You'd be hard pressed to build a SFF PC of similar specs, with an INTERNAL PSU, in 13.7L. Comparable SFF sizes will be using an external AC-DV brick and an internal DC-DC (usually 48v-ATX or 19V-ATX) converter in order to achieve a similar form factor, and will be coming in well below the 750W rating here.
SFX PSUs with 750W are easy to find. There are even SFX-L 1000W from Lian-Li, and 1200W from Asus.
Thunderbolt4 for mATX/mITX can be had on: Asus ROG Strix Z690-I Gaming Wifi Asrock Z690 Phantom gaming ITX/TB4 and their Z790 versions These TB4 mobos are very expensive, but it still ends up beating Intel's NUC13 extreme for price.
In fact, I would say that this NUC13 with 13.7L size is a huge disappointment, considering it uses a full custom mobo, and uses air cooling.
It really looks like the NUC project has ended. This is just a normal SFF PC.
I'd also like to mention that it "caters to the gamers and content creators requiring leading edge performance and high-end discrete GPU support." How does it do that? By having a tripple width PCI-E slot? Certainly not by having a useful IGP for those tasks. By having a very hot CPU in a tiny box? How is that helping gamers or content creators? I could stuff a normal PC into a 19" A/V component case and have a better arguement for supporting gamers and content creators.
All perfectly valid questions you're asking. I would add that "gamers and content creators" are two meaningless classifications of people in general. Its market speak that staggering corporate zombies use to vaguely follow dumb labels that spring up around people that are playing video games (duh, that's everyone) or are streaming their games in the desperate hopes of becoming one of the 0.0001% of people that earn a little bit of income doing it. Meanwhile we all can smell the stink on the terminology which has been overused for a few years already.
This is a normal SFF PC that's priced like a laptop. $2000 with 8GB of RAM and another $1189 for an RTX 3080. Literally 4080 pricing for a card you can find online for under $800.
Looking forward to the review as well as more pictures.
The design seems a bit more chonky (Blame the need to house 3 slot GPU). Would be sweet if someone could create a custom loop water to eliminate that GPU surface area cooling required, some sort of integrated radiator in case to bring the size back down.
I actually really like this design if the power supply is integrated and you can fit a decent mid-tier discrete GPU in it. It slots in between SFF and tower, but other SFF only have half height PCIe slots. Industrial design is better than previous generations. Hopefully price isn’t too outrageous.
Not sure why people are saying NUC is dead. Standard NUC’s will be arriving soon enough. Offering unique designs and having more options at different form factors, performance, and price points is good for the customers.
Looking at the pictures, it looks like the PSU is internal. I also doubt there is an external brick powerful enough to drive a i9-13900K and RTX 3080T. I also doubt intel would go for one of those funky dual brick designs that some DTR laptops have used in the past.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Just saw it on SimplyNUC. $2200 to start (8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, no OS) with another $1189 for an RTX 3080. The RTX 3080 doesn't RETAIL for that much, and street prices no longer break $800. This is the stupidest pricing I've seen in two years.
13.7L? That is huge. I understand that it has to fit a triple slot GPU, and power to cater to it, but that's really not that much smaller than triple slot mITX cases. Double slot mITX cases are in the 12L range.
Yeah, building with a similarly configured barebones using a Z690 mITX mobo with DDR5 and TB4 still ends up around $300~350 cheaper than this.
It feels like intel is trying to make a huge margin on these, because they consider it to be their penultimate halo product. Where as, in reality, it just hinders all the selling features of this product.
To be fair this undercuts a decent number of prebuilts and probably has better build quality and reliability of manufacture and shipping than most prebuilts.
If you think of it that way, it's a much easier sell.
I find it interesting that integrating the Marvell 10gbe controller ends up making more sense than repurposing one of their own solutions for it. The only practical benefits I can think of is that this probably uses less power and is a PCIe 4.0 x4 solution.
Looking forward to the full review on this, but as per usual NUC extreme I assume the pricing will make this device make less sense than it otherwise would.
I have been reading articles on this site for 15 years. I may have to stop if they do not turn off these auto-play videos. Super annoying and sounds like my cat is getting into the litter box.
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nandnandnand - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Introducing the Next Unit of Computing: Extended ATX.powerarmour - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
NUC has become it's own meme now, these size increases are just laughable.cbutters - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
the "Next Unit of Computing" a regular sff case that takes a regular GPU... Maybe they should have rebranded for this a little? (I tease)edzieba - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
You'd be hard pressed to build a SFF PC of similar specs, with an INTERNAL PSU, in 13.7L. Comparable SFF sizes will be using an external AC-DV brick and an internal DC-DC (usually 48v-ATX or 19V-ATX) converter in order to achieve a similar form factor, and will be coming in well below the 750W rating here.meacupla - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Not true at all. 13.7L is getting into compact mATX territory.Kaibou ZZaw C2: mATX, 4 slot, 14L
Lian-Li Q58: mITX, 3 slot, 14.5L
Sliger S610: mITX, 3 slot, 13.3L
Dan cases C4-SFX: mITX, 3.5 slot, 13.37L
Louqe Raw S1: mITX, 3 slot, 12L
SFX PSUs with 750W are easy to find. There are even SFX-L 1000W from Lian-Li, and 1200W from Asus.
