All other things being equal, which is probably not the case, this also means longer OLED lifetime and brighter displays. Hopefully this technology is suitable for trickling up to TVs.
No offense but that is a laughably small size, especially for a portable TV. Anything less than 180 inches is an eyesore to say the least. I personally prefer to carry a ZEISS Universarium wherever I go so I can see planets and stars in my leisure time during the day.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that there is a really good chance that these will be used in Apple's upcoming iPhone 13 Pro series. The regular 13 would stick with the current-gen OLED panels, in order to keep profit margins up, while the 13 Pro models with their 120Hz refresh rate would benefit from these Eco²OLED panels increased battery efficiency.
Very poor chance. They're only now starting mass production, can't ramp up that fast. Only needing to make screens for the low volume Z Fold 3 is manageable. The Pro model iPhones are another story
Well oleds really went up since the iPhone X. It is a possibility that apple will get the best of the best but the next gen after 12 Pro is quite a high volume product so it might not be feasible.
I think that this might relate to the rumors of oled iPads (going to going to ahead). Just slaping a todays oled on an iPad would kill the battery or be much dimmer at that size. Not even mentioning that mini LED display iPad Pro what oled would compete with that ?
I don't think the original comment claimed that Apple made its own OLED displays, hence the "It is a possibiltiy that Apple will get the best of the best"? Also, do you know Apple's MiniLED panel has 1000 nits sustained 1600 nits peak brightness?
"Muh more nits" is irrelevant when there are distracting artifacts all over dark screens. Mini"LED" is just a desperate attempt to keep LCD's competitive against OLED and the future Quantum dot / microLED technologies that are being developed.
TBH the only distracting artifacts to me come from OLED burn. Nothing like seeing an extraneous blob or line while viewing a web page or smooth surface... That "blooming" of mini LED is only noticeable in white-on-black end credits and purposely generated test content. I never otherwise notice it in movie/news/desktop content on my iPad
My S10 and buddy's C9 OLED - both 2019 models - look like a fusion of vibrant OLED and subpar LCD. S10 has been used at half-brightness on average 4-5h/day, the C9 closer to max brightness and not as a PC monitor (it doesn't get very bright). Burn-in started for me about a year in, basically any gaming HUDs and web site fixed elements that I've spent considerable time with have left a ghostly trail. Fortunately I knew to expect this going in.
The solutions could include running panels extra dim, not using them that much, alternating with a secondary display, rotating the image, (on TVs) performing panel refreshes... annoyances unbecoming of a premium-priced panel. So rather than aching my head I'm just considering OLED as expensive throwaway tech until proven otherwise. It remains productive if ugly, of course, though so does a cheap LCD. And you just can't know with a 2021 OLED whether it'll look bad until 2022/23, unless someone torture tests it a few months. I know of no OLED that has survived such a test unscathed... see all the past photos on Rtings.
I've never had an issue on burn-in with mobile devices. My screen is on for a handful of hours a day. My phone says 4 hours for today. Usually it is 3-4 hours, but on a lazy weekend it might be 6.
No burn in. I upgrade almost every year, my usage patterns have been similar. I've owned smart phones since before the iPhone and 80% of them weren't LCD.
I have the 12.9” iPad Pro. This mini LED display does NOT have artifacts. In a dark room, if you have a large white area inside of a large black area, you can see a very minor amount of halo. But otherwise, nothing.
And I’ve seen a similar halo with OLED. But the mini LED screen has much better off axis brightness and color that OLED.
I think modern smartphone components are very powerful for an average user. A focus on practical features, efficiency, usability, sustainability should be emphasised going forward. Better battery life is much appreciated.
I don't think the flagships can get any thinner than how thin they currently are, because of all of their camera components. Budget phones could lean more towards getting thinner, and we have seen the Xiaomi Mi 11 Lite suggesting that trend, but only time will tell. I think we still have a ways to go till we eliminate all the bottlenecks in our phones, though, so I'm still for them increasing the performance every year.
I have had to go to realme (oppo) service centers 3 times, because updates kept bricking my phone -- and the no1 complaint of customers is -- my battery runs out quickly. After using most people I know would accept 1-2 mm thicker and 20 to 30 gm heavier phones if they can get a 5000mAH or better battery
Quite on the contrary, I believe that in a not too distant future we will be using them to replace consumer desktop CPU's. Plug them to a monitor, boom, here's a desktop environment.
Had that for years with Samsung Dex. Works really well on an S10, guessing even better on the latest CPUs. The real breakthrough will be if Microsoft can get Windows 11 back on phones. There's a lot of monitors from Dell (and others) with USB C connectivity. Got a 32" Dell that works great with the S10 with the 1 cable. Giving screen+power+usb hub (for keyboard/mouse)+wired internet.
I thought QD-OLED volume production was cancelled or significantly delayed by Samsung Display because Samsung Electronics (the one making the TV) didn't want it. Samsung Electronics either is very close to microLED TV or there is some serious flaw still with QD-OLED.
OLED is likely to be a dead end for many use cases (like monitors) because blue phosphor life just isn't good and very likely never will be. White pixels can only do so much.
