Almost no one needs more than 64 GB of DDR5-6400. The whole point of this board is a quality entry level AM5 system. Considering the price increase of everything in society in the past 2+ years this is quite a deal for an enthusiast on a tight budget.
This board will likely be eyed for many pro-sumer server builds, making quad slot DIMM support very relevant for many users. It's an mATX board, without support for one of the signature benefits when going from ITX to ATX.
Except that anyone with an AM4 setup will get better perf/$ by grabbing a 5000/x3d to replace their old 1000/2000 chip, and CPUs last a LONG time in terms of performance.
>Thats a good price I'm sure everyone will just blame "inflation", but I have to say I quite resent the fact that $125 is now considered bottom-tier entry-level.
Recently? Lying about the VRM on their boards Overheating VRMs VRMs that can't handle turbo boost
In the past they had Thin PCBs that flex PCBs using fewer layers to cut costs
You won't encounter these problems if you buy their top of the line boards, but their mid to low end boards are usually garbage, and possibly fire hazards.
Knowing how the B660M-HDV's VRMs performed - as in, VRMs throttling to *below 65 watts* in Techspot's tests - I will wait for the results to come in before risking a bottom-dollar ASRock HDV board.
Well, this is not mean to be highend OC board! This is fine with 7600 CPU and stock cooler for low end builds. If someone want to use 7950x with this... He could chose something, much much better! 7600 will be fine with 65 wats aka perfect target to even really low quality motherboard. Those $150 motherboard that we have now in market (not including the Asus that did drop the ball) will manage 7950x easily!
The previous board throttled everything to 65 watt TDP, and it had negative correlations to performance far outside of typical 65w TDP settings on most boards.
The fact there are better $150 boards does not justify releasing a $125 board if its VRMs are total cr@p like the last one.
B660M-HDV is an intel chipset board. It lacks a heatsink, and it uses a low quality 5 phase VRM for the CPU
Where as the B650M-HDV is an AMD chipset board. It has a heatsink over the VRM, and the VRM is 8-phase for the CPU. Now, as for the quality of the components, but I think we know the answer. The "8", is also probably a "4x2", but that's still a lot better than 5x1 without a heatsink. AMD 7000 series CPUs are also not as power hungry as Intel 13th gen.
That's not to give asrock a pass, and I would still wait for a detailed review.
" But ASRock has still been able to build in a powerful enough VRM system to supports all AM5 processors (including the top-of-the-range Ryzen 9 7950X3D)."
You should be referring to the 7950X here, it runs 50W higher power. The X3D part is priced higher but is TDP nerfed due to the extra cache.
"The platform does not have a PCIe 5.0 x16 slot for graphics boards, but there aren't any consumer graphics cards with such interface anyway." Whilst I would not in anyway suggest that it could use PCI-e 5 bandwidth there is a consumer card with a such ability, that statement is technically inaccurate. https://wccftech.com/chinese-mtt-s80-gaming-graphi...
True, but considering it used ~250W to run like a 1030 when Linus Tech Tips tried it, and you can't even buy it without going through contortions and a lottery system, I doubt many consumers will try it.
... So we're somehow keeping the stupid "Hyper M.2" naming for PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD support, and further dipping into stupid with "Blazing M.2" for PCIe 5.0? Have we seriously learned nothing from the fast/superfast/superspeed/hyperfastsuperspeednextgennewtechnology insanity?
Can we not leverage federal sanctions (perhaps criminal charges?) against this industry for needlessly convoluted, nonsensical, purposely consumer confusing nomenclature?
PUT THE F'ING SPEED IN THE NAME AND LEAVE IT TF ALONE!
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nandnandnand - Thursday, March 9, 2023 - link
"Since it only has 2 DIMM slots, it only supports 64 GB of DDR5-6400 memory"It will be able to support 96 GB of memory after it gets a BIOS update.
Techie2 - Thursday, March 9, 2023 - link
Almost no one needs more than 64 GB of DDR5-6400. The whole point of this board is a quality entry level AM5 system. Considering the price increase of everything in society in the past 2+ years this is quite a deal for an enthusiast on a tight budget.AMv8(1day) - Tuesday, March 21, 2023 - link
This board will likely be eyed for many pro-sumer server builds, making quad slot DIMM support very relevant for many users. It's an mATX board, without support for one of the signature benefits when going from ITX to ATX.Foeketijn - Tuesday, March 28, 2023 - link
Then they'd better go for the Asrock rack versions. Now also with a half length 1u barebore.Byte - Thursday, March 9, 2023 - link
Thats a good price, with DDR5 prices now at old DDR4 prices, i don't think there is much excuse to go with Ryzen 5000 anymore.TheinsanegamerN - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Except that anyone with an AM4 setup will get better perf/$ by grabbing a 5000/x3d to replace their old 1000/2000 chip, and CPUs last a LONG time in terms of performance.Dolda2000 - Sunday, March 12, 2023 - link
>Thats a good priceI'm sure everyone will just blame "inflation", but I have to say I quite resent the fact that $125 is now considered bottom-tier entry-level.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, March 14, 2023 - link
It is inflation.meacupla - Thursday, March 9, 2023 - link
Only 2 DIMM slots is actually a blessing in disguise when it comes to DDR5.If this board can consistently run DDR5 6400 32T, then it would be a killer at gaming.
