The 2760p isn't one of those regular laptops so maybe it makes this worth publishing. I agree with you that this probably isn't something that most people find interesting, especially when OEMs like HP update their machines very often.
2760p, 5330p, and the updated Envy 14 are all products that might be worth knowing about. The Envy 14 in particular had a lot of people that really liked it (and the upgrade LCD), so if the new SNB version offers a good LCD I'm sure it will be popular.
1920 x 1080 is bad on a desktop, so I'd wager that 1600x900 is badon a laptop as well.
Give me 16:10 or 4:3. Or set your sights higher and figure out how to make displays that do get a paper like ratio (portrait mode). Please inventors there are patents to be issued for this. The idea is free, you make it happen!
I have a 1600x900 laptop screen, and I am currently posting on here and watching a Braves game. Guess what pixels I am most limited by? Horizontal pixels.
Give me a 16x9 with equivalent pixel count as 16x10 and I think it's fine. Of course, many manufacturers use 16x9 as an excuse to cut pixels, but that's another issue...
How is 1080p bad on a desktop? Respectfully, I have 1920x1200 screens and a 1080p screen right next door, and I honestly don't feel like I've lost a tremendous amount of real estate with the 1080p. Actually, in editing video I almost prefer the 1080p screen.
Over time you'll notice that while bigger screens have lost some real estate, smaller ones have actually GAINED a bunch with most of them standardizing at 1080p from 19" on up, screen sizes where we usually had to deal with 1680x1050 or worse.
You originally gave the dm1z the Silver Editor's Choice, saying it was one bad screen away from being Gold. Has something changed to make it Bronze now?
I take it the "much less changed" means that the refreshed Envy14 will still have the stupid 1366x768 display? Also, any word on whether the discrete graphics are updated from the old version?
I wouldn't go that far, but it would be a deal-breaker for me. I really want a high-quality Sandy Bridge laptop in the size and price range of the Envy14, but the fact that they don't even offer a screen upgrade as an option really puts me off purchasing one.
It's "news" for a reason; thanks for your feedback, and we do try to avoid posting every single PR product announcement, but HP is a pretty major company and there's enough of potential interest to warrant a brief writeup of what's coming in the next month or so.
Personally; I like to know when hardware refreshes from major vendors occurs. I work in the technology sector - this kind of post is relevant to me and this site. So thanks :)
Thank you for the model update. When I finally settle on my next laptop, I won't care about these updates til the next upgrade, but I won't make comments acting like I'm the only reader that matters either. So keep it up.
... because we're actually interested in buying for work. I mean, I'm less interested today in how much the new video card is overclocking than I was 10 years ago... :-).
And yes, the worst part of HP notebooks is the 1366x768 screens. Not just in resolution, but the viewing angles are poor and the BV ones are also having a sort of dotty noise on them (present, but less annoying on the matte screens).
Oh, yes, and the Sandy Bridge ones are nowhere to be seen in my country; likewise the dm1z. :-)
And you know what is really sad? Here in Hungary, you can't even order a notebook with extras. You can buy what the dealer has ordered, for normal price, or you might try at the brand dealer, but that's going for nonsensical prices! So mainly you are stuck with a crappy 768 display... Boy, would I love to have a Sandy Bridge with a >=1440x900 display in a 14" (or maybe 13.3") chassis...
Besides the screens with crappy resolutions I really hate those keyboards with numeric keypads. It's ok on a 17" but not so on a 15" machine. That's the major reason why I told my boss I do NOT want something to replace my ageing 6730b. I'd rather have a Dell but we're a HP reseller...
I agree with your point too. Even at work, with an ordinary full size keyboard I don't use it very frequently... And thus I don't want to lug it around! Use that space for extra speakers, battery, video card, cooling, or entirely throw it away, and make the chassis smaller!
I don't know. Why do notebook manufacturers make crazy products? I mean a couple of points keep constantly popping up and preventing me buying a good notebook: * 768p display * optical drives in portability oriented machines (universal drive bays, capable of having extra batteries, or even HDD are however welcome!) * numeric pad * crappy shiny plastic everywhere one can touch a notebook
I don't want anything else but a keyboard on top of a 14" or a 15" laptop. My fingers don't like small keys.
And I would KILL for a 4:3 screen on a modern laptop. As a matter of fact, I would KILL the idiot who first though widescreen monitors were good for anything but movies and huge spreadsheets.
Even at 15" it's not easy to get a decent resolution. All too often you need a higher positioned model; faster CPU, discrete graphics, bigger disk, ... while you only want a nice screen. I'm leaning more and more to Dell where it's a lot easier customizing machines.
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Chudilo - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
This is more of a product release and should not be posted on this technology blog unless it contains something revolutionary.Kristian Vättö - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
The 2760p isn't one of those regular laptops so maybe it makes this worth publishing. I agree with you that this probably isn't something that most people find interesting, especially when OEMs like HP update their machines very often.JarredWalton - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
2760p, 5330p, and the updated Envy 14 are all products that might be worth knowing about. The Envy 14 in particular had a lot of people that really liked it (and the upgrade LCD), so if the new SNB version offers a good LCD I'm sure it will be popular.ImSpartacus - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
For smaller business laptops (11.6"<screen size<15.6"), I think 16:9 screens are fine....as long as they feature 1600x900 pixels.
If a company wants to put out a $500 12.5" laptop, they can do whatever they have to do to make that price point.
