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what information is being spent outside the company.
about the accuracy of the results.
where the results are coming from.
what the results will be used for (by third party doing the computing for you).
about fault tolerance or it's managed in someway in house.
Cloud Computing... basically it's a free ride.
What Cloud Computing might be good for... double checking in house results (general computation).
Cloud Computing just isn't a very good idea overall for anything...
Cloud computing allows small to mid-size companies to benefit from the hardcore redundancy of enterprise datacenters without having to purchase their own infrastructure.
It also allows companies building products based on value-add to severely undercut the competition. Say you're an IT support company, and you sell servers to people to get your IT support contracts in place. Now let's say a competitor comes in and underprices your server bid by 50% because he's reselling a cloud system. For a lot of customers, not hosting equipment at their offices is a good thing because they don't have the power, cooling or network redundancy to do it well in the first place.
I can appreciate security concerns, but most of the large cloud vendors will basically give you full control and visibility from the time the packet enters your virtual network. Why be in the business of owning hardware if you don't have to?
i am guessing the last option is for users who want to see the post count ?? (i picked the last one to see the results, guessing 600 others did as well)
Thanks for the link. Excellent article that mentions the work CMU is doing in encryption research, of which I'm aware. I agree that this is the solution to the usefulness of cloud computing, but there is an anormous effort ahead that's necessary to provide the efficiency required to make it viable. I believe it's possible, but within what time frame is the real question. As the article stated, it took decades of work until Gentry came up with a method of manipulating encrypted data, even though it's not currently practical. But the steady march of technological innovation will eventually overcome this obstacle too. In the meantime, I'll avoid cloud computing for critical uses and sensitive data storage like the plague!
Dealing with highly confidential financial information, the security risks including loss of data with Cloud Computing are simply too great to incur. Client confidentiality and fudiciary responsibility are the fundamental concerns in today's highly scrutinized financial world, and should have been all along.
i think the model is already validated, and from here on out we are really just measuring success of the various approaches to determine who's "doin it right".
cloud computing is really 2 fundamental things, and a bunch of challenges associated:
1) predictable cost of ownership for owner [real-physical life problem of $, cause it makes the world go round]
2) transparency of access for owner [usually being a technology-meta problem] (transparency for owner of data/tool/ etc. i am not talking about service provider)
couple folks alluded to some good challenges involved: scalability from individual to mega sized groups, and of course the question of: what to cloud? just data level or go all the way up the app stack.
the question of "whats right for me", when it comes to the cloud is a newer version of the "rent versus own" question. you can actually figure out quiet a bit about the space by following that model
the hype has already materialized and we do have enough technology to make it work; and there are "rents available cheaper than mortgages" in the technology sense(itunes, CRM, SFSF, VMware, etc). i do think we will see a greater variety in options if someone is considering the rent option.
Cloud computing was found to be not wanted by the general public in the early 70's already.
The only practical uses are already in use, google earth and search engines and fileservers and weather sites, but nobody want to have a dumb terminal like it's the dawn of computing again.
I don't even get why balmer wants it, MS's OS need more power with every new version, so if people go cloud and by that become less OS bound they'd finally all move to linux and MS would be losing.
I can see cloud computing working for some and not for others.
SMBs, I can see getting into it. Less worries about having to purchase/license software in-house and also less tech support in-house. Large enterprises, pretty much a no go. To little control.
For the home user, most will probably stick with what they already have. While there is a lot of broadband access out there already, many still get the lowest service possible. The thought of having to pay a monthly subscription fee to multiple different companies, instead of just a single purchase at your local Best Buy is undesirable.
Those who are much more mobile, probably won't mind the change. Being able to access your data from anywhere on any computer is very desirable. Not to mention, that the computer doesn't have to have specific software to access/view your data.
If you want central access on the go a simple VNC server at home should also work, I assume there are VNC (and such) client apps for mobile devices.
Or a SSH server at home, you don't need to pay all those fees, I though people were more techsavvy than the AOL/compuserve days and that that kind of thing went the way of the dodo.
You, like many others, are missing the point. The unfortunate thing is that the word "cloud" means many things, everybody gets fixated on one definition, blasts it, and then thinks that applies to all the others.
Lets start with what you think the cloud is. You probably saw the chrome OS, said, "no sir, I don't like it," shook your head, and went on eating hay. This is not the cloud that is being discussed in this survey.
