nope youre out. I had the g4. bootloop. now im using a v20. only because the battery swapping is awesome. shame they didnt continue with that. the rear camera glass is crap and cracks nonstop. this one reviewed will is also looking like it will break.
shame. next phone....ta da asus rog 2. im done with LG.
They made really interesting phones like the V20, now it's all garbage they look all like copies of cheap Chinese phones, to be fair it's the case of almost all phones now, less features and ugly screens, what we used to call dead pixels is now acceptable, people seem to be blind sheep now...
It's just like the netbook phenomenon, they're making low-spec versions that LOOK like flagship phones, but selling them for full price!....and in this case "at zero dollars" when you purchase with a contract. So you're on the hook for $500 for a brand new crappy budget LG/Samsung phone with 3GB RAM specifically created for suckers like you.
Yes consumers are really dumb, but review sites are the real guilty party.
Nobody should have stood for $999-1400 phones, as consumers we make the economy turn, demand cheap $140 phones like the Realme X which isn't sold in the west, instead Oppo pushes their Reno/OnePlus for $500-1000 even though it's literally almost the exact same thing.
Or $299 like the Nexus 5 or OnePlus 1.
If the phone is $999+ it better be amazing and have a 5 year warranty at minimum.
Exactly. Apple dictates everything now, whatever they do gets free pass. A dead pixel zone for 3 years+ people are fine with that bullshit. And removal of I/O is also great, in computers like Macs, Soldered trash, Surface Book whatever that abomination is again lacking 3.5mm jack.
Apple's democracy ruined the tech market, $200 earphones which are throwable after 1-2 years max same like a smartphone. What a bunch of bullshit.
I still have the V10 and use the V20. Love both phones, hate the company that made em. Both those phones have a feature set that you cannot find in any other mobile except maybe the Chinese brands (that no one in the west wants a part of). QAD DAC, Removable batteries, 3.5mm Jack, IR Blaster, 2nd always-on-display, FM Radio, True Dual-sim+SD, rugged non-glass back, easily repairable. All great features that if a phone manufacturer reproduced today with upgrades to Processor, RAM, cooling, and display would be a Samsung killer for sure. But LG being such a dysfunctional company would find it impossible to pull off.
Yep I suffered 2 G4s with the boot loop, and my current G6's camera lens is broken (although it was -20F outside and in my pocket. I'm on the "never again" train too.
Just from the spec sheet alone, this already looks kinda disappointing. Good to see the battery gets better, but it took a 1080p60hz panel and a 5000Mah battery. V60 will remain one of the top choices for those wanting a headphone jack, but otherwise I don't see any reason to buy this over say an Oneplus. They *really* need to ditch LG displays.
So other then great battery life and a headphone jack, you cant think why someone would want one of these over a oneplus.
Seems like you have found two great reasons right there. And honestly, 1080p isnt enough on a sub 7" screen? I can barely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at this size, let alone 1440p or higher. Just a ton of useless pixels you wont see 99% of the time draining the battery, which you WILL notice 99% of the time.
Myself, it's a matter of price. For £400 more than my current SIM only package (over 24 months) I can get an S10. That's a VERY hard deal to beat. I'm currently paying £2.50 a month more than if I got on a decent 24 month contract as I've been awaiting the 5G rollout to upgrade, so I'm on a monthly contract with unlimited data. So any phone has to be available at £400 or less before even consideration as the S10 is the benchmark.
Agree on the useless pixels. Either the people are near-sighted and don't use glasses when looking at the screens, or just go by "bigger is better" attitude of self-delusion (claiming the see the difference without a double blind test).
That's a lot of money to pay for a phone with a battery that isn't easily replaced. Kind of a pity since it doesn't really help make phones better in some meaningful way by stopping the user from yanking out and installing a fresh battery after it starts to get tired less than a year later.
Agreed, although with a capacity and runtime like that "tired in less then a year" doesnt apply. It isnt 2005 anymore.
after 4 years my moto z play still has great battery life and is only just now starting to falter. Even so I agree on the price, no way I'd pay $900 for a phone.
It's probably more of a symptom of the phones that I end up using, but I do find myself on an annual-ish replacement cycle for batteries regardless of the design and that means keeping a small set of specialized tools plus rolling the dice with replacement batteries. That is present day experience though rather than one from fifteen years ago when, in fact, my cell phone battery retained its endurance for quite a bit longer due mainly to the fact that it was necessary to charge the battery once a week or so rather than daily.
My work gives us iPhones. While 3-4 hours runtime is the norm for them, I never had one lose appreciable battery life after less then 3 years outside of the 6s’ faulty one.
My personal phones have been a moto z play and before that a note 4 with a 10,000 mah zero lemon battery. The moto is showing signs of wear after nearly 4 years, the note never showed signs of wear. Before that was a dumb phone that went many years on the original battery.
I should note all my personal phones went at least 3 days on a charge when new, with the dumb phone pasting 2 weeks and the note lasting 7-8 days. The moto z play goes 3-4, but I was forced to upgrade, Id’ve stuck with the note 4 if I could.
If I leave my phone alone, it will generally sit idle for close to four days without requiring a recharge. That is a rare thing though since I tend to put my phone to use doing just about everything I used to do on my computer. Mine tends to be busy most of the day with web activity, e-mail, lengthy writing (always working on the next novel), watching videos, streaming radio or running local music, playing a few games - mainly emulators of 8- and 16-bit consoles but sometimes a few native Android games as well so I rarely end the day without charging. Since lockdown and staying at home became a thing, I've just let my phone connected to a charger almost constantly and that's been nice.
Brings me back to the point though. I usually see well over a 30% drop in battery life over the course of a year and that's annoying enough to warrant an annual replacement which is never fun thanks to spudgers, tiny hex screws and so on. It isn't the most tedious thing I get to do, but it would be a LOT better to simply make the battery removable.
Yeah, I've owned about 15 phones over the years. Never once have I experienced severe battery degradation. I think it exists mostly inside people's heads. It's much more likely that your usage patterns or software have changed, or just that you haven't noticed your battery running down constantly. You're not likely to notice a 20% drop, that's like 4 hours instead of 5... The way people talk it's like their "phone doesn't hold a charge anymore" ... Never really happened to me.
Not true. There are some problems here. In 2 years I see clear battery degradation . Try an app and you will see. All my phones after 1.5-2 years are at 25% battery degradation . That leaves 75% usable.
Also in 2 years apps get bigger and bigger eating core ram and battery . So you will see SOT and standby degradation .
It is not huge but it is. From 12 -15 hous to 10 house usage time it's a difference that MAY create discomfort .
The above are correct only if you are a heavy user. ....
I am a heavy user, constantly streaming audio and often video on my phone, and after 4 years its gone from 12 hours of SoT to 9.5. Losing 25% over 4 years isnt too bad.
Bigger batteries are always welcome.
People also need to wean themselves off of fast charging. The heat generated from rapid charging wears down batteries faster. There's a reason most iphone batteries last as long as they do: they are still using their 5 watt chargers and the batteries dont even get warm.
With the ever growing battery capacities charging only overnight is truly viable. And the reduced number of charge cycles also extends battery life by several years.
Apps DO NOT 'get bigger and bigger'. Games, if you're playing any cutting edge games (whatever that means on mobile) maybe. But NO.
The most common cause on my phones over time is that Android resets Google preferences that run in the background. You shouldn't have much of anything else running in the background so it doesn't matter how 'big' your apps get for battery life, except when you're using them.