Fab. I have prescription sunglasses and the biggest pain is that my Pixel 5 is polarised the correct way for them, but My S10 is polarised so I can only use it in landscape. Nice side-effect of this.
Web browsing? Email? Is this the dawn of the internet? It's all VR these days. If you aren't using fortnite as your messaging app are you still relevant?
Fortnite? When do you get your bus pass? Only old people play fortnite nowadays. It came out over 4 years ago so the first generation of fortnite players are having kids now and changing nappies and comparing pension plans and other things that only old people do.
Widespread adoption of LTPO displays? Isn't that technology owned by Apple? Samsung's version is called HOP and presumably that's the one that other manufacturers can use in their products if their display partner is Samsung Display.
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Sivar - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
All other things being equal, which is probably not the case, this also means longer OLED lifetime and brighter displays. Hopefully this technology is suitable for trickling up to TVs.venyaz - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
You dont usually use your OLED TVs in reflective mode!saf227 - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
What??! I carry my 65" TV with me wherever I go. Who doesn't?Razor54672 - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
No offense but that is a laughably small size, especially for a portable TV. Anything less than 180 inches is an eyesore to say the least. I personally prefer to carry a ZEISS Universarium wherever I go so I can see planets and stars in my leisure time during the day.ChefJeff789 - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Simple fools - I carry a true 70mm IMAX theater everywhere I goUnashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
i point a 6000 lumen projector into my eyesXajel - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
Dude, I usually do that with a telescope pointed to the Sun.BenRacicot - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
Child’s play. I downloaded this webpage in .0000001 nanoseconds as I sit on my Starlink receiver. I can close my eyes and get HBO.programmer_programmer - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
This sounds dangerous to one's eyes and anything else.Dug - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
I wish I could upvote this threadprogrammer_programmer - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link
This sounds dangerous to one's eyes and anything else.GoldenBullet - Wednesday, September 1, 2021 - link
lolNextGen_Gamer - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
I'm going to go ahead and guess that there is a really good chance that these will be used in Apple's upcoming iPhone 13 Pro series. The regular 13 would stick with the current-gen OLED panels, in order to keep profit margins up, while the 13 Pro models with their 120Hz refresh rate would benefit from these Eco²OLED panels increased battery efficiency.Wrs - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Very poor chance. They're only now starting mass production, can't ramp up that fast. Only needing to make screens for the low volume Z Fold 3 is manageable. The Pro model iPhones are another storyeek2121 - Wednesday, September 1, 2021 - link
The pro model iPhones aren't low volume. They account for a large portion of total iPhone sales. You won't see these displays in an iPhone 13.Low volume doesn't really exist for any iPhone to be honest...compared to the rest of the smartphone market.
GC2:CS - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Well oleds really went up since the iPhone X.It is a possibility that apple will get the best of the best but the next gen after 12 Pro is quite a high volume product so it might not be feasible.
I think that this might relate to the rumors of oled iPads (going to going to ahead). Just slaping a todays oled on an iPad would kill the battery or be much dimmer at that size. Not even mentioning that mini LED display iPad Pro what oled would compete with that ?
Thatsamdude - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Modern oleds are better than miniLED. MicroLED is best. Also apple doesnt make their OLEDs, Samsung does...caribbeanblue - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
I don't think the original comment claimed that Apple made its own OLED displays, hence the "It is a possibiltiy that Apple will get the best of the best"? Also, do you know Apple's MiniLED panel has 1000 nits sustained 1600 nits peak brightness?Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
"Muh more nits" is irrelevant when there are distracting artifacts all over dark screens. Mini"LED" is just a desperate attempt to keep LCD's competitive against OLED and the future Quantum dot / microLED technologies that are being developed.Wrs - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
TBH the only distracting artifacts to me come from OLED burn. Nothing like seeing an extraneous blob or line while viewing a web page or smooth surface... That "blooming" of mini LED is only noticeable in white-on-black end credits and purposely generated test content. I never otherwise notice it in movie/news/desktop content on my iPadWereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
It's 2021, not 2014. The more efficient OLEDs get, the less relevant burn-in is going to be relevant (And it wasn't even that relevant back then)Wrs - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
My S10 and buddy's C9 OLED - both 2019 models - look like a fusion of vibrant OLED and subpar LCD. S10 has been used at half-brightness on average 4-5h/day, the C9 closer to max brightness and not as a PC monitor (it doesn't get very bright). Burn-in started for me about a year in, basically any gaming HUDs and web site fixed elements that I've spent considerable time with have left a ghostly trail. Fortunately I knew to expect this going in.The solutions could include running panels extra dim, not using them that much, alternating with a secondary display, rotating the image, (on TVs) performing panel refreshes... annoyances unbecoming of a premium-priced panel. So rather than aching my head I'm just considering OLED as expensive throwaway tech until proven otherwise. It remains productive if ugly, of course, though so does a cheap LCD. And you just can't know with a 2021 OLED whether it'll look bad until 2022/23, unless someone torture tests it a few months. I know of no OLED that has survived such a test unscathed... see all the past photos on Rtings.
eek2121 - Wednesday, September 1, 2021 - link
I've never had an issue on burn-in with mobile devices. My screen is on for a handful of hours a day. My phone says 4 hours for today. Usually it is 3-4 hours, but on a lazy weekend it might be 6.No burn in. I upgrade almost every year, my usage patterns have been similar. I've owned smart phones since before the iPhone and 80% of them weren't LCD.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, September 7, 2021 - link
'The more efficient OLEDs get, the less relevant burn-in is going to be'Citation needed.