Amazon, among other companies, offers a service where you can rent virtual instances in their data center. What you do with this instance is up to you, and there are several applications. The two primary uses of this service currently are servers of some sort (database or web server) or to do some high-throughput computing. Again, people bash on the former; why pay higher rates for hosting through amazon where there are many hosts that are "good enough," much cheaper and easier to administer? The second one is the really interesting one.
Imagine that you are a researcher. Periodically, your lab gets a large volume of data that needs to be crunched. You can do one of the following:
a) Crunch the data on your desktop or on a small set of affordable servers for several days/weeks
b) Buy a large cluster that starts getting obsolete the moment you assemble it and maintain it even when you don't need it
c) Reserve a few hundred high-throughput 8-core/15GB-RAM spot-instances on EC2 at a bargain basement price of $0.30/instance/hour
C is the really cool one. If you are fine a waiting until midnight for your computations to start (or when the spot instance prices drop low enough), you rig them up, let them go, and they are done the following day before even a generously sized grid could get them done.
The cloud will always be more expensive than doing things in-house, provided you have greater than X% utilization (I don't know what X is, but let's say it is 50%). But if your compute requirements periodically spike, and they are urgent, then using cloud computing services is your best bet. This then allows democratization of high throughput computing. You could come up with an idea that requires a lot of CPU, swipe your credit card at Amazon, and quickly/cheaply/easily test it out.
Thanks for saying I do not get it then basically reiterating what I said, you are my own private little cloud I guess.
The cloud 'revolution' is not about researchers, it's about normal people, and cloud computing for research was around before we had computers in the home, that is not new.. Wait now I'm repeating myself and you will repeat what I say after saying I don't get it, ad infinitum.
I stand by what I said and you can just reread it and then say 'Now you get it!"
I think that most of the answers to this is going to be based on the size of the organization. option one would appeal to large companies with many datacenters in different locations as compared to small/medium sized enterprises while 4 and 5 would appeal to the latter mentioned.
maybe you could find some way to reflect this in the survey?
1. Private corporate clouds
2. Software as a service
3. Hosted platforms
Private corporate clouds
These mostly consist of big VMware and Citrix clusters which will do way more than just server consolidation. Most companies already have the platform up and running but what we will see them start to use it more is for disaster recovery and desktops. Yes 2010 is the year virtual desktop infrastructures will be mature enough for common usage where most of the old problems will be solved.
Software as a service
Today we have some very good examples like Salesforce but more and more companies are starting to offer this. What's most interesting is that Microsoft is slowly trying this out with app streaming in Office 2010. This will mostly just be an option that smaller companies and consumers will look at since bigger companies will have compliance requirements that will stop them for now. What is also interesting is that with more and more software being offered as a service are basicly competing against already some mature free offerings. This will just hopefully drive software prices down.
Hosted platforms
This one is simple. Before you rented web space and just got an URL and ftp access, now we can get full desktops as the managment tool. You basicly get your own Virtual Machine. This enables endless options for everyone to get whatever they want hosted somewhere in the world.
What we are not going to see
At VMworld last year we saw them promise a future were you had your own datacenter and if you needed more power you could connect your private cloud to some service providers cloud to extend your own cloud. This I'm not seeing happening for the next few years. The big problem with this vision is that with virtualization you have so much flexibility and excellent overview of your infastructure that planning for growth is so easy. If you do get a spike in cpu requirements that it takes up all your cpu power then your own internal cloud is simply broken. On the private cloud you have loads of VM's on loads of CPU Cores and if you do get an unexpected spike you just simply throttle down the power needs for unimportant VM's. The bother of having a high speed link to some third party cloud provider is just way too costly. Expecialy since cpu power is so so very cheap these days.
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Olen Ahkcre - Monday, January 11, 2010 - link
Cloud Computing is OK, long as you do NOT care...what information is being spent outside the company.
about the accuracy of the results.
where the results are coming from.
what the results will be used for (by third party doing the computing for you).
about fault tolerance or it's managed in someway in house.
Cloud Computing... basically it's a free ride.
What Cloud Computing might be good for... double checking in house results (general computation).
Cloud Computing just isn't a very good idea overall for anything...
