It can probably do 10h sitting on the desk doing nothing like the CULV laptops do.
I wonder if these will have an IPS panel like the iPad or the same junk Asus puts on their laptops. If its TN, then portrait use especially will likely be pretty awful.
Yes. The iPad gets (on average) 10 hours battery life or more. It doesn't seem to matter what you're doing on the iPad. You can surf the web, play games, or watch movies for the entire time and you'll still get around 10 hours per battery charge.
I've had my iPad for nearly 2 months now and love it! Prior to my iPad purchase, I'd never considered an Apple product. Always thought they were too pricey. But for me, the iPad is well worth it.
Exactly. There's not way this super slim device with a Core 2 Duo CULV is going to get 10hrs running Windows 7. The iPad can't even get with is far more power-conservative specs and more efficient OS.
If it looks like the photos suggest, I'd be surprised if it lasted more than a few hours.
They didn't say 10 hours watching video, it just says "upto" 10 hours of battery life (doesn't specify doing what). The 10 hours would likely be with power saving settings (low brightness, wireless off) doing basic tasks like documents, photos and such.
But it is going to need more than a media player to get people to buy it. Which also brings up a point about how all 1080p stuff is h.264 in mkv containers.
I would say yea. You are locked into the OS that apple puts on the iPad. You simply can't run any apple app you want that you would use on your imac or ibook.
However with this 12", since it says it uses windows 7 home, you can run any executable that is compatible with windows7. It may be a 'thicker' device than the ipad but you have more freedom overall.
i wouldnt be holding my breath on the ui on the 10" version - bespoke ui and os is not the strong point of companies like asus (i'd be more reassured if it was a google based os). i am genuinely interested to see what they can pull out with enhancements and ui wraps to win7 touch. i sure hope it's multi touch.
I'm not sure WinCE is a good choice for a tablet compared to Android (similar batter life, huge variety of apps) and "real" Windows (reduced battery life but runs real Windows programs).
You can't run any of your existing software on it, and CE doesn't have the support from developers that Android is getting.
There's a decent amount of WinCE software available on the net. You don't need an app store to grab it, either. I'd probably slap mplayer or coreplayer on there, if the built in player doesn't have enough format support.
The 10" version from Asus will use some ARM processor, and Windows (non-CE) is not officially compatible with ARM processors (and even if it were, you couldn't run Windows x86 applications on it). So, it's either Windows CE (for mobile), Android, a version of Linux or some BSD derivative
You're forgetting about Silverlight and XNA, with support for that it's not a problem for developers to create apps and games for the 10" tablet. And even "port" them from the WP7. What I'd really love though is for MS to create an API that lets people build support for shops like WP7 and Zune into their own programs, imagine Mediaportal/Meedios with a Zune shop integrated in it?
I'm sick of the word 'consumption' bein used in this context. Ever since the iPad came out, I keep hearing about content consumption... Hey, tech journalists, how about you consume the content of my balls... right off of your little content consumption devices.
I really hope they have something a bit more powerful than "We're Open" as a marketing campaign for their tablet. By and large consumers don't really care about open platforms as much as they care about making a product that's quality and idiot proof.
Marketing "open" is marketing to Geeks and you don't get rich selling only to Geeks.
I'm not sure I understand the terminology "Open Apple" here. So we have a device that ships and runs Microsoft Windows instead of iPhone OS. (And I assume either can / will be able to run Linux.) Great. So somehow Windows is "open" because it is more common? When did this "new math" come into fashion?
One thing I believe could be a problem on the CE-tablet is the browser, if I'm not mistaken it comes with a version of IE7 and that won't cutt it on a tablet, we need a HTML5 capable browser by next year.
Yeah, put me on the list for the 12" one! When I read the description, I was like, "wow, that's exactly what I want".
Shame that's gonna take so much time... With one of those, I really don't see the need (at least for me) to have a notebook. I would just buy a keyboard-dock and would be all set.
I believe, like some of the above, that "open windows" means that you would be able to run anything that can run on a windows desktop, not just the apps that Apple wants you to run. I mean, everyday we hear stories about how Apple manipulates the appstore, offering only what it judges to be good. With Windows on the Pad, there would way more freedom in terms of software and compatibility. Of course that the MS haters would still prefer the iPad. In the other hand, anyone that doesn't buy its hardware by religion would prefer something that's more useful than a giant iPhone.