And of course batteries age. But my s8 started out pretty big (compare to iphone 6, wow!) and is still going strong in year 3 or whatever this is now. Which is a shame, I'd like to switch back to apple actually, but I'm too frugal to give up on this phone.
I got myself and the wife the dual screen version of the v60. They were 899 BOGO. 450 seemed reasonable to me. We replaced our v30s that we never had issues with. We had gotten the v30s BOGO and each one had a rebate for a projector. The v30s replaced the g4s we got BOGO and we had those for 25 months until one did the boot loop but after 25 months we needed phones anyways'
As long as I can get em BOGO and dont have issues I will keep getting LG.
I'm so sick and tired of the battery thing. Just stop. It's very easy to replace the battery on most phones, just buy the tools required or take it to a reputable shop.
Why does it matter? Does anyone really regularly do anything with the USB port other than charge the device? Android doesn't have a local back up to a computer like iPhone/iTunes and even on that side it seems like most things happen automatically over wireless/wifi connection anyway. I doubt my wife could name the last time she hooker her android phone up to her computer. With her current phone I'm not even sure if she ever has hooked it up to a computer. For my iPhone I don't think I've ever hooked my current one up to my computer. Last time I upgraded I just used the wizard and it copied over what it needed to for the profile and then automatically reinstalled all the apps.
USB-C is like an incremental upgrade to USB micro.
if I'm actually designing something for scratch that would be perfect for phones, I'd have some kind of waterproof magnetic connector that doesn't have a million pins and giant connectors.
Magnetic would be an interesting addition, but USB also serves as the manner to bootstrap the device once its built and load the OS. So your magnetic connector would also need to do data.
LOLWAT. How is that any better? The big issue with removing the headphone jack is that there is only 1 port, and you cant charge and listen to audio at the same time. Going to just a headphone jack wouldnt make it any better, and no you cannot just charge with "any port", the headphone jack was not designed to charge a phone, let alone charge while also streaming audio.
What would be useful in a mobile phone review is additionally comparing to an older phone of a similar price (at the time) that someone would be upgrading from, hence their interest in looking at a review of a phone. How much faster is the device - is it even worth upgrading if the phone is otherwise okay?
Sounds good except you'd need to compare multiple phones from multiple years, there's no telling if one upgrades annually, biennially, triennially, or...it goes on and on. With Anandtech's interface it's not realistic, but with Notebookcheck's at least you can manually add devices to a comparison list, though that would be once every section, e.g. if you added a device in the CPU section you'd need to add it again for a GPU or battery life comparison. Also older devices may not have been tested by the exact same testing methods, e.g. GB4 is obviously not comparable with GB5, crucially, battery tests are also updated.
Basically that Notebookcheck is better for comparing things to other things than Anandtech - which is true. If I want to kill time reading meandering articles about hardware I will never own, I read AT. If I want to research a product I actually do intend to buy, Notebookcheck is where I go first to get to the actual point.
Yup, with the exception that their battery tests are updated from time to time so you won't get apples to apples battery numbers between equivalent devices across generations, say S20 and S7, which was what psychobriggsy suggested.
I received two v60's free from AT&T when we switched from Sprint. Also received the dual screens for free as well. Using the dual screen all the time can kill your battery within 4hrs. The only irritating thing is if you have it in landscape view, you can accidentally touch the corners of the screen and select whatever is in the corner where you touched. Other than that, it's all good.
No mention of the ESS Quad DAC in the V60 no need to even test but just a mention of them would be good, just a simple one line mention it takes, LG upgraded the DAC chip to ESS9219 from 9218 which was in V30 to V50. And Android 11 destroys the DSD playback. And no mention of the LG's Audio recording modes available in the camera mode either it has HiFi options with Filters for recording in 192KHz with 24Bit in FLAC and Audio playback also has Filters from the DAC directly, same for Pro camera video modes which LG and Sony only offer as well.
And vs OnePlus no other features mentioned at all, what about SD slot ?
Until Apple brings the Pro Video, I think no one even gives a shit about those. All shiny toy things and camera output, that's all matters I guess, every review same mainstream talk.
Color accuracy, no ones gives a shit about them tbh. Look at Samsung Ultra high saturated modes, people only use those. And 90Hz or 120Hz is not a pity at all, its a good option but at the expense of battery life with shitty non removable $1000 consumable piece is it worth ? Nope.
SD card slot, Bootloader unlock, 3.5mm jack and stability of the OS, Software features - Camera modes those are the things which matters most so different sects of the audience.
Sorry I've been on AMOLED Photo since I switched to Samsung, will be looking for something similar once I switch to some other brand from Samsung betraying the jack.
I agree with Quantumz0d, color accuracy isn't something that most people care about, especially when it comes to OLED screens. The Pixel 2 I believe it was, people were losing their shit when Google shipped those with a more accurate color profile, instead of one that "pops". Once they changed things to be ultra saturated, it was still worse than a Samsung AMOLOED panel, but people complained a lot less.
And my mom, she had some cheaper Samsung smartphone, and she was complaining about how the photos she was taking looked like absolute crap. So, I got her a used OnePlus 3T for Christmas last year, since that was still better all around than what she was using. Once I transferred over the photos from her old phone, she was shocked at how amazing those photos suddenly looked! So, it really wasn't so much that the camera was bad on her old phone, it was that she was seeing those oversaturated colors on other OLED screens, and thought that the camera was the issue.
Only a couple of data points, but really, most people stick with the oversaturated colors on Samsung phones as well. So to most people, true color accuracy is meaningless, it's all about the colors that "pop" off the screen.
"The LG Velvet comes in at 599€. Whilst the phone its generally good for its price-point, the biggest issue I have with these premium devices is that 90% of the time you’re just better off buying last year’s flagship phones."
I feel like as difficult it as it is to get updates for a phone, chopping a year off that period of supported software is pretty painful. I'm really not interested in trying to load some custom version of Android, I just want a phone that works.
It's supposed to work, out of the box. Are standard so low these days that people expect phones to automatically break once their software is no longer supported? I just pray that updates don't break my phone. Also flagships should generally be expected to be supported for longer, my backup S6E still got a security update this year(not that I asked for it, but as updates go it kept nagging me to accept), and that was a 2015 device.
My moto z play hasnt recieved any updates in 2 years, still works perfectly. Hell my note 4 still technically works (without carrier support) and that thing is ancient.
I am probably not representative of many here, but I find the "non-contemporary" design of the V60 a big plus. Just having a 3.5 mm connector has become rare amongst the so-called flagship phones. The main issue that make me hesitate to buy another LG is the lack of commitment by the company to keep the OS up-to-date until at least 2023. I've been burned by LG before on that. So, LG, put that commitment in writing, and we might have a deal.
Android phones dont just stop working when OS updates stop, and even Google wouldnt supply updates that long.
My note 4 still loads any modern android app, and its running android 5.0. The apps are still updated and get security updates, the underlying framework doesnt relly matter anymore, anything that does has been tied into the play store by now.
Exactly. The OS app support compat is light years ahead of iOS instead of bending over for the new OS update you can control the phone. And the OS itself is downgrading, people should read on Scoped Storage - It removes your access to your own files, apps need to hit share to make it visible to other apps just like iOS, and folders access doesn't exist, File Management is also hit with this, Developers are hit with this by making POSIX I/O libs optimized for generations are thrown out of window for that SAF abomination with performance hit and a total shitshow on copying Apple. The sad part is no Security updates, that could have been done at CTS level or even Playstore modules but no one cares about that which is what many people would be happier to see.
