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  • shabby - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link

    16c/gb for qlc lolololotrololololol
  • austinsguitar - Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - link

    HAHA look guys. he said QLC! see look... nobody cares. samsung kinda proved that qlc can be rather good if done correctly. i see too much of this QLC bad all over the place. do you want high capacity or not?
  • deil - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link

    As any tech can be done right or wrong.
    QLC and PLC is future, they just need to still work on it. I bet every tech had this kind of hate, 4g had mind control, 5g had pandemic and mind control, 3g had mind control.
    like people laughed at early ssd's that its pointless to make 16 or 32GB drives when you can have 1TB HDD!.
  • romrunning - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link

    Yeah, but QLC & PLC significantly lowers performance, while 5G can actually increase performance.
  • Oxford Guy - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link

    'can be rather good'

    Nope.

    30% more density for a much higher increase in voltage states is not good. It's diminished returns.

    Add to that how QLC is undermining consumer value by raising the price of TLC (via reducing its economy of scale) and you have anti-value.

    The only gain is for the people peddling this stuff. They get to charge artificially high prices by reducing TLC's economy of scale. If they sell both they get to raise the price of both.

    Samsung pioneered fraudulently labeling QLC 'MLC', though.
  • edzieba - Thursday, April 1, 2021 - link

    Exact same complaints were made about TLC, and before that MLC. None of the doom and gloom around either has materialised, just as none of the doom and gloom over QLC has been borne out by test data. Yes, really cheap QLC SSDs with no DRAM can be slow, cheap DRAMless TLC SSDs are also slow.
  • Tomatotech - Friday, April 2, 2021 - link

    Yes, QLC *can* be very fast for huge SSDs. They get speed by folding much of their space into SLC (yes, SLC *gasp* Single Layer Cell), which is exactly what TLC drives do to get their speed. Not every QLC drive does this, and the fold size varies.

    But I would love to have a cheap 8TB QLC drive that can be half full (4 TB of data) and still have a whole TB of SLC space empty and waiting to be used. This is entirely feasible and will be here within the year or so (at a price) and will only get cheaper after it arrives.
  • Oxford Guy - Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - link

    Please put QLC in the title so we know to skip the article.
  • Xajel - Thursday, April 1, 2021 - link

    Only DELTA is QLC, the GAMMA is TLC..

    Regardless of that, Mushkin is a no go for me, I wouldn't trust them with my data.
  • Samus - Friday, April 2, 2021 - link

    People said the same thing about TLC 5 years ago, and MLC 10 years ago...
  • RSAUser - Wednesday, April 7, 2021 - link

    Some did and were all assuaged by the fact that they had pretty good writes per day warranties, QLC is not the same as it's about the same price as TLC drives.
  • peevee - Friday, April 2, 2021 - link

    What's up with 25c/GB? Did I miss something and there is a new price fixing going on?

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