So an Asus-pad would be open because you can run any desktop Windows app? But how is that an open/closed thing? The iPad is a different device from a laptop computer, just like a smartphone or a portable gaming console is. Different device, different purpose. Maybe Android phones and portable Playstations are "closed" in some sense since they aren't providing you full access to that Von Neumann architecture inside, but that's not very relevant. If you want to play PS games, buy a portable Playstation. If you want to run all your Windows apps and do general-purpose computing, buy a laptop or an existing or upcoming "Winpad" computer. If you just want to listen to music, watch videos, read PDFs, browse the internet, but are already happy with what your laptop provides in the general computing department, maybe you'll get an iPad. Open and closed has nothing to do with it. Buy one or don't buy one -- unlike in many cases, Windows, you aren't forced to use it.
Open simply means that M$ has not locked out all other developers/contributors yet. It has always been both the blessing and the curse of the PC (compatibility).
They will have a hard time unseating the Pad if they face it on the same field. There are few linear OS's that could give a smoother, albeit limited, experience.
The problems are simple. Apple has a fanbase. They also have EXCELLENT promoters, AND they have a head start. It would be very difficult to compete with them unless you did any combination of things.
They need to either do whatever it can, but cheaper, or offer more for about the same price.
Some additions, like ports and easily accessable batteries may make it worth more to some, but not to all.
Or they need to make it something that is basically a smaller Notebook. But then you are no longer directly competing with the Pad anymore....
As for battery life, 10 hours sounds great, but a bunch of people will not be using this for 10 hours strait. If they can find an easy way to swap batteries and provide a convenient charge station (have one ready at the drop of a hat) it may balance out a shorter lifespan (4 hours? 6 hours?)
You said: "Hopefully the 10" Eee Pad will let you play all of your H.264 content on your network regardless of format/container. In my mind that would give the Eee Pad the edge it needs over the iPad to be a great video consumption device."
I'm using Air Video on my iPad, it streams any video format I have on my home rig to my iPad over WiFi. The Air Video Server needs to be installed on your computer and it converts almost any video (using ffmpeg) in real-time, then broadcast the video stream so you got it on iPad with Air Video client. very smart move. I'm watching everything from my computer. No audio support yet, just video.
No mention here about external connectivity, but so that's been the deal killer for me most of these devices, and not just Apple. I use a USB760 Cellular broadband device (Verizon), and have used an ExpressCard (Sprint) in the past. From what I have seen, "closed" has also meant locking the user to a manufacturer-chosen 3G provider via an internal, device, instead of letting user choose the provider and device that works best for them. And then there are things like the keyboard and mouse I already own, instead of spending another hundred bucks for a redundant device . . . SDHC, cameras, I could go on . . . Sorry, but WiFi isn't everywhere, and video isn't everything, at least not to me. I find the Asus /Windows 7 combination very promising in this regard . . . They may just let me use the device how and for what I want . . . Finally, when comparing battery life, don't forget to compare screen resolution - the Asus is displaying at 720p vs most others at what - 1024x600? I'll take 8 hours at that trade off any day . . . .
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michael2k - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
Good luck with that. I have a hard time believing you can pull 10 hours watching full screen video on an Intel Windows 7 powered tablet.PsychoPif - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
Off course I'll need a deep review by Anand before buying one, I think I'm not the only one waiting for exactly this.While I don't expect 10, a 8h would be more than enoug hfor me to go through my day.