The HW is excellent man for this device but no battery replacement unfortunately, Note 4 is the last of that tech, Uv sensor, removable battery, solid performance, it's a great device. I still have my SGS with aftermarket battery for it's DAC chip of Wolfson Audio.
As for the OP's design I agree about how the V60 maintains the old fantastic unique look than the iPhone / Chinese bump riddled ugly tile.
1. ToF camera is not 14um it's 1.4 2. It's not USB 2.0 but USB 3.1 since they are both capable of Desktop Mode which requires 3.1 with displayport spec.
My LG V40 is still going strong and it has grown on me quite a bit since I got it shortly after launch at the end of 2018. I received the update to Android 10 and one security update since. I still use it as my day-to-day phone instead of an XS Max. The good news with LG phones is that as long as you are even a little bit patient there is no need to pay list price. I paid $550 for a NIB V40 a month after launch and full price at T-Mobile for the V60 (single screen) is $699.99 now. Without seeing or holding one, at 599€ (and whatever that ends up being in the US), the Velvet is a tough sell though.
>The good news with LG phones is that as long as you are even a little bit patient there is no need to pay list price. Also true for Samsung phones. More people need to see that :) Actually the only exceptions may be Apple and the Chinese phones, everybody else you can expect discounts through certain channels shortly after shipping.
I went from a V30+ to a OnePlus 8. After getting the OnePlus replaced 3 times within 3 weeks i told them i wanted out and got the V60. I got two of them with dual screens for about the same monthly as what the 1+ would have been. I hated the thin candybar shape of the 1+ along with all the troubles that i had with it. I got tired of wasting screen protectors on the 1+.
Interesting but...you completely skipped LG's unique audio and video features, which the Oneplus obviously lacks. Looking forward to an Xperia 1II review :)
There are those of us who only buy LG phones because of that feature. It can drive high impedance cans, it is an entirely different tier than a regular 3.5mm jack.
Is high quality audio going to be like wide color gamut? Ignore it entirely unless Apple tells you it is important?
Look at G7 review and how the author disregarded the DAC, same for G8, in the comments for both, I made significant posts about the lack of the data. I think that's why here we do not see the ESS DAC or any of the LG's world's top smartphone in the Audio aspect doesn't even get a fucking spec list out.
A shame on journalism. When we see Apple's deep SoC SPEC measuring contest where in real life it translates to nothing but dust.
Although I applaud the author for making such a strong point on the 3.5mm jack it's really rare to see, AT is one of those places where there's integrity. SD card slot should also make it to that level of appreciation, sadly with Google fucking up storage I highly doubt we will see that PCIe class SD cards anytime soon when the OEMs are pushing for cloud bs.
The V60 would be a great device to own. If LG would let us buy it! Their marketing and distribution SUCK! Only available in very few countries. Not good enough LG. Lift your game or lose market share big time.
I loved LG G3. It was a true flagship at its time . Qi, huge screen , huge resolution. It was a true flagship killer.
Even the following phones with accessories were standing out of the crowd. It was G5 I believe.
But what on earth are they thinking now. Who in his right mind would buy these pieces of crap while Xiaomi Mi10 is half the price and better in any aspect. Also Samsung from last year is a better choice.
They should stop fighting against Samsung since they are not there anymore. They first should undercut Chinese products and only after that chase Samsung .
Look what One Plus and Xiaomi did. In a few yeats they are top brands but they did not fight Samsung in the first place.
Well, the Xiaomi and other Chinese brands are not really an option in the US unles you like playing russian roulette on network support, especially with VoLTE becoming mandatort in the next year or 2.
I am not singing praises for LG here, because they lock their boot loader tighter than....yeah we will leave it there, but let’s just say that the majority of the problems with boot-looping and other oddities can almost always be traced back to Qualcomm.
Bootlooping shit is dead long time back, V20 and up no issues of that, I have a V30 thankfully it has the Bootloader community unlock as LG didn't because of their higher up mobile chair changes always and mostly due to the US Carrier stranglehold, Samsung NA market phones also no BL unlock at all.
And man my V30 is still running like a champ maybe a little battery deterioration but the Audio performance is almost identical to my desktop DAC+AMP setup (Modi + Alex Cavalli), and the Camera UI is perfect, the phone doesn't have any bullshit notch or deadpixel hole or shit. It just works like how it did out of the box, Oreo is the OS, I have it rooted and removed all bloat like social media bs and installed USB Audio Pro for the bitperfect playback without Android's bullshit 48KHz upsampling trash.
OS updates do not matter to me, when Android 9 ruined the multitasking by copying iPhone (Google is to blame due to their obsession with Apple) and they ruined the DSD playback on 10 and 11, 11 brings that notorious dogshit Scoped Storage which no one mentions because they all are fine with the sandboxed zero user ownership of their own fucking files on their own phone just like an iPhone.
Being limited to carriers with no unlocked version is a huge drag on the V60. I applaud LG for building a simple devvice without silly resolutions and curved screens, instead opting for decent bezels to protect the fragile screen and a big battery for long runtimes, but I'm never buying a carrier locked phone again.
The other elephant in the room is the price. $900 is a lot of money. That's almost 2 mortgage payments. Phones like the moto G power have a worse camera, but the same size battery and even longer runtimes, for $250. Sure its only got a SD665, but its more then enough for 99% of use cases and costs a quarter of the V60.
I hope LG has great success with the V60 and it leads them to make more of these simple designs, but I feel it's kneecapped before it even starts the race.
I agree, and man no Bootloader unlock on US SKUs either, it's the same old shitshow that US Carriers are having on the NA market, a big middlefinger to the consumer. A shame to be honest, LG hardware is #1 but their BL unlock situation is worse. OS updates is a hot topic many want them for some reason but in reality Android is moving away from it's openness on the OS principles one of it is APK bundling which is mandated by Google to make devs certify their own apps by Google isntead of them, keys to the castle for the apps. Then they have this scoped bullshit storage which ruins the whole Android FS and makes hard for developers to use Java and other POSIX based I/O libs to that performance hog and limited SAF, it destroys Android on a whole another level read on it, It's just Apple type grip. Security updates should at-least have been made mandatory by Google at CTS level for 3-5 years that would be a MUCH simple task than to support mega OS downgrades. It's a sham, they all want money if the phone doesn't stop why will anyone buy a new phone ?
I think LG is among the best at camera performance even with the not very ambitious hardware. For years, from the G2 through the V30, the camera barely changed.
They squeezed a LOT of life out of those tiny camera sensors, so it's no surprise to me they did well with the much better GM2/IMX686 sensors, even though they should theoretically pale compared to the ultra ambitious HM1 sensor in the S20U, or the IMX689 on the OnePlus.
I don't thin the LG Velvet has OIS in their cameras. I think the reviewer has made an error. This will be reflected in Andrei's performance review and year end bonus.