Exelius - Monday, February 1, 2010 - link
Pretty much everything you said here is wrong.Cloud computing allows small to mid-size companies to benefit from the hardcore redundancy of enterprise datacenters without having to purchase their own infrastructure.
It also allows companies building products based on value-add to severely undercut the competition. Say you're an IT support company, and you sell servers to people to get your IT support contracts in place. Now let's say a competitor comes in and underprices your server bid by 50% because he's reselling a cloud system. For a lot of customers, not hosting equipment at their offices is a good thing because they don't have the power, cooling or network redundancy to do it well in the first place.
I can appreciate security concerns, but most of the large cloud vendors will basically give you full control and visibility from the time the packet enters your virtual network. Why be in the business of owning hardware if you don't have to?
leexgx - Sunday, December 27, 2009 - link
i am guessing the last option is for users who want to see the post count ?? (i picked the last one to see the results, guessing 600 others did as well)Spacecomber - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
January issue of Technolgy Review includes an article called "Security in the Ether", which I thought might be of interest.http://www.technologyreview.com/web/24166/">http://www.technologyreview.com/web/24166/
ElderTech - Friday, December 25, 2009 - link
Thanks for the link. Excellent article that mentions the work CMU is doing in encryption research, of which I'm aware. I agree that this is the solution to the usefulness of cloud computing, but there is an anormous effort ahead that's necessary to provide the efficiency required to make it viable. I believe it's possible, but within what time frame is the real question. As the article stated, it took decades of work until Gentry came up with a method of manipulating encrypted data, even though it's not currently practical. But the steady march of technological innovation will eventually overcome this obstacle too. In the meantime, I'll avoid cloud computing for critical uses and sensitive data storage like the plague!ElderTech - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
Dealing with highly confidential financial information, the security risks including loss of data with Cloud Computing are simply too great to incur. Client confidentiality and fudiciary responsibility are the fundamental concerns in today's highly scrutinized financial world, and should have been all along.Jovec - Saturday, December 26, 2009 - link
Really? And companies are currently keeping my financial data safe?DILLIGAFF - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
i think the model is already validated, and from here on out we are really just measuring success of the various approaches to determine who's "doin it right".cloud computing is really 2 fundamental things, and a bunch of challenges associated:
1) predictable cost of ownership for owner [real-physical life problem of $, cause it makes the world go round]
2) transparency of access for owner [usually being a technology-meta problem] (transparency for owner of data/tool/ etc. i am not talking about service provider)
couple folks alluded to some good challenges involved: scalability from individual to mega sized groups, and of course the question of: what to cloud? just data level or go all the way up the app stack.
the question of "whats right for me", when it comes to the cloud is a newer version of the "rent versus own" question. you can actually figure out quiet a bit about the space by following that model
the hype has already materialized and we do have enough technology to make it work; and there are "rents available cheaper than mortgages" in the technology sense(itunes, CRM, SFSF, VMware, etc). i do think we will see a greater variety in options if someone is considering the rent option.
Wwhat - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
Cloud computing was found to be not wanted by the general public in the early 70's already.The only practical uses are already in use, google earth and search engines and fileservers and weather sites, but nobody want to have a dumb terminal like it's the dawn of computing again.
I don't even get why balmer wants it, MS's OS need more power with every new version, so if people go cloud and by that become less OS bound they'd finally all move to linux and MS would be losing.
afkrotch - Sunday, January 3, 2010 - link
I can see cloud computing working for some and not for others.SMBs, I can see getting into it. Less worries about having to purchase/license software in-house and also less tech support in-house. Large enterprises, pretty much a no go. To little control.
For the home user, most will probably stick with what they already have. While there is a lot of broadband access out there already, many still get the lowest service possible. The thought of having to pay a monthly subscription fee to multiple different companies, instead of just a single purchase at your local Best Buy is undesirable.
Those who are much more mobile, probably won't mind the change. Being able to access your data from anywhere on any computer is very desirable. Not to mention, that the computer doesn't have to have specific software to access/view your data.
Wwhat - Friday, January 8, 2010 - link
If you want central access on the go a simple VNC server at home should also work, I assume there are VNC (and such) client apps for mobile devices.Or a SSH server at home, you don't need to pay all those fees, I though people were more techsavvy than the AOL/compuserve days and that that kind of thing went the way of the dodo.
