eek2121/timecop1818 various, from the 200 buck ones.. all the way up to 700, and some times higher then that. eek2121, 4k ips is considered budget ??? dang
Almost all business, corporate, and enterprise monitors in the $100-$250 ballpark have DSUB. Granted, most if not all of them have DVI, HDMI and\or DP.
As do many projectors (current and legacy) and legacy televisions, particularly plasmas.
As if that weren't enough to keep the DVI and legacy analog VGA\DSUB connection around, it's important to point out CRT-based gaming has had a resurgence, granted you can find a Sony GDM FW910 or similar 1080P CRT. And these are obviously best suited for analog input as any digital input can introduce processing lag.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with including a DVI port. A DSUB port might be pushing the limits of logic (as a DVI-I can be simply converted to DSUB.)
There is absolutely no reason to have either VGA or DVI ports on a video card or motherboard. Both DP and HDMI ports can output to VGA and DVI using a dongle.
Dongles are a pain in the ass and they don't always work well, I deal with them everyday. A lot of business laptops have VGA because it just works and its everywhere.
They're all DVI-D because AMD and NVidia have phased out VGA support from their GPUs themselves. To put a VGA (or DVI-I) on a modern card the manufacturer would need to embed a DP-VGA adapter onto the board itself.
I'm still wondering why some monitors are still made without DisplayPort connectors and why a bunch of them have DVI connectors. DVI has a royalty and DisplayPort doesn't, but for some reason DisplayPort is "premium".
Every time a manufacturer doesn't include a DVI connector on a current-generation board design, he kills an old monitor that is usually still very good !
I wish we could get more powerful GPU's that are single slot, half height... Buying OEM slim machines and whacking a cheap GPU in it is a good way to get a gaming rig happening on a budget.
Yup, without the fan getting really obnoxious 75W is about the upper limit. And there are a few single slot 1650's. 1650 super is 100W so probably won't get a single slot version.
Nah. You can push past 75w. AMD had an Oland XT based single slot, half height GPU with a TDP of 75w, yet it only had a chunk of aluminum with a 40mm fan for the cooling...
Make the cooler a heatpipe design with a pair of 40mm fans and that TDP limit could be higher.
As far as I know the Geforce 1030 is the fastest half height GPU at the moment and that has a TDP of 30w, so there is allot of room to take the performance up a notch, especially on a smaller fabrication process with GDDR6.
Modern half height cards are GT 1030 sorts which are what most people would consider insufficient as gaming GPUs for anything modern. Although someone with modest needs pushing lower resolutions would probably have no problems running some games, I do agree that we need more development at the small end of the spectrum.
I think the card needs a blower, too, which would make it skinnier. ITX builds usually benefit from blower-coolers as there isn't a lot of airflow in the case to exhaust the heat these cards produce.
Not always true. Most newer ITX cases do better with a traditional fan layout, or dual fan than blowers. As long as the side panels are vented, there's enough fresh air for this design to work well. These cards are perfect for tiny gaming rigs IMO.
mITX isn't really a measurement of case size anymore. I know mITX cases that are larger than some of my ATX cases. You can have mITX cases with 2 or more 120/140 mm fans and then you don't need blower style heatsinks for your GPU. But you can also have cases with no or just one 80 mm fan and then a blower style with a good ventilation cutout can be golden. That is really not dependent on the motherboard form factor but rather the case design in general.
I was gonna mention brands like Lian Li who haven't figured out how to do ITX cases. Solid Aluminum looks nice, but is bad for temps in all sizes. Go look at some of the newer ITX designs from boutique to cheap cases at Ali Baba. Most newer ITX cases that can fit video cards, are perforated nicely. My 17 liter (on large size) keeps my air cooled CPU at 55 while gaming, and usually my 1080 ti stays under 75. Blowers have their place, but is probably just the cheapest cooling they can think of. With air flow in, and out, a basic fan design works better.
I wish they would just have half the metal of the PCI bracket. Instead of taking up two just for vents. Let the case PCI brackets be the vents. They're already included.
Why only one HDMI? Pretty much every panel that ships today has HDMI on it and outside of computing, its the One Ring of video interfaces. DVI never really supplanted VGA over its lifespan and DP is a computer-only thing.
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The_Assimilator - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Every time a manufacturer includes a DVI connector on a current-generation board design, God kills a kitten.Please Asus, think of the kittens.
Korguz - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
dvi is a lot more useful, then the vga port new monitors still come with..eek2121 - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Only budget monitors include VGA ports. My 4k IPS monitor has one, neither did my previous 2 1440p monitors.timecop1818 - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
I've never seen VGA on anything in the last ~10 years. What kinda garbage monitors are you buying?Korguz - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
eek2121/timecop1818 various, from the 200 buck ones.. all the way up to 700, and some times higher then that. eek2121, 4k ips is considered budget ??? dangSamus - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Almost all business, corporate, and enterprise monitors in the $100-$250 ballpark have DSUB. Granted, most if not all of them have DVI, HDMI and\or DP.As do many projectors (current and legacy) and legacy televisions, particularly plasmas.