All i see is a bunch of cry babies in the comment section. Still yappin about the G4 bootloop issue. But, they never say anything about LG's customer service and free 2 year promise with the 1 year warranty already with the phone. Also, you can call LG and send in your G4 and theylle replace the logic board for free. I just got my fixed for free last year. As long as the phones screen isn't cracked and the phone is in good condition, LG will fix it for free. But, poeple have to let the bootloop thing go. It's been 5 years. Get over it. So, anyway i walked into a T-Mobile store to buy a new sim card for my fixed LG G4 and seen the V20 for $900. This was in Jan. 2017. I really liked the look and the only flagship SD820 phone out there with a removable battery was a perfect fit for me. Doing a lot of video content and such. But, i wasn't going to pay $900. So i held on to my G4, and a year later, there was the LG V20 brand new for $200 on ebay (from a reputable seller). I don't mind waiting a year or getting last years flagship phone for almost a quarter of the price. So, i bought the V20 with 2 extra batteries, a true OEM screen replacement for accidents, cause they do happen and a tripod. Also knowing that you do not remove the protective sticker off of the camera lens because it will crack. But, another great thing about the V20 was the phones repairability. With 1 micro screwdriver, the phone can be completely disassembled for repair. Thanks to Jerry Rig Everything for the teardown vids. He also gage the V20 an award for the easiest repairability. Also, the V20 is surprisingly durable. LG is the mainstream smartphone manufacturer that gives it flagship phones a MLT-810G transit drop rating. That let you know you can do more with the phone, like climb Mt Everest and when you get to the top and oull out your phone, it wil still work. They did it with the V30. But, enough about the V20. I wanted a newer phone and it Jan 2020. And i'm not paying $1,400 for a smartphone. That's ludicrous. Once again i jumped on ebay to my favorite vendor that's has truly Unlocked phones and not just a GSM unlocked sprint or At&t phone. I came across a brand new fully unlocked LG V40 (QA7) for $250. It was just $200 but, i missed the sale. He had one left and it came with a brand new (open box) $60 Otterbox Defender series (screenless edition) case and a pair of LG Tone Pro's worth $100. Even though, the Unlocked version comes with a pair of decent earbuds in the box. Those can be used for back up. I wanted the V50 but, everyone wanted $450 for'em at the time. They've dropped to $350 now, but, i'm only willing to pay about $300 max for a phone. Like i said, i'm a very patient person and don't mind running last years flagship or the year before that. As long as the phone is new and under $300. So, i'm a bargain shopper, kill me... The SD845 is plenty fast and the Adreno 630 (512ALU's) runs any AAA mobile game out there at 30 or 60 fps or whichever the game is set to run at. Also, another biggie was XDA has gained root on the V40 so, i was able to create a thermal.conf.file and change the thermal throttle temps so that famous LG micro stutter goes away. The V50 doesn't have this problem but, come to think of it, my V40 didn't ever get hot or thetmalw throttle itself. But, I'm a tinkerer and like to set my phone up my way. So i set the thermal throttle temps on the GPU and CPU. Time for modding the kernal or just making one. I got the ASUS ROG phone 1 clock mod and applied it to the my V40. Niw i have a SD845+. The Adreno 630 GPU is running at 725MHz and get about 900GFlops matching a stock Adreno 640 (768ALU's) clocked at 625MHz. The 4 HP A75/Kryo cores are running at 2.96GHz and have no issue doing so. What about the battety, well this specific LG V40 is a replacement phone for lost and stolen phones for LG's 2 year promise warranty. Can't have a extra 2 Year warranty without backup phones to give customers, right. So, when i went to check the iMEI the phone was manufactured on Dec.5th 2109 and shipped from LG's warehouse on the 10th. Making the specific V40 only 7months old. So, the battery is new. Using Acuutebattery after about a month of charge cycles says its health is at 125% and is comparable to a 4100mAh battery. And it's not lying. I get 9 to 10 hours on that little 3300mAh battery, with moderate to heavy use. Plus, i'm running a modified version of Stock Android 10 with some of LG's stick apps in there. That with the overclocks to the CPU and GPU bring this phone up to a SD855 level. Benchmarks aren't my thing but, i had to test it. It gets an easy 400,000 points. 170,000 for the GPU and 130,000 for the CPU. No other SD845 device comes close to that. My V40 was never slow or throttled. The newer silicon definitely didn't hurt matters. But, LG gets put in the shadow for no reason. They are great phones even out the box. I've been with LG and T-Mobile since the first quad core phone that came with the original Transformers movie. The Optimus G. Remember those. Was a great phone. I still have it and it does work.i actually wrote a longer version of this but, didn't want to bore the non-readers with a autophoneagraphy. But, from the manual 4K60 OIS/EIS video recording. Which with ROOT can lift the 6min limit and use both OIS and EIS while doing so. And everyone knows LG has the audio goods. From the ESS SABRE qDAC to the 2Vrms 3.5mm headphone jack that can easily push my 650Ω Senheiser 800HD's with volume to spare. From the V20 and G6 on up. There are great phones. Buying a phone that was released 2 years ago but, built just 7 months ago was a lucky thing for me but, still. A 1 or 2 year old flagship for a Quarter od the price is the way to go for me. Though, i'm might get the V50 or wait for the V70 because the V60 only has a 1080p display. Gotta have my 2K or 3K. The V50 is still $350 right now but, it'll drop. It has a 4000mAh battery and a Vapor chamber along with the SD855 and Adreno 640. Which i know i can turn into a SD855+ with the Adreno 640 pushing just over 1Teraflop of FP32 compute. I never thought i'd see 3GHz CPU's in SOC's that couod have sustainability and thermal issues. But, the SD865+ is here. Though, running a SD845/+ or SD855/+ at 2.96GHz is plenty enough for me. That with a 1 Teraflop GPU. Anyway, i herd there was going to be a LG Velvet with a SD845. That, i wlukd buy. Once it dropped in price. Well i'm tired and i gotta get back to this online money. This was a good but, somewhat a little off review. Anandtech isna great site and they do awesome work.
Great review of a company that treats consumers with about as much regard as a piece of dog shit on the bottom of your shoe. The V60 has such a limited release that trying to buy one outside of the US, Canada, and some European countries is impossible. The Velvet feels like a downgraded V60. LG need to lift their game in listening to consumers and marketing. They're an awful company.
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rocketman122 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
"The Snapdragon 765"nope youre out. I had the g4. bootloop. now im using a v20. only because the battery swapping is awesome. shame they didnt continue with that. the rear camera glass is crap and cracks nonstop. this one reviewed will is also looking like it will break.
shame. next phone....ta da asus rog 2. im done with LG.
Xex360 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
They made really interesting phones like the V20, now it's all garbage they look all like copies of cheap Chinese phones, to be fair it's the case of almost all phones now, less features and ugly screens, what we used to call dead pixels is now acceptable, people seem to be blind sheep now...flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
It's just like the netbook phenomenon, they're making low-spec versions that LOOK like flagship phones, but selling them for full price!....and in this case "at zero dollars" when you purchase with a contract. So you're on the hook for $500 for a brand new crappy budget LG/Samsung phone with 3GB RAM specifically created for suckers like you.Yes consumers are really dumb, but review sites are the real guilty party.
Nobody should have stood for $999-1400 phones, as consumers we make the economy turn, demand cheap $140 phones like the Realme X which isn't sold in the west, instead Oppo pushes their Reno/OnePlus for $500-1000 even though it's literally almost the exact same thing.
Or $299 like the Nexus 5 or OnePlus 1.
If the phone is $999+ it better be amazing and have a 5 year warranty at minimum.
Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Exactly. Apple dictates everything now, whatever they do gets free pass. A dead pixel zone for 3 years+ people are fine with that bullshit. And removal of I/O is also great, in computers like Macs, Soldered trash, Surface Book whatever that abomination is again lacking 3.5mm jack.Apple's democracy ruined the tech market, $200 earphones which are throwable after 1-2 years max same like a smartphone. What a bunch of bullshit.