Zirconium - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
You, like many others, are missing the point. The unfortunate thing is that the word "cloud" means many things, everybody gets fixated on one definition, blasts it, and then thinks that applies to all the others.Lets start with what you think the cloud is. You probably saw the chrome OS, said, "no sir, I don't like it," shook your head, and went on eating hay. This is not the cloud that is being discussed in this survey.
Amazon, among other companies, offers a service where you can rent virtual instances in their data center. What you do with this instance is up to you, and there are several applications. The two primary uses of this service currently are servers of some sort (database or web server) or to do some high-throughput computing. Again, people bash on the former; why pay higher rates for hosting through amazon where there are many hosts that are "good enough," much cheaper and easier to administer? The second one is the really interesting one.
Imagine that you are a researcher. Periodically, your lab gets a large volume of data that needs to be crunched. You can do one of the following:
a) Crunch the data on your desktop or on a small set of affordable servers for several days/weeks
b) Buy a large cluster that starts getting obsolete the moment you assemble it and maintain it even when you don't need it
c) Reserve a few hundred high-throughput 8-core/15GB-RAM spot-instances on EC2 at a bargain basement price of $0.30/instance/hour
C is the really cool one. If you are fine a waiting until midnight for your computations to start (or when the spot instance prices drop low enough), you rig them up, let them go, and they are done the following day before even a generously sized grid could get them done.
The cloud will always be more expensive than doing things in-house, provided you have greater than X% utilization (I don't know what X is, but let's say it is 50%). But if your compute requirements periodically spike, and they are urgent, then using cloud computing services is your best bet. This then allows democratization of high throughput computing. You could come up with an idea that requires a lot of CPU, swipe your credit card at Amazon, and quickly/cheaply/easily test it out.
Wwhat - Friday, January 8, 2010 - link
Thanks for saying I do not get it then basically reiterating what I said, you are my own private little cloud I guess.The cloud 'revolution' is not about researchers, it's about normal people, and cloud computing for research was around before we had computers in the home, that is not new.. Wait now I'm repeating myself and you will repeat what I say after saying I don't get it, ad infinitum.
I stand by what I said and you can just reread it and then say 'Now you get it!"
pullmyfoot - Thursday, December 24, 2009 - link
I think that most of the answers to this is going to be based on the size of the organization. option one would appeal to large companies with many datacenters in different locations as compared to small/medium sized enterprises while 4 and 5 would appeal to the latter mentioned.maybe you could find some way to reflect this in the survey?
Czar - Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - link
Cloud computing basicly consists of 3 things.1. Private corporate clouds
2. Software as a service
3. Hosted platforms
Private corporate clouds
These mostly consist of big VMware and Citrix clusters which will do way more than just server consolidation. Most companies already have the platform up and running but what we will see them start to use it more is for disaster recovery and desktops. Yes 2010 is the year virtual desktop infrastructures will be mature enough for common usage where most of the old problems will be solved.
Software as a service
Today we have some very good examples like Salesforce but more and more companies are starting to offer this. What's most interesting is that Microsoft is slowly trying this out with app streaming in Office 2010. This will mostly just be an option that smaller companies and consumers will look at since bigger companies will have compliance requirements that will stop them for now. What is also interesting is that with more and more software being offered as a service are basicly competing against already some mature free offerings. This will just hopefully drive software prices down.
Hosted platforms
This one is simple. Before you rented web space and just got an URL and ftp access, now we can get full desktops as the managment tool. You basicly get your own Virtual Machine. This enables endless options for everyone to get whatever they want hosted somewhere in the world.
What we are not going to see
At VMworld last year we saw them promise a future were you had your own datacenter and if you needed more power you could connect your private cloud to some service providers cloud to extend your own cloud. This I'm not seeing happening for the next few years. The big problem with this vision is that with virtualization you have so much flexibility and excellent overview of your infastructure that planning for growth is so easy. If you do get a spike in cpu requirements that it takes up all your cpu power then your own internal cloud is simply broken. On the private cloud you have loads of VM's on loads of CPU Cores and if you do get an unexpected spike you just simply throttle down the power needs for unimportant VM's. The bother of having a high speed link to some third party cloud provider is just way too costly. Expecialy since cpu power is so so very cheap these days.
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