The passage of time doesn't necessarily fix fundamental drawbacks in specific areas of tech.
melgross - Wednesday, September 1, 2021 - link
I have the 12.9” iPad Pro. This mini LED display does NOT have artifacts. In a dark room, if you have a large white area inside of a large black area, you can see a very minor amount of halo. But otherwise, nothing.And I’ve seen a similar halo with OLED. But the mini LED screen has much better off axis brightness and color that OLED.
venyaz - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Not only Samsung. LG provides half of iPhone OLED displays, also some of them made by BOERazor54672 - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
I think modern smartphone components are very powerful for an average user. A focus on practical features, efficiency, usability, sustainability should be emphasised going forward. Better battery life is much appreciated.quorm - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Too bad they will just use this as an opportunity to make a slightly thinner phone with a smaller battery.caribbeanblue - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
I don't think the flagships can get any thinner than how thin they currently are, because of all of their camera components. Budget phones could lean more towards getting thinner, and we have seen the Xiaomi Mi 11 Lite suggesting that trend, but only time will tell. I think we still have a ways to go till we eliminate all the bottlenecks in our phones, though, so I'm still for them increasing the performance every year.drajitshnew - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
I have had to go to realme (oppo) service centers 3 times, because updates kept bricking my phone -- and the no1 complaint of customers is -- my battery runs out quickly. After using most people I know would accept 1-2 mm thicker and 20 to 30 gm heavier phones if they can get a 5000mAH or better batteryWereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Quite on the contrary, I believe that in a not too distant future we will be using them to replace consumer desktop CPU's. Plug them to a monitor, boom, here's a desktop environment.Wereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
And yes I'm aware this exists, but I mean as a real trend, not an under-developed curiositydontlistentome - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Had that for years with Samsung Dex. Works really well on an S10, guessing even better on the latest CPUs.The real breakthrough will be if Microsoft can get Windows 11 back on phones. There's a lot of monitors from Dell (and others) with USB C connectivity. Got a 32" Dell that works great with the S10 with the 1 cable. Giving screen+power+usb hub (for keyboard/mouse)+wired internet.
dontlistentome - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Samsun have done some deal with MS to support the Windows 365 (started around when the S10 came out, looks like it's finally getting somewhere).drajitshnew - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
Have you considered that below the true 1000$ battery almost every Phone has USB 2 in USB CGC2:CS - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Does that mean we are getting rid of oleds coppery flares sparkles and greenish hues under sunlight ?If LCD was good in one area it was “so black you cant tell where the turned off display ends” thingy.
Spunjji - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Sounds like it!zamroni - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
It's good reading below.IEEE predicts quantum dot based display will be the future over oled.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/your-guide-to-television...
coburn_c - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Quantum Dots still need a light source dummyWereweeb - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
No they don't dummy. There are self-emissive QD's being developed.Thatsamdude - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
Samsung is already manufacturing QD-OledsAnd the future is undisputably MicroLED
wr3zzz - Monday, August 16, 2021 - link
I thought QD-OLED volume production was cancelled or significantly delayed by Samsung Display because Samsung Electronics (the one making the TV) didn't want it. Samsung Electronics either is very close to microLED TV or there is some serious flaw still with QD-OLED.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, September 7, 2021 - link
OLED is likely to be a dead end for many use cases (like monitors) because blue phosphor life just isn't good and very likely never will be. White pixels can only do so much.dontlistentome - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Fab. I have prescription sunglasses and the biggest pain is that my Pixel 5 is polarised the correct way for them, but My S10 is polarised so I can only use it in landscape. Nice side-effect of this.DougMcC - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
Sure ... but who uses their phone in portrait orientation these days? Is it 2010 again?RSAUser - Tuesday, August 31, 2021 - link
I think I put my phone in landscape maybe once a week, rest of the time web browsing, messaging, e-mail, etc. it's in portrait...DougMcC - Friday, September 3, 2021 - link
Web browsing? Email? Is this the dawn of the internet? It's all VR these days. If you aren't using fortnite as your messaging app are you still relevant?Tomatotech - Friday, September 10, 2021 - link
Fortnite? When do you get your bus pass? Only old people play fortnite nowadays. It came out over 4 years ago so the first generation of fortnite players are having kids now and changing nappies and comparing pension plans and other things that only old people do.Igor_Kavinski - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Widespread adoption of LTPO displays? Isn't that technology owned by Apple? Samsung's version is called HOP and presumably that's the one that other manufacturers can use in their products if their display partner is Samsung Display.melgross - Wednesday, September 1, 2021 - link
Apple invented it, but Samsung has now copied it. We’ll see it in iPhones this year.artifex - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
Cool, I might actually be able to read the screen while wearing sunglasses with polarized lenses, then.