Dave_S - Sunday, August 2, 2020 - link
I still have the V10 and use the V20. Love both phones, hate the company that made em. Both those phones have a feature set that you cannot find in any other mobile except maybe the Chinese brands (that no one in the west wants a part of). QAD DAC, Removable batteries, 3.5mm Jack, IR Blaster, 2nd always-on-display, FM Radio, True Dual-sim+SD, rugged non-glass back, easily repairable. All great features that if a phone manufacturer reproduced today with upgrades to Processor, RAM, cooling, and display would be a Samsung killer for sure. But LG being such a dysfunctional company would find it impossible to pull off.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Just hijacking this comment to laugh at LG.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
SNAPDRAGON 765 FOR $599 or whatever insane price... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Try like $149!
Fulljack - Wednesday, July 22, 2020 - link
cheapest SD765 is Redmi K30 5G at $220how you come up with arbitrary $149 baffles me
AdhesiveTeflon - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Yep I suffered 2 G4s with the boot loop, and my current G6's camera lens is broken (although it was -20F outside and in my pocket. I'm on the "never again" train too.hanselltc - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Just from the spec sheet alone, this already looks kinda disappointing. Good to see the battery gets better, but it took a 1080p60hz panel and a 5000Mah battery. V60 will remain one of the top choices for those wanting a headphone jack, but otherwise I don't see any reason to buy this over say an Oneplus. They *really* need to ditch LG displays.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
So other then great battery life and a headphone jack, you cant think why someone would want one of these over a oneplus.Seems like you have found two great reasons right there. And honestly, 1080p isnt enough on a sub 7" screen? I can barely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at this size, let alone 1440p or higher. Just a ton of useless pixels you wont see 99% of the time draining the battery, which you WILL notice 99% of the time.
philehidiot - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Myself, it's a matter of price. For £400 more than my current SIM only package (over 24 months) I can get an S10. That's a VERY hard deal to beat. I'm currently paying £2.50 a month more than if I got on a decent 24 month contract as I've been awaiting the 5G rollout to upgrade, so I'm on a monthly contract with unlimited data. So any phone has to be available at £400 or less before even consideration as the S10 is the benchmark.flyingpants265 - Sunday, July 19, 2020 - link
Not a fan of S10's curved screen edges. Still annoying.What I needed was OP7, Samsung, or LG G4/G8, or Realme X.. with blackshark style front speakers, and no other missing features.
flyingpants265 - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link
Well... True, honestly.I'm no fan of LG, their phones are defective. And I want a phone with front speakers.
But this looks like a OP8 with headphone jack. Or S10 with no stupid curved screen.
The second Samsung, LG or OnePlus make a flagship phone with front stereo speakers, I'll be all over it.
peevee - Friday, July 24, 2020 - link
Agree on the useless pixels. Either the people are near-sighted and don't use glasses when looking at the screens, or just go by "bigger is better" attitude of self-delusion (claiming the see the difference without a double blind test).PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
That's a lot of money to pay for a phone with a battery that isn't easily replaced. Kind of a pity since it doesn't really help make phones better in some meaningful way by stopping the user from yanking out and installing a fresh battery after it starts to get tired less than a year later.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Agreed, although with a capacity and runtime like that "tired in less then a year" doesnt apply. It isnt 2005 anymore.after 4 years my moto z play still has great battery life and is only just now starting to falter. Even so I agree on the price, no way I'd pay $900 for a phone.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
It's probably more of a symptom of the phones that I end up using, but I do find myself on an annual-ish replacement cycle for batteries regardless of the design and that means keeping a small set of specialized tools plus rolling the dice with replacement batteries. That is present day experience though rather than one from fifteen years ago when, in fact, my cell phone battery retained its endurance for quite a bit longer due mainly to the fact that it was necessary to charge the battery once a week or so rather than daily.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
My work gives us iPhones. While 3-4 hours runtime is the norm for them, I never had one lose appreciable battery life after less then 3 years outside of the 6s’ faulty one.My personal phones have been a moto z play and before that a note 4 with a 10,000 mah zero lemon battery. The moto is showing signs of wear after nearly 4 years, the note never showed signs of wear. Before that was a dumb phone that went many years on the original battery.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
I should note all my personal phones went at least 3 days on a charge when new, with the dumb phone pasting 2 weeks and the note lasting 7-8 days. The moto z play goes 3-4, but I was forced to upgrade, Id’ve stuck with the note 4 if I could.PeachNCream - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link
If I leave my phone alone, it will generally sit idle for close to four days without requiring a recharge. That is a rare thing though since I tend to put my phone to use doing just about everything I used to do on my computer. Mine tends to be busy most of the day with web activity, e-mail, lengthy writing (always working on the next novel), watching videos, streaming radio or running local music, playing a few games - mainly emulators of 8- and 16-bit consoles but sometimes a few native Android games as well so I rarely end the day without charging. Since lockdown and staying at home became a thing, I've just let my phone connected to a charger almost constantly and that's been nice.Brings me back to the point though. I usually see well over a 30% drop in battery life over the course of a year and that's annoying enough to warrant an annual replacement which is never fun thanks to spudgers, tiny hex screws and so on. It isn't the most tedious thing I get to do, but it would be a LOT better to simply make the battery removable.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Yeah, I've owned about 15 phones over the years. Never once have I experienced severe battery degradation. I think it exists mostly inside people's heads. It's much more likely that your usage patterns or software have changed, or just that you haven't noticed your battery running down constantly. You're not likely to notice a 20% drop, that's like 4 hours instead of 5... The way people talk it's like their "phone doesn't hold a charge anymore" ... Never really happened to me.RaduR - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Not true.There are some problems here. In 2 years I see clear battery degradation . Try an app and you will see. All my phones after 1.5-2 years are at 25% battery degradation . That leaves 75% usable.
Also in 2 years apps get bigger and bigger eating core ram and battery . So you will see SOT and standby degradation .
It is not huge but it is.
From 12 -15 hous to 10 house usage time it's a difference that MAY create discomfort .
The above are correct only if you are a heavy user. ....
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I am a heavy user, constantly streaming audio and often video on my phone, and after 4 years its gone from 12 hours of SoT to 9.5. Losing 25% over 4 years isnt too bad.Bigger batteries are always welcome.
People also need to wean themselves off of fast charging. The heat generated from rapid charging wears down batteries faster. There's a reason most iphone batteries last as long as they do: they are still using their 5 watt chargers and the batteries dont even get warm.
With the ever growing battery capacities charging only overnight is truly viable. And the reduced number of charge cycles also extends battery life by several years.
nico_mach - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Apps DO NOT 'get bigger and bigger'. Games, if you're playing any cutting edge games (whatever that means on mobile) maybe. But NO.The most common cause on my phones over time is that Android resets Google preferences that run in the background. You shouldn't have much of anything else running in the background so it doesn't matter how 'big' your apps get for battery life, except when you're using them.
And of course batteries age. But my s8 started out pretty big (compare to iphone 6, wow!) and is still going strong in year 3 or whatever this is now. Which is a shame, I'd like to switch back to apple actually, but I'm too frugal to give up on this phone.
nutxoo - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I got myself and the wife the dual screen version of the v60. They were 899 BOGO. 450 seemed reasonable to me. We replaced our v30s that we never had issues with. We had gotten the v30s BOGO and each one had a rebate for a projector. The v30s replaced the g4s we got BOGO and we had those for 25 months until one did the boot loop but after 25 months we needed phones anyways'As long as I can get em BOGO and dont have issues I will keep getting LG.