As if that weren't enough to keep the DVI and legacy analog VGA\DSUB connection around, it's important to point out CRT-based gaming has had a resurgence, granted you can find a Sony GDM FW910 or similar 1080P CRT. And these are obviously best suited for analog input as any digital input can introduce processing lag.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with including a DVI port. A DSUB port might be pushing the limits of logic (as a DVI-I can be simply converted to DSUB.)
DigitalFreak - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
There is absolutely no reason to have either VGA or DVI ports on a video card or motherboard. Both DP and HDMI ports can output to VGA and DVI using a dongle.29a - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Dongles are a pain in the ass and they don't always work well, I deal with them everyday. A lot of business laptops have VGA because it just works and its everywhere.Eletriarnation - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Not only that, but this is DVI-D so you can't get VGA out of it anyway. Why not save space with an DP++ port that has the same capabilities and more?DanNeely - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
They're all DVI-D because AMD and NVidia have phased out VGA support from their GPUs themselves. To put a VGA (or DVI-I) on a modern card the manufacturer would need to embed a DP-VGA adapter onto the board itself.Death666Angel - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
My 4k AOC had a VGA connector, it was useful for having old laptop connected to it and running some diagnosis. I'm all for options.Flunk - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
I'm still wondering why some monitors are still made without DisplayPort connectors and why a bunch of them have DVI connectors. DVI has a royalty and DisplayPort doesn't, but for some reason DisplayPort is "premium".eek2121 - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Quite a few people upgrade their gear, but not their monitors. Much later they upgrade their monitors and not their gear.That being the case, I only have 2 DP and 1 HDMI ports on my monitor (along with a sound jack...lol...)
nevcairiel - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
They aim for maximum compatibility on these mid-range cards, where having 3 different connectors is an advantage over not having them.LapinLaid - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Every time a manufacturer doesn't include a DVI connector on a current-generation board design, he kills an old monitor that is usually still very good !eek2121 - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Card too thick. Needs to be skinnier.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
I wish we could get more powerful GPU's that are single slot, half height... Buying OEM slim machines and whacking a cheap GPU in it is a good way to get a gaming rig happening on a budget.DigitalFreak - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
There is only so much heat you can dissipate with a single slot air cooler.DanNeely - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Yup, without the fan getting really obnoxious 75W is about the upper limit. And there are a few single slot 1650's. 1650 super is 100W so probably won't get a single slot version.StevoLincolnite - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Nah. You can push past 75w.AMD had an Oland XT based single slot, half height GPU with a TDP of 75w, yet it only had a chunk of aluminum with a 40mm fan for the cooling...
Make the cooler a heatpipe design with a pair of 40mm fans and that TDP limit could be higher.
As far as I know the Geforce 1030 is the fastest half height GPU at the moment and that has a TDP of 30w, so there is allot of room to take the performance up a notch, especially on a smaller fabrication process with GDDR6.
PeachNCream - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Modern half height cards are GT 1030 sorts which are what most people would consider insufficient as gaming GPUs for anything modern. Although someone with modest needs pushing lower resolutions would probably have no problems running some games, I do agree that we need more development at the small end of the spectrum.Samus - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
I think the card needs a blower, too, which would make it skinnier. ITX builds usually benefit from blower-coolers as there isn't a lot of airflow in the case to exhaust the heat these cards produce.Showtime - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
Not always true. Most newer ITX cases do better with a traditional fan layout, or dual fan than blowers. As long as the side panels are vented, there's enough fresh air for this design to work well.These cards are perfect for tiny gaming rigs IMO.
Samus - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Every ITX case I've owned overheated with any videocard that wasn't a blower, from the Silverstone FT03-Mini to the Lian Li "Tub" TU100BWhen volume is in shortage, it's most ideal to eject the heat out of the case, not into it.
Death666Angel - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
mITX isn't really a measurement of case size anymore. I know mITX cases that are larger than some of my ATX cases. You can have mITX cases with 2 or more 120/140 mm fans and then you don't need blower style heatsinks for your GPU. But you can also have cases with no or just one 80 mm fan and then a blower style with a good ventilation cutout can be golden. That is really not dependent on the motherboard form factor but rather the case design in general.Showtime - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
At the SFF reddit, it's 20 liters regardless of the designation. At around 20 liters and less, there smallest Micro ATX cases (around 15 liters).This list is a great source, but new cases pop up all the time, and some cases are hard to find.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dzRY3LLsXc...
Showtime - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
I was gonna mention brands like Lian Li who haven't figured out how to do ITX cases. Solid Aluminum looks nice, but is bad for temps in all sizes. Go look at some of the newer ITX designs from boutique to cheap cases at Ali Baba. Most newer ITX cases that can fit video cards, are perforated nicely. My 17 liter (on large size) keeps my air cooled CPU at 55 while gaming, and usually my 1080 ti stays under 75. Blowers have their place, but is probably just the cheapest cooling they can think of. With air flow in, and out, a basic fan design works better.CheapSushi - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
I wish they would just have half the metal of the PCI bracket. Instead of taking up two just for vents. Let the case PCI brackets be the vents. They're already included.PeachNCream - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Why only one HDMI? Pretty much every panel that ships today has HDMI on it and outside of computing, its the One Ring of video interfaces. DVI never really supplanted VGA over its lifespan and DP is a computer-only thing.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, November 7, 2019 - link
Because HDMI has a license and DP dos not and converting from DP to HDMI is easy