be lower in order to gain market share. But for some people a lower price will mean lower quality, unfortunately... And, at least with Samsung this is not the case.Anyway, in my country Galaxy S2 has a much lower price (the unsubsidized price is like 70%) than an iPhone 4 and Tab 10.1 was about 50 EUR less than a similar equiped iPad 2 last time I've checked.
marvdmartian - Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - link
Hey tablet manufacturers, how about looking at making a 12" tablet? More real estate is always a plus, and it will be a hit with the older generation, whose eyes can't really work as well any more, and find it difficult to read anything on a smaller screen.Netbooks started out at 7", and now are primarily 10" screens, with some going as big as 12". So why haven't they followed suit with tablets??
CrimsonFury - Thursday, September 29, 2011 - link
The main reason you don't see 12" tablets is the size and weight makes them uncomfortable to hold. Current gen 10.1" tablets are already pushing this boundry. Personally I find holding a tablet 10.1" tablet up for over an hour unconfortable and look forward to further weight reductions in future generation devices. With netbooks you don't have tohttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4881/handson-with-th... hold it in your hand while using it so that isn't an issue for them.dagamer34 - Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - link
With the announcement of the Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a Super AMOLED+ display, all interest in the 8.9 and 10.1 has gone to zero.coicoi - Sunday, October 2, 2011 - link
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