PeachNCream - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link
I'm sorry, but I'm lost here. What does BOGO mean?nicolaim - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link
Buy one, get one free, a.k.a. two-for-one.flyingpants265 - Sunday, July 19, 2020 - link
I'm so sick and tired of the battery thing. Just stop. It's very easy to replace the battery on most phones, just buy the tools required or take it to a reputable shop.0x1874DE4C - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
USB 2? 2000 called and wants its interface back.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
USB 3 needs an extra controller and 99% of people only use it to charge. Not worth the cost to LGkpb321 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Why does it matter? Does anyone really regularly do anything with the USB port other than charge the device? Android doesn't have a local back up to a computer like iPhone/iTunes and even on that side it seems like most things happen automatically over wireless/wifi connection anyway. I doubt my wife could name the last time she hooker her android phone up to her computer. With her current phone I'm not even sure if she ever has hooked it up to a computer. For my iPhone I don't think I've ever hooked my current one up to my computer. Last time I upgraded I just used the wizard and it copied over what it needed to for the profile and then automatically reinstalled all the apps.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
"Enthusiasts" will hate me, but the headphone jack should be kept, and the USB-C port should be completely eliminated. You can charge with any port.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
USB-C is like an incremental upgrade to USB micro.if I'm actually designing something for scratch that would be perfect for phones, I'd have some kind of waterproof magnetic connector that doesn't have a million pins and giant connectors.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Magnetic would be an interesting addition, but USB also serves as the manner to bootstrap the device once its built and load the OS. So your magnetic connector would also need to do data.s.yu - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Yes magnetics do data, the majority do.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
LOLWAT. How is that any better? The big issue with removing the headphone jack is that there is only 1 port, and you cant charge and listen to audio at the same time. Going to just a headphone jack wouldnt make it any better, and no you cannot just charge with "any port", the headphone jack was not designed to charge a phone, let alone charge while also streaming audio.flyingpants265 - Sunday, July 19, 2020 - link
So, you didn't actually read my comments?psychobriggsy - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
What would be useful in a mobile phone review is additionally comparing to an older phone of a similar price (at the time) that someone would be upgrading from, hence their interest in looking at a review of a phone. How much faster is the device - is it even worth upgrading if the phone is otherwise okay?s.yu - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Sounds good except you'd need to compare multiple phones from multiple years, there's no telling if one upgrades annually, biennially, triennially, or...it goes on and on. With Anandtech's interface it's not realistic, but with Notebookcheck's at least you can manually add devices to a comparison list, though that would be once every section, e.g. if you added a device in the CPU section you'd need to add it again for a GPU or battery life comparison. Also older devices may not have been tested by the exact same testing methods, e.g. GB4 is obviously not comparable with GB5, crucially, battery tests are also updated.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
What on earth are you even saying?PeachNCream - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Basically that Notebookcheck is better for comparing things to other things than Anandtech - which is true. If I want to kill time reading meandering articles about hardware I will never own, I read AT. If I want to research a product I actually do intend to buy, Notebookcheck is where I go first to get to the actual point.s.yu - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Yup, with the exception that their battery tests are updated from time to time so you won't get apples to apples battery numbers between equivalent devices across generations, say S20 and S7, which was what psychobriggsy suggested.s.yu - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
lol, I don't get what you're not getting.ack68 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
I received two v60's free from AT&T when we switched from Sprint. Also received the dual screens for free as well. Using the dual screen all the time can kill your battery within 4hrs. The only irritating thing is if you have it in landscape view, you can accidentally touch the corners of the screen and select whatever is in the corner where you touched. Other than that, it's all good.Quantumz0d - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
No mention of the ESS Quad DAC in the V60 no need to even test but just a mention of them would be good, just a simple one line mention it takes, LG upgraded the DAC chip to ESS9219 from 9218 which was in V30 to V50. And Android 11 destroys the DSD playback. And no mention of the LG's Audio recording modes available in the camera mode either it has HiFi options with Filters for recording in 192KHz with 24Bit in FLAC and Audio playback also has Filters from the DAC directly, same for Pro camera video modes which LG and Sony only offer as well.And vs OnePlus no other features mentioned at all, what about SD slot ?
Until Apple brings the Pro Video, I think no one even gives a shit about those. All shiny toy things and camera output, that's all matters I guess, every review same mainstream talk.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Color accuracy, no ones gives a shit about them tbh. Look at Samsung Ultra high saturated modes, people only use those. And 90Hz or 120Hz is not a pity at all, its a good option but at the expense of battery life with shitty non removable $1000 consumable piece is it worth ? Nope.SD card slot, Bootloader unlock, 3.5mm jack and stability of the OS, Software features - Camera modes those are the things which matters most so different sects of the audience.
brucethemoose - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
I wouldnt trade 120hz for the world, though Android could use some VRR love.The DAC/ADC is a huge plus for the V series though. I'd love to see that in other phones, even if its only over USB C analog.
s.yu - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Sorry I've been on AMOLED Photo since I switched to Samsung, will be looking for something similar once I switch to some other brand from Samsung betraying the jack.mrbios - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I agree with Quantumz0d, color accuracy isn't something that most people care about, especially when it comes to OLED screens. The Pixel 2 I believe it was, people were losing their shit when Google shipped those with a more accurate color profile, instead of one that "pops". Once they changed things to be ultra saturated, it was still worse than a Samsung AMOLOED panel, but people complained a lot less.And my mom, she had some cheaper Samsung smartphone, and she was complaining about how the photos she was taking looked like absolute crap. So, I got her a used OnePlus 3T for Christmas last year, since that was still better all around than what she was using. Once I transferred over the photos from her old phone, she was shocked at how amazing those photos suddenly looked! So, it really wasn't so much that the camera was bad on her old phone, it was that she was seeing those oversaturated colors on other OLED screens, and thought that the camera was the issue.
Only a couple of data points, but really, most people stick with the oversaturated colors on Samsung phones as well. So to most people, true color accuracy is meaningless, it's all about the colors that "pop" off the screen.
vanilla_gorilla - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
"The LG Velvet comes in at 599€. Whilst the phone its generally good for its price-point, the biggest issue I have with these premium devices is that 90% of the time you’re just better off buying last year’s flagship phones."I feel like as difficult it as it is to get updates for a phone, chopping a year off that period of supported software is pretty painful. I'm really not interested in trying to load some custom version of Android, I just want a phone that works.
s.yu - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
It's supposed to work, out of the box. Are standard so low these days that people expect phones to automatically break once their software is no longer supported? I just pray that updates don't break my phone.Also flagships should generally be expected to be supported for longer, my backup S6E still got a security update this year(not that I asked for it, but as updates go it kept nagging me to accept), and that was a 2015 device.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
My moto z play hasnt recieved any updates in 2 years, still works perfectly. Hell my note 4 still technically works (without carrier support) and that thing is ancient.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
I am probably not representative of many here, but I find the "non-contemporary" design of the V60 a big plus. Just having a 3.5 mm connector has become rare amongst the so-called flagship phones. The main issue that make me hesitate to buy another LG is the lack of commitment by the company to keep the OS up-to-date until at least 2023. I've been burned by LG before on that. So, LG, put that commitment in writing, and we might have a deal.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Android phones dont just stop working when OS updates stop, and even Google wouldnt supply updates that long.My note 4 still loads any modern android app, and its running android 5.0. The apps are still updated and get security updates, the underlying framework doesnt relly matter anymore, anything that does has been tied into the play store by now.
Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Exactly. The OS app support compat is light years ahead of iOS instead of bending over for the new OS update you can control the phone. And the OS itself is downgrading, people should read on Scoped Storage - It removes your access to your own files, apps need to hit share to make it visible to other apps just like iOS, and folders access doesn't exist, File Management is also hit with this, Developers are hit with this by making POSIX I/O libs optimized for generations are thrown out of window for that SAF abomination with performance hit and a total shitshow on copying Apple. The sad part is no Security updates, that could have been done at CTS level or even Playstore modules but no one cares about that which is what many people would be happier to see.The HW is excellent man for this device but no battery replacement unfortunately, Note 4 is the last of that tech, Uv sensor, removable battery, solid performance, it's a great device. I still have my SGS with aftermarket battery for it's DAC chip of Wolfson Audio.
As for the OP's design I agree about how the V60 maintains the old fantastic unique look than the iPhone / Chinese bump riddled ugly tile.
bhupatib - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
1. ToF camera is not 14um it's 1.42. It's not USB 2.0 but USB 3.1 since they are both capable of Desktop Mode which requires 3.1 with displayport spec.
lmcd - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
It's 100% possible to max out at USB 2.0 bandwidth, support PD, and support DisplayPort Alt Mode.mrvco - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
My LG V40 is still going strong and it has grown on me quite a bit since I got it shortly after launch at the end of 2018. I received the update to Android 10 and one security update since. I still use it as my day-to-day phone instead of an XS Max. The good news with LG phones is that as long as you are even a little bit patient there is no need to pay list price. I paid $550 for a NIB V40 a month after launch and full price at T-Mobile for the V60 (single screen) is $699.99 now. Without seeing or holding one, at 599€ (and whatever that ends up being in the US), the Velvet is a tough sell though.s.yu - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
>The good news with LG phones is that as long as you are even a little bit patient there is no need to pay list price.Also true for Samsung phones. More people need to see that :)
Actually the only exceptions may be Apple and the Chinese phones, everybody else you can expect discounts through certain channels shortly after shipping.
patel21 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Andrei, please post a similar review for A71 if possible.Pelonquin - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
I went from a V30+ to a OnePlus 8. After getting the OnePlus replaced 3 times within 3 weeks i told them i wanted out and got the V60. I got two of them with dual screens for about the same monthly as what the 1+ would have been. I hated the thin candybar shape of the 1+ along with all the troubles that i had with it. I got tired of wasting screen protectors on the 1+.s.yu - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Interesting but...you completely skipped LG's unique audio and video features, which the Oneplus obviously lacks.Looking forward to an Xperia 1II review :)
BenSkywalker - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Nothing about the quad DAC?There are those of us who only buy LG phones because of that feature. It can drive high impedance cans, it is an entirely different tier than a regular 3.5mm jack.
Is high quality audio going to be like wide color gamut? Ignore it entirely unless Apple tells you it is important?
Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Look at G7 review and how the author disregarded the DAC, same for G8, in the comments for both, I made significant posts about the lack of the data. I think that's why here we do not see the ESS DAC or any of the LG's world's top smartphone in the Audio aspect doesn't even get a fucking spec list out.A shame on journalism. When we see Apple's deep SoC SPEC measuring contest where in real life it translates to nothing but dust.
Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Although I applaud the author for making such a strong point on the 3.5mm jack it's really rare to see, AT is one of those places where there's integrity. SD card slot should also make it to that level of appreciation, sadly with Google fucking up storage I highly doubt we will see that PCIe class SD cards anytime soon when the OEMs are pushing for cloud bs.nicolaim - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link
Typo: one place says Adreno 640, another 650.Dave_S - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
The V60 would be a great device to own. If LG would let us buy it!Their marketing and distribution SUCK! Only available in very few countries.
Not good enough LG. Lift your game or lose market share big time.
RaduR - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I loved LG G3. It was a true flagship at its time . Qi, huge screen , huge resolution. It was a true flagship killer.Even the following phones with accessories were standing out of the crowd. It was G5 I believe.
But what on earth are they thinking now. Who in his right mind would buy these pieces of crap while Xiaomi Mi10 is half the price and better in any aspect. Also Samsung from last year is a better choice.
They should stop fighting against Samsung since they are not there anymore. They first should undercut Chinese products and only after that chase Samsung .
Look what One Plus and Xiaomi did. In a few yeats they are top brands but they did not fight Samsung in the first place.
LG , wake up !
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Well, the Xiaomi and other Chinese brands are not really an option in the US unles you like playing russian roulette on network support, especially with VoLTE becoming mandatort in the next year or 2.eek2121 - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I had the V30 and it was solid.I am not singing praises for LG here, because they lock their boot loader tighter than....yeah we will leave it there, but let’s just say that the majority of the problems with boot-looping and other oddities can almost always be traced back to Qualcomm.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
How is it qualcomm's fault? Samsung, motorla, HTC, google, asus, none of these brands have the bootloop issues LG had.Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Bootlooping shit is dead long time back, V20 and up no issues of that, I have a V30 thankfully it has the Bootloader community unlock as LG didn't because of their higher up mobile chair changes always and mostly due to the US Carrier stranglehold, Samsung NA market phones also no BL unlock at all.And man my V30 is still running like a champ maybe a little battery deterioration but the Audio performance is almost identical to my desktop DAC+AMP setup (Modi + Alex Cavalli), and the Camera UI is perfect, the phone doesn't have any bullshit notch or deadpixel hole or shit. It just works like how it did out of the box, Oreo is the OS, I have it rooted and removed all bloat like social media bs and installed USB Audio Pro for the bitperfect playback without Android's bullshit 48KHz upsampling trash.
OS updates do not matter to me, when Android 9 ruined the multitasking by copying iPhone (Google is to blame due to their obsession with Apple) and they ruined the DSD playback on 10 and 11, 11 brings that notorious dogshit Scoped Storage which no one mentions because they all are fine with the sandboxed zero user ownership of their own fucking files on their own phone just like an iPhone.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
Being limited to carriers with no unlocked version is a huge drag on the V60. I applaud LG for building a simple devvice without silly resolutions and curved screens, instead opting for decent bezels to protect the fragile screen and a big battery for long runtimes, but I'm never buying a carrier locked phone again.The other elephant in the room is the price. $900 is a lot of money. That's almost 2 mortgage payments. Phones like the moto G power have a worse camera, but the same size battery and even longer runtimes, for $250. Sure its only got a SD665, but its more then enough for 99% of use cases and costs a quarter of the V60.
I hope LG has great success with the V60 and it leads them to make more of these simple designs, but I feel it's kneecapped before it even starts the race.
Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I agree, and man no Bootloader unlock on US SKUs either, it's the same old shitshow that US Carriers are having on the NA market, a big middlefinger to the consumer. A shame to be honest, LG hardware is #1 but their BL unlock situation is worse. OS updates is a hot topic many want them for some reason but in reality Android is moving away from it's openness on the OS principles one of it is APK bundling which is mandated by Google to make devs certify their own apps by Google isntead of them, keys to the castle for the apps. Then they have this scoped bullshit storage which ruins the whole Android FS and makes hard for developers to use Java and other POSIX based I/O libs to that performance hog and limited SAF, it destroys Android on a whole another level read on it, It's just Apple type grip. Security updates should at-least have been made mandatory by Google at CTS level for 3-5 years that would be a MUCH simple task than to support mega OS downgrades. It's a sham, they all want money if the phone doesn't stop why will anyone buy a new phone ?WPX00 - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I think LG is among the best at camera performance even with the not very ambitious hardware. For years, from the G2 through the V30, the camera barely changed.G2/G3 - 13MP 1.12um OIS
G4/V10/G5/V20 - 16MP 1.12um OIS
G6 - 13MP 1.12um OIS
V30 - 16MP 1.0um OIS
They squeezed a LOT of life out of those tiny camera sensors, so it's no surprise to me they did well with the much better GM2/IMX686 sensors, even though they should theoretically pale compared to the ultra ambitious HM1 sensor in the S20U, or the IMX689 on the OnePlus.
customdtg - Saturday, July 18, 2020 - link
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Revv233 - Saturday, July 18, 2020 - link
Bummer it's such a monster. Headphone jack and great battery life.I wish they would go thicker smaller rather than flatter wider and taller.