Kegetys - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
It can probably do 10h sitting on the desk doing nothing like the CULV laptops do.I wonder if these will have an IPS panel like the iPad or the same junk Asus puts on their laptops. If its TN, then portrait use especially will likely be pretty awful.
damianrobertjones - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
But can you do that on an iPad?ckantack - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
Yes. The iPad gets (on average) 10 hours battery life or more. It doesn't seem to matter what you're doing on the iPad. You can surf the web, play games, or watch movies for the entire time and you'll still get around 10 hours per battery charge.I've had my iPad for nearly 2 months now and love it! Prior to my iPad purchase, I'd never considered an Apple product. Always thought they were too pricey. But for me, the iPad is well worth it.
nortexoid - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
Exactly. There's not way this super slim device with a Core 2 Duo CULV is going to get 10hrs running Windows 7. The iPad can't even get with is far more power-conservative specs and more efficient OS.If it looks like the photos suggest, I'd be surprised if it lasted more than a few hours.
rpmurray - Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - link
It's just a bigger droid phone.CrimsonFury - Sunday, June 27, 2010 - link
They didn't say 10 hours watching video, it just says "upto" 10 hours of battery life (doesn't specify doing what). The 10 hours would likely be with power saving settings (low brightness, wireless off) doing basic tasks like documents, photos and such.sprockkets - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
But it is going to need more than a media player to get people to buy it. Which also brings up a point about how all 1080p stuff is h.264 in mkv containers.medi01 - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
This sounds beyond ridiculous:" no limiting functionality in order to preserve an ideal user experience"
so Apple is an "ideal user experience"? Orly?
OblivionLord - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
I would say yea. You are locked into the OS that apple puts on the iPad. You simply can't run any apple app you want that you would use on your imac or ibook.However with this 12", since it says it uses windows 7 home, you can run any executable that is compatible with windows7. It may be a 'thicker' device than the ipad but you have more freedom overall.
zero2espect - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
i wouldnt be holding my breath on the ui on the 10" version - bespoke ui and os is not the strong point of companies like asus (i'd be more reassured if it was a google based os). i am genuinely interested to see what they can pull out with enhancements and ui wraps to win7 touch. i sure hope it's multi touch.DaveSimmons - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
I'm not sure WinCE is a good choice for a tablet compared to Android (similar batter life, huge variety of apps) and "real" Windows (reduced battery life but runs real Windows programs).You can't run any of your existing software on it, and CE doesn't have the support from developers that Android is getting.
Alexvrb - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
There's a decent amount of WinCE software available on the net. You don't need an app store to grab it, either. I'd probably slap mplayer or coreplayer on there, if the built in player doesn't have enough format support.Calin - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
The 10" version from Asus will use some ARM processor, and Windows (non-CE) is not officially compatible with ARM processors (and even if it were, you couldn't run Windows x86 applications on it). So, it's either Windows CE (for mobile), Android, a version of Linux or some BSD derivativehvakrg - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
You're forgetting about Silverlight and XNA, with support for that it's not a problem for developers to create apps and games for the 10" tablet. And even "port" them from the WP7. What I'd really love though is for MS to create an API that lets people build support for shops like WP7 and Zune into their own programs, imagine Mediaportal/Meedios with a Zune shop integrated in it?killerclick - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
I'm sick of the word 'consumption' bein used in this context. Ever since the iPad came out, I keep hearing about content consumption... Hey, tech journalists, how about you consume the content of my balls... right off of your little content consumption devices.It's even worse than 'Web 2.0' and 'Cloud'...
hmurchison - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
I really hope they have something a bit more powerful than "We're Open" as a marketing campaign for their tablet. By and large consumers don't really care about open platforms as much as they care about making a product that's quality and idiot proof.Marketing "open" is marketing to Geeks and you don't get rich selling only to Geeks.
ABR - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
I'm not sure I understand the terminology "Open Apple" here. So we have a device that ships and runs Microsoft Windows instead of iPhone OS. (And I assume either can / will be able to run Linux.) Great. So somehow Windows is "open" because it is more common? When did this "new math" come into fashion?hvakrg - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
Windows is open because you're not locked into an exosystem where the manufacturer is all-mighty and can do as they please.hvakrg - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
One thing I believe could be a problem on the CE-tablet is the browser, if I'm not mistaken it comes with a version of IE7 and that won't cutt it on a tablet, we need a HTML5 capable browser by next year.nortexoid - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
Should've gone Android or other linux (derivative).R4F43LZiN - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
Yeah, put me on the list for the 12" one! When I read the description, I was like, "wow, that's exactly what I want".Shame that's gonna take so much time... With one of those, I really don't see the need (at least for me) to have a notebook. I would just buy a keyboard-dock and would be all set.