But when we're talking about machines well north of a grand, 1366x768 doesn't cut it.
Conficio - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
1920 x 1080 is bad on a desktop, so I'd wager that 1600x900 is badon a laptop as well.Give me 16:10 or 4:3. Or set your sights higher and figure out how to make displays that do get a paper like ratio (portrait mode). Please inventors there are patents to be issued for this. The idea is free, you make it happen!
ArKritz - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
Well Lenovo gave it a shot with the W700DS and W701DS.seapeople - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
1920x1080 beats 1680x1050 hands down.1600x900 beats 1440x900 hands down.
I have a 1600x900 laptop screen, and I am currently posting on here and watching a Braves game. Guess what pixels I am most limited by? Horizontal pixels.
Give me a 16x9 with equivalent pixel count as 16x10 and I think it's fine. Of course, many manufacturers use 16x9 as an excuse to cut pixels, but that's another issue...
Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
How is 1080p bad on a desktop? Respectfully, I have 1920x1200 screens and a 1080p screen right next door, and I honestly don't feel like I've lost a tremendous amount of real estate with the 1080p. Actually, in editing video I almost prefer the 1080p screen.Over time you'll notice that while bigger screens have lost some real estate, smaller ones have actually GAINED a bunch with most of them standardizing at 1080p from 19" on up, screen sizes where we usually had to deal with 1680x1050 or worse.
DudleyUC - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
You originally gave the dm1z the Silver Editor's Choice, saying it was one bad screen away from being Gold. Has something changed to make it Bronze now?alephxero - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
I take it the "much less changed" means that the refreshed Envy14 will still have the stupid 1366x768 display? Also, any word on whether the discrete graphics are updated from the old version?Taft12 - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
A $999 laptop with a 1366x768 screen... A candidate for worst product of all time?alephxero - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
I wouldn't go that far, but it would be a deal-breaker for me. I really want a high-quality Sandy Bridge laptop in the size and price range of the Envy14, but the fact that they don't even offer a screen upgrade as an option really puts me off purchasing one.decrescendo - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
Same here.Out of curiosity, what are you cross-shopping?
JeezusGetDisqusAlready - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
Methinks Anand is finally succumbing to the temptations of the corporate marketers. This review has no place on the site.JarredWalton - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
It's "news" for a reason; thanks for your feedback, and we do try to avoid posting every single PR product announcement, but HP is a pretty major company and there's enough of potential interest to warrant a brief writeup of what's coming in the next month or so.Spivonious - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
"chomping at the bit" should be "champing at the bit". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/champing+at+the+b...koafc - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
As somebody in the market for the Sandy Bridge refresh of the HP 25xx series, I'm interested to know about the upcoming model.shotage - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
Personally; I like to know when hardware refreshes from major vendors occurs. I work in the technology sector - this kind of post is relevant to me and this site. So thanks :)Iketh - Monday, May 9, 2011 - link
Thank you for the model update. When I finally settle on my next laptop, I won't care about these updates til the next upgrade, but I won't make comments acting like I'm the only reader that matters either. So keep it up.Mugur - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
... because we're actually interested in buying for work. I mean, I'm less interested today in how much the new video card is overclocking than I was 10 years ago... :-).And yes, the worst part of HP notebooks is the 1366x768 screens. Not just in resolution, but the viewing angles are poor and the BV ones are also having a sort of dotty noise on them (present, but less annoying on the matte screens).
Oh, yes, and the Sandy Bridge ones are nowhere to be seen in my country; likewise the dm1z. :-)
ppeterka - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
And you know what is really sad? Here in Hungary, you can't even order a notebook with extras. You can buy what the dealer has ordered, for normal price, or you might try at the brand dealer, but that's going for nonsensical prices! So mainly you are stuck with a crappy 768 display... Boy, would I love to have a Sandy Bridge with a >=1440x900 display in a 14" (or maybe 13.3") chassis...HMTK - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
Besides the screens with crappy resolutions I really hate those keyboards with numeric keypads. It's ok on a 17" but not so on a 15" machine. That's the major reason why I told my boss I do NOT want something to replace my ageing 6730b. I'd rather have a Dell but we're a HP reseller...ppeterka - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
I agree with your point too. Even at work, with an ordinary full size keyboard I don't use it very frequently... And thus I don't want to lug it around! Use that space for extra speakers, battery, video card, cooling, or entirely throw it away, and make the chassis smaller!I don't know. Why do notebook manufacturers make crazy products? I mean a couple of points keep constantly popping up and preventing me buying a good notebook:
* 768p display
* optical drives in portability oriented machines (universal drive bays, capable of having extra batteries, or even HDD are however welcome!)
* numeric pad
* crappy shiny plastic everywhere one can touch a notebook
Why?
HMTK - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
I don't want anything else but a keyboard on top of a 14" or a 15" laptop. My fingers don't like small keys.And I would KILL for a 4:3 screen on a modern laptop. As a matter of fact, I would KILL the idiot who first though widescreen monitors were good for anything but movies and huge spreadsheets.
halcyon - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
Very interesting notebooks, but the resolutions are too low.Why does one have to go to 15" and bigger to get a decent resolution?
HMTK - Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - link
Even at 15" it's not easy to get a decent resolution. All too often you need a higher positioned model; faster CPU, discrete graphics, bigger disk, ... while you only want a nice screen. I'm leaning more and more to Dell where it's a lot easier customizing machines.flyvog6 - Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - link
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