My s9+ is already at the limit of my hands & pockets.
Maybe Sony's new phone will work but also 170mm tall.
Anand12 - Saturday, July 18, 2020 - link
I don't thin the LG Velvet has OIS in their cameras. I think the reviewer has made an error. This will be reflected in Andrei's performance review and year end bonus.Kind Regards,
Anand
George Allan - Monday, July 20, 2020 - link
It is a great review https://www.anandtech.com/show/15905/the-lg-v60-an...BAllen2782 - Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - link
All i see is a bunch of cry babies in the comment section. Still yappin about the G4 bootloop issue. But, they never say anything about LG's customer service and free 2 year promise with the 1 year warranty already with the phone. Also, you can call LG and send in your G4 and theylle replace the logic board for free. I just got my fixed for free last year. As long as the phones screen isn't cracked and the phone is in good condition, LG will fix it for free. But, poeple have to let the bootloop thing go. It's been 5 years. Get over it. So, anyway i walked into a T-Mobile store to buy a new sim card for my fixed LG G4 and seen the V20 for $900. This was in Jan. 2017. I really liked the look and the only flagship SD820 phone out there with a removable battery was a perfect fit for me. Doing a lot of video content and such. But, i wasn't going to pay $900. So i held on to my G4, and a year later, there was the LG V20 brand new for $200 on ebay (from a reputable seller). I don't mind waiting a year or getting last years flagship phone for almost a quarter of the price. So, i bought the V20 with 2 extra batteries, a true OEM screen replacement for accidents, cause they do happen and a tripod. Also knowing that you do not remove the protective sticker off of the camera lens because it will crack. But, another great thing about the V20 was the phones repairability. With 1 micro screwdriver, the phone can be completely disassembled for repair. Thanks to Jerry Rig Everything for the teardown vids. He also gage the V20 an award for the easiest repairability. Also, the V20 is surprisingly durable. LG is the mainstream smartphone manufacturer that gives it flagship phones a MLT-810G transit drop rating. That let you know you can do more with the phone, like climb Mt Everest and when you get to the top and oull out your phone, it wil still work. They did it with the V30. But, enough about the V20. I wanted a newer phone and it Jan 2020. And i'm not paying $1,400 for a smartphone. That's ludicrous. Once again i jumped on ebay to my favorite vendor that's has truly Unlocked phones and not just a GSM unlocked sprint or At&t phone. I came across a brand new fully unlocked LG V40 (QA7) for $250. It was just $200 but, i missed the sale. He had one left and it came with a brand new (open box) $60 Otterbox Defender series (screenless edition) case and a pair of LG Tone Pro's worth $100. Even though, the Unlocked version comes with a pair of decent earbuds in the box. Those can be used for back up. I wanted the V50 but, everyone wanted $450 for'em at the time. They've dropped to $350 now, but, i'm only willing to pay about $300 max for a phone. Like i said, i'm a very patient person and don't mind running last years flagship or the year before that. As long as the phone is new and under $300. So, i'm a bargain shopper, kill me... The SD845 is plenty fast and the Adreno 630 (512ALU's) runs any AAA mobile game out there at 30 or 60 fps or whichever the game is set to run at. Also, another biggie was XDA has gained root on the V40 so, i was able to create a thermal.conf.file and change the thermal throttle temps so that famous LG micro stutter goes away. The V50 doesn't have this problem but, come to think of it, my V40 didn't ever get hot or thetmalw throttle itself. But, I'm a tinkerer and like to set my phone up my way. So i set the thermal throttle temps on the GPU and CPU. Time for modding the kernal or just making one. I got the ASUS ROG phone 1 clock mod and applied it to the my V40. Niw i have a SD845+. The Adreno 630 GPU is running at 725MHz and get about 900GFlops matching a stock Adreno 640 (768ALU's) clocked at 625MHz. The 4 HP A75/Kryo cores are running at 2.96GHz and have no issue doing so. What about the battety, well this specific LG V40 is a replacement phone for lost and stolen phones for LG's 2 year promise warranty. Can't have a extra 2 Year warranty without backup phones to give customers, right. So, when i went to check the iMEI the phone was manufactured on Dec.5th 2109 and shipped from LG's warehouse on the 10th. Making the specific V40 only 7months old. So, the battery is new. Using Acuutebattery after about a month of charge cycles says its health is at 125% and is comparable to a 4100mAh battery. And it's not lying. I get 9 to 10 hours on that little 3300mAh battery, with moderate to heavy use. Plus, i'm running a modified version of Stock Android 10 with some of LG's stick apps in there. That with the overclocks to the CPU and GPU bring this phone up to a SD855 level. Benchmarks aren't my thing but, i had to test it. It gets an easy 400,000 points. 170,000 for the GPU and 130,000 for the CPU. No other SD845 device comes close to that. My V40 was never slow or throttled. The newer silicon definitely didn't hurt matters. But, LG gets put in the shadow for no reason. They are great phones even out the box. I've been with LG and T-Mobile since the first quad core phone that came with the original Transformers movie. The Optimus G. Remember those. Was a great phone. I still have it and it does work.i actually wrote a longer version of this but, didn't want to bore the non-readers with a autophoneagraphy. But, from the manual 4K60 OIS/EIS video recording. Which with ROOT can lift the 6min limit and use both OIS and EIS while doing so. And everyone knows LG has the audio goods. From the ESS SABRE qDAC to the 2Vrms 3.5mm headphone jack that can easily push my 650Ω Senheiser 800HD's with volume to spare. From the V20 and G6 on up. There are great phones. Buying a phone that was released 2 years ago but, built just 7 months ago was a lucky thing for me but, still. A 1 or 2 year old flagship for a Quarter od the price is the way to go for me. Though, i'm might get the V50 or wait for the V70 because the V60 only has a 1080p display. Gotta have my 2K or 3K. The V50 is still $350 right now but, it'll drop. It has a 4000mAh battery and a Vapor chamber along with the SD855 and Adreno 640. Which i know i can turn into a SD855+ with the Adreno 640 pushing just over 1Teraflop of FP32 compute. I never thought i'd see 3GHz CPU's in SOC's that couod have sustainability and thermal issues. But, the SD865+ is here. Though, running a SD845/+ or SD855/+ at 2.96GHz is plenty enough for me. That with a 1 Teraflop GPU. Anyway, i herd there was going to be a LG Velvet with a SD845. That, i wlukd buy. Once it dropped in price. Well i'm tired and i gotta get back to this online money. This was a good but, somewhat a little off review. Anandtech isna great site and they do awesome work.PS. This was typed on a LG V40.
Dave_S - Sunday, August 2, 2020 - link
Great review of a company that treats consumers with about as much regard as a piece of dog shit on the bottom of your shoe.The V60 has such a limited release that trying to buy one outside of the US, Canada, and some European countries is impossible. The Velvet feels like a downgraded V60.
LG need to lift their game in listening to consumers and marketing. They're an awful company.