Thunderbolt4 for mATX/mITX can be had on:
Asus ROG Strix Z690-I Gaming Wifi
Asrock Z690 Phantom gaming ITX/TB4
and their Z790 versions
These TB4 mobos are very expensive, but it still ends up beating Intel's NUC13 extreme for price.
In fact, I would say that this NUC13 with 13.7L size is a huge disappointment, considering it uses a full custom mobo, and uses air cooling.
dwillmore - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
It really looks like the NUC project has ended. This is just a normal SFF PC.I'd also like to mention that it "caters to the gamers and content creators requiring leading edge performance and high-end discrete GPU support." How does it do that? By having a tripple width PCI-E slot? Certainly not by having a useful IGP for those tasks. By having a very hot CPU in a tiny box? How is that helping gamers or content creators? I could stuff a normal PC into a 19" A/V component case and have a better arguement for supporting gamers and content creators.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
All perfectly valid questions you're asking. I would add that "gamers and content creators" are two meaningless classifications of people in general. Its market speak that staggering corporate zombies use to vaguely follow dumb labels that spring up around people that are playing video games (duh, that's everyone) or are streaming their games in the desperate hopes of becoming one of the 0.0001% of people that earn a little bit of income doing it. Meanwhile we all can smell the stink on the terminology which has been overused for a few years already.mukiex - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
This is a normal SFF PC that's priced like a laptop. $2000 with 8GB of RAM and another $1189 for an RTX 3080. Literally 4080 pricing for a card you can find online for under $800.cyrusfox - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Looking forward to the review as well as more pictures.The design seems a bit more chonky (Blame the need to house 3 slot GPU). Would be sweet if someone could create a custom loop water to eliminate that GPU surface area cooling required, some sort of integrated radiator in case to bring the size back down.
flgt - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
I actually really like this design if the power supply is integrated and you can fit a decent mid-tier discrete GPU in it. It slots in between SFF and tower, but other SFF only have half height PCIe slots. Industrial design is better than previous generations. Hopefully price isn’t too outrageous.Not sure why people are saying NUC is dead. Standard NUC’s will be arriving soon enough. Offering unique designs and having more options at different form factors, performance, and price points is good for the customers.
meacupla - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Looking at the pictures, it looks like the PSU is internal. I also doubt there is an external brick powerful enough to drive a i9-13900K and RTX 3080T. I also doubt intel would go for one of those funky dual brick designs that some DTR laptops have used in the past.mukiex - Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - link
> Hopefully price isn’t too outrageous.It's absolutely ridiculous. Just saw it on SimplyNUC. $2200 to start (8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, no OS) with another $1189 for an RTX 3080. The RTX 3080 doesn't RETAIL for that much, and street prices no longer break $800. This is the stupidest pricing I've seen in two years.
meacupla - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
13.7L? That is huge. I understand that it has to fit a triple slot GPU, and power to cater to it, but that's really not that much smaller than triple slot mITX cases.Double slot mITX cases are in the 12L range.
brucethemoose - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Oh I absolutely love that internal layout.... I just wish it wouldn't come at such a premium. I get *why* is more expensive than large form factors, but it still feels counterintuitive.
meacupla - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Yeah, building with a similarly configured barebones using a Z690 mITX mobo with DDR5 and TB4 still ends up around $300~350 cheaper than this.It feels like intel is trying to make a huge margin on these, because they consider it to be their penultimate halo product.
Where as, in reality, it just hinders all the selling features of this product.
lmcd - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
To be fair this undercuts a decent number of prebuilts and probably has better build quality and reliability of manufacture and shipping than most prebuilts.If you think of it that way, it's a much easier sell.
iq100 - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Ganesh T S wrote, "... tau of 28s ..."Sir, what does that mean? Does it belong in technical review?
AWAITING YOUR RESPONSE.
erinadreno - Wednesday, November 9, 2022 - link
Not to be rude but you actually don't know what tau is?DanaGoyette - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
I know it's a Greek letter, but I have no idea what it means in this context either.LouS777 - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
In reading the tech specs, it mentions and option to add additional fans: a fan on the compute unit radiator and fans under the chassis.when you do the review, can you test the usefulness of adding additional fans?
I'd also be curious if there was enough room for a GPU that has the built-in external radiator in the bottom fan slot.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
At this size, the article title should read "Intel Launches Slightly Non-Standard Desktop PC"nandnandnand - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
APUs from both AMD and Intel are about good enough for 1080p gaming. It's time to ditch big cases and GPUs unless you are doing AI.thestryker - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
I find it interesting that integrating the Marvell 10gbe controller ends up making more sense than repurposing one of their own solutions for it. The only practical benefits I can think of is that this probably uses less power and is a PCIe 4.0 x4 solution.Looking forward to the full review on this, but as per usual NUC extreme I assume the pricing will make this device make less sense than it otherwise would.
brucethemoose - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
But they keep making Extreme NUCs, so some people must be buying them at those price points.JasonPainter - Thursday, November 10, 2022 - link
I have been reading articles on this site for 15 years. I may have to stop if they do not turn off these auto-play videos. Super annoying and sounds like my cat is getting into the litter box.nandnandnand - Thursday, November 10, 2022 - link
Try using an ad blocker like the majority of users likely do.Dug - Tuesday, December 6, 2022 - link
I like that it can take 3 m.2 drives and has 2 TB4 ports.I don't see any other sff systems doing that.