R4F43LZiN - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
I believe, like some of the above, that "open windows" means that you would be able to run anything that can run on a windows desktop, not just the apps that Apple wants you to run. I mean, everyday we hear stories about how Apple manipulates the appstore, offering only what it judges to be good. With Windows on the Pad, there would way more freedom in terms of software and compatibility. Of course that the MS haters would still prefer the iPad. In the other hand, anyone that doesn't buy its hardware by religion would prefer something that's more useful than a giant iPhone.ABR - Friday, June 4, 2010 - link
So an Asus-pad would be open because you can run any desktop Windows app? But how is that an open/closed thing? The iPad is a different device from a laptop computer, just like a smartphone or a portable gaming console is. Different device, different purpose. Maybe Android phones and portable Playstations are "closed" in some sense since they aren't providing you full access to that Von Neumann architecture inside, but that's not very relevant. If you want to play PS games, buy a portable Playstation. If you want to run all your Windows apps and do general-purpose computing, buy a laptop or an existing or upcoming "Winpad" computer. If you just want to listen to music, watch videos, read PDFs, browse the internet, but are already happy with what your laptop provides in the general computing department, maybe you'll get an iPad. Open and closed has nothing to do with it. Buy one or don't buy one -- unlike in many cases, Windows, you aren't forced to use it.Ninjahedge - Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - link
Open simply means that M$ has not locked out all other developers/contributors yet. It has always been both the blessing and the curse of the PC (compatibility).They will have a hard time unseating the Pad if they face it on the same field. There are few linear OS's that could give a smoother, albeit limited, experience.
The problems are simple. Apple has a fanbase. They also have EXCELLENT promoters, AND they have a head start. It would be very difficult to compete with them unless you did any combination of things.
They need to either do whatever it can, but cheaper, or offer more for about the same price.
Some additions, like ports and easily accessable batteries may make it worth more to some, but not to all.
Or they need to make it something that is basically a smaller Notebook. But then you are no longer directly competing with the Pad anymore....
As for battery life, 10 hours sounds great, but a bunch of people will not be using this for 10 hours strait. If they can find an easy way to swap batteries and provide a convenient charge station (have one ready at the drop of a hat) it may balance out a shorter lifespan (4 hours? 6 hours?)
x0rg - Thursday, June 3, 2010 - link
You said: "Hopefully the 10" Eee Pad will let you play all of your H.264 content on your network regardless of format/container. In my mind that would give the Eee Pad the edge it needs over the iPad to be a great video consumption device."I'm using Air Video on my iPad, it streams any video format I have on my home rig to my iPad over WiFi. The Air Video Server needs to be installed on your computer and it converts almost any video (using ffmpeg) in real-time, then broadcast the video stream so you got it on iPad with Air Video client. very smart move. I'm watching everything from my computer. No audio support yet, just video.
PortsOrBust - Friday, June 4, 2010 - link
No mention here about external connectivity, but so that's been the deal killer for me most of these devices, and not just Apple. I use a USB760 Cellular broadband device (Verizon), and have used an ExpressCard (Sprint) in the past. From what I have seen, "closed" has also meant locking the user to a manufacturer-chosen 3G provider via an internal, device, instead of letting user choose the provider and device that works best for them. And then there are things like the keyboard and mouse I already own, instead of spending another hundred bucks for a redundant device . . . SDHC, cameras, I could go on . . . Sorry, but WiFi isn't everywhere, and video isn't everything, at least not to me. I find the Asus /Windows 7 combination very promising in this regard . . . They may just let me use the device how and for what I want . . . Finally, when comparing battery life, don't forget to compare screen resolution - the Asus is displaying at 720p vs most others at what - 1024x600? I'll take 8 hours at that trade off any day . . . .aamir - Friday, June 11, 2010 - link
Soul Retrieval is simple and gentle and as with all of her work, soul retrieval can be done with Dawn Paul remotely over the telephone for those not based in the UK. Dawn has had success healing clients in California and New York using these healing techniques.<a href="http://www.liberate-online.co.uk/">Soul Retrieval </a>