EVGA for Ryzen is pretty good. BUT Ryzen CPUs are a chore to tinker with, tons of CTR to check core voltages and good and bad cores lol, Corerecycler and PBO with CO to check for rounding errors and debugging all on top of the lack of documentation for the Processors and X570 chipset from AMD and the biggest issue is temperature based scaling when paired with the dynamic clock behavior it's a mess. If we force them into running at a fixed clock the XFR based high clock boost is gone. Then we have this WHEA errors, USB chipset related issue, yeah it's still not yet resolved for 1.2.0.3 AGESA.
DRAM tuning is busted on both AMD and Intel, RKL is the first Intel processor which is horrible in IMC, it's same as AMD now, G1 G2, and that unable to even POST and Boot with the DDR4 4000MHz kits, even 3866 is a loong shot and a huge luck of draw.
It's more of a better than nothing, esp when EVGA BIOS is up in the top and the HW support. And esp if EVGA board is more stable than the rest of the HW this will be solid, but who is going to buy now ? Z590 DARK has been announced and still not yet in sight since 7 months. This will arrive in Q4 for sure, on top ADL leaks point out already strong Cinebench R20 performance with just 24T of 12900K vs 32T of 5950X, at 11K pts and 10K pts respectively. Out of cycle. Maybe V-Cache Zen 3+ is the target for EVGA. Since that is going to compete with Intel ADL platform. And Zen 4 will compete against Raptor Lake in 2022 Q4.
Ryzen is fine for tinkering it just depends on what you mean by tinkering. If you set some PBT voltages like PPT etc and voltage curve then its fine. You can actually get a lot from just tinkering with PBO settings. If you mean manually tweaking voltages and frequencies then yeah those days are over. I actually got a decent amount of extra perf from a negative 25 undervolt via the PBO voltage curve. Less voltage means more all core clock headroom. Not as satisfying as tweaking a 2500k back in the day but doable.
Oh look, it's another grab-bag of every gripe about Ryzen you could find on various forums! What a surprise.
Not everybody wants to tinker with their CPU - most of us appreciate getting close to the best possible performance out of the box. If you do insist on tinkering, it being a "chore" is kind of the point...
Yeah it used to be you could buy a low- to mid-range chip and a similarly affordable board and get large gains even with a relatively pedestrian build. Now they're squeezing so much out of them stock there aren't gobs of extra headroom. You can get more if you get high-end supporting components, but at that point you might as well just put the extra money on a higher-end CPU and GPU from the start.
With that said, there is some value for enthusiasts with decent cooling in fiddling with auto overclocking mechanisms (such as PBO and AOC), maybe combined with some slight undervolting.
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Silver5urfer - Wednesday, July 14, 2021 - link
EVGA for Ryzen is pretty good. BUT Ryzen CPUs are a chore to tinker with, tons of CTR to check core voltages and good and bad cores lol, Corerecycler and PBO with CO to check for rounding errors and debugging all on top of the lack of documentation for the Processors and X570 chipset from AMD and the biggest issue is temperature based scaling when paired with the dynamic clock behavior it's a mess. If we force them into running at a fixed clock the XFR based high clock boost is gone. Then we have this WHEA errors, USB chipset related issue, yeah it's still not yet resolved for 1.2.0.3 AGESA.DRAM tuning is busted on both AMD and Intel, RKL is the first Intel processor which is horrible in IMC, it's same as AMD now, G1 G2, and that unable to even POST and Boot with the DDR4 4000MHz kits, even 3866 is a loong shot and a huge luck of draw.
It's more of a better than nothing, esp when EVGA BIOS is up in the top and the HW support. And esp if EVGA board is more stable than the rest of the HW this will be solid, but who is going to buy now ? Z590 DARK has been announced and still not yet in sight since 7 months. This will arrive in Q4 for sure, on top ADL leaks point out already strong Cinebench R20 performance with just 24T of 12900K vs 32T of 5950X, at 11K pts and 10K pts respectively. Out of cycle. Maybe V-Cache Zen 3+ is the target for EVGA. Since that is going to compete with Intel ADL platform. And Zen 4 will compete against Raptor Lake in 2022 Q4.
duploxxx - Wednesday, July 14, 2021 - link
pssst: It's a rumor of the highest categoryhttps://www.guru3d.com/news-story/alder-lake-s-sam...
just like your typical 100% bullshit comments just grabbed from anything you can find on reddit. The typical internet copy/past crowd
FreckledTrout - Wednesday, July 14, 2021 - link
Ryzen is fine for tinkering it just depends on what you mean by tinkering. If you set some PBT voltages like PPT etc and voltage curve then its fine. You can actually get a lot from just tinkering with PBO settings. If you mean manually tweaking voltages and frequencies then yeah those days are over. I actually got a decent amount of extra perf from a negative 25 undervolt via the PBO voltage curve. Less voltage means more all core clock headroom. Not as satisfying as tweaking a 2500k back in the day but doable.Spunjji - Thursday, July 15, 2021 - link
Oh look, it's another grab-bag of every gripe about Ryzen you could find on various forums! What a surprise.Not everybody wants to tinker with their CPU - most of us appreciate getting close to the best possible performance out of the box. If you do insist on tinkering, it being a "chore" is kind of the point...
Spunjji - Thursday, July 15, 2021 - link
That 11K score is also something somebody made up by multiplying a previous score rumour by the current clock speed rumour. Rumour squared...Ashinjuka - Thursday, July 15, 2021 - link
DORK editionGigaplex - Thursday, July 15, 2021 - link
With dynamic boosting on modern hardware, there's very little reason to tinker unless you're doing hardcore overclocking just for the sake of it.Alexvrb - Sunday, July 18, 2021 - link
Yeah it used to be you could buy a low- to mid-range chip and a similarly affordable board and get large gains even with a relatively pedestrian build. Now they're squeezing so much out of them stock there aren't gobs of extra headroom. You can get more if you get high-end supporting components, but at that point you might as well just put the extra money on a higher-end CPU and GPU from the start.With that said, there is some value for enthusiasts with decent cooling in fiddling with auto overclocking mechanisms (such as PBO and AOC), maybe combined with some slight undervolting.
umano - Monday, July 26, 2021 - link
I have to agree I am afraid, I have a 5950x and I cannot even se IF to 1800 mhz with a 3x120 radiator on an asrock x570 creatorshabby - Wednesday, July 14, 2021 - link
Will this be a mid range board costing $600?Hxx - Wednesday, July 14, 2021 - link
just wish evga would get back again into making some mini itx board models.