However, it's also an asrock, so I don't have high hopes.
blzd - Sunday, March 12, 2023 - link
"DDR5 non-ECC, un-buffered memory up to 6400+(OC)"Up to 6400 (OC) on most cheap DDR5 board essentially means not a chance. The loosest timings possible and extra voltage to even attempt it.
29a - Tuesday, March 14, 2023 - link
What's wrong with Asrock, I've had several of their boards and they have all been rock solid.meacupla - Tuesday, March 14, 2023 - link
Recently?Lying about the VRM on their boards
Overheating VRMs
VRMs that can't handle turbo boost
In the past they had
Thin PCBs that flex
PCBs using fewer layers to cut costs
You won't encounter these problems if you buy their top of the line boards, but their mid to low end boards are usually garbage, and possibly fire hazards.
VoraciousGorak - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Knowing how the B660M-HDV's VRMs performed - as in, VRMs throttling to *below 65 watts* in Techspot's tests - I will wait for the results to come in before risking a bottom-dollar ASRock HDV board.haukionkannel - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
Well, this is not mean to be highend OC board!This is fine with 7600 CPU and stock cooler for low end builds.
If someone want to use 7950x with this... He could chose something, much much better!
7600 will be fine with 65 wats aka perfect target to even really low quality motherboard. Those $150 motherboard that we have now in market (not including the Asus that did drop the ball) will manage 7950x easily!
TheinsanegamerN - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
You dont get it, do you?The previous board throttled everything to 65 watt TDP, and it had negative correlations to performance far outside of typical 65w TDP settings on most boards.
The fact there are better $150 boards does not justify releasing a $125 board if its VRMs are total cr@p like the last one.
meacupla - Saturday, March 11, 2023 - link
B660M-HDV is an intel chipset board. It lacks a heatsink, and it uses a low quality 5 phase VRM for the CPUWhere as the B650M-HDV is an AMD chipset board. It has a heatsink over the VRM, and the VRM is 8-phase for the CPU. Now, as for the quality of the components, but I think we know the answer. The "8", is also probably a "4x2", but that's still a lot better than 5x1 without a heatsink.
AMD 7000 series CPUs are also not as power hungry as Intel 13th gen.
That's not to give asrock a pass, and I would still wait for a detailed review.
29a - Tuesday, March 14, 2023 - link
You're comparing an Intel MB without heatsinks on the VRMs to an AMD MB with heatsinks on the VRMs. You're comparing apples to watermelons.deporter - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
My main concern is that the CPU cooler is going to block access to the top M.2 slot.DanNeely - Friday, March 10, 2023 - link
" But ASRock has still been able to build in a powerful enough VRM system to supports all AM5 processors (including the top-of-the-range Ryzen 9 7950X3D)."You should be referring to the 7950X here, it runs 50W higher power. The X3D part is priced higher but is TDP nerfed due to the extra cache.
lorribot - Sunday, March 12, 2023 - link
"The platform does not have a PCIe 5.0 x16 slot for graphics boards, but there aren't any consumer graphics cards with such interface anyway."Whilst I would not in anyway suggest that it could use PCI-e 5 bandwidth there is a consumer card with a such ability, that statement is technically inaccurate.
https://wccftech.com/chinese-mtt-s80-gaming-graphi...
GreenReaper - Sunday, March 12, 2023 - link
True, but considering it used ~250W to run like a 1030 when Linus Tech Tips tried it, and you can't even buy it without going through contortions and a lottery system, I doubt many consumers will try it.AMv8(1day) - Tuesday, March 21, 2023 - link
... So we're somehow keeping the stupid "Hyper M.2" naming for PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD support, and further dipping into stupid with "Blazing M.2" for PCIe 5.0?Have we seriously learned nothing from the fast/superfast/superspeed/hyperfastsuperspeednextgennewtechnology insanity?
Can we not leverage federal sanctions (perhaps criminal charges?) against this industry for needlessly convoluted, nonsensical, purposely consumer confusing nomenclature?
PUT THE F'ING SPEED IN THE NAME AND LEAVE IT TF ALONE!
Oxford Guy - Friday, March 24, 2023 - link
My favourite is Samsung calling TLC and QLC — MLC.