The new BIOS probably only brings a label change, and nothing that any user would reasonably care about. Also all info is speculation at this point.
AT insists on posting the second article in just a few days on the most boring topic of the last decade even if their own assessment is that it's probably a minor tweak to improve yields. So don't take the article or information contained within to seriously, it feels like AT has basically become part of Intel's PR branch at this point. And the rest is Intel trying to look like they exist and launch something.
Good job AT. Can't wait for the reports on CPU box cardboard thickness. Double the pay for people like Andrei, since it's their articles not this ^^ that still gives you any kind of credibility.
Also nobody else should dare say that it's exceptionally fishy when a site insists on posting multiple article on some non-news like a new CPU stepping (a rarity over the past decade), and fill them only with speculation. Or even that this puff pieces tend to be predominantly about one company.
Do it under penalty of having you comments marked as spam :). A while ago AT forgot to cover one of the biggest AMD launch in years for about a week. But a new Intel CPU stepping? Right with us at every step.
well.. if you feel that way.. why do you keep coming back here? and what multiple articles?? the most boring topic in the last 10 years?? im sure there were others that fit that bill more then this :-)
I wonder what makes a new stepping justified to them. Tweaks that multiple to one big stepping, or even a simple change makes no notice they just keep making CPUs?
Like if you buy a cpu today, and even though still make them 6 months later with no stepping changes..could the performance be better on the newest one you get 6 months later if just a few changes not worth naming stepping change? Like all the silicon changes for the hacks that could happen..was that really a stepping change or just put out new CPU eventually to fix some of the spectre meltdown stuff.
On top of that Intel has a massive CPU shortage right now and even AMD's parts are getting harder and harder to find in the OEM markets because of the overflow.
Intel's CPU shortage isn't so much an increased demand issue as it is a production problem. The increased core count in Intel processors that was a response to AMD's Zen means that more wafer is needed per product sold and that means fewer products out the door as production capacity has not yet increased to cope with the shortfall.
As for the health of the market, I'm not saying its a dead animal, but decline is something lots of companies are worried about since phones are replacing computers as the world's primary computing device. It shows in the sales numbers and will continue to do so. No, PCs won't go away entirely, but desktops in particular are the hardest hit by the transition to more mobile systems. DIY gaming boxes have held up relatively well (though not for much longer as companies try to increase per sale margins by driving up component prices without offering more than RGB LEDs as a justification) and the assortment of small form factor machines seem to be doing okay. Laptops are probably fine for a bit as well, but budget DIY desktops are basically a dead horse at this point and that rot is spreading up the pricing stack and outward to OEM built systems as well.
maybe.. but most of the people i know.. use a desktop for games and internet more then their phones... but it could also be cause of the games they play too... none are available on a phone, and a notebook.. just wont cut it unless they spend more then a desktop would....
as for intel and their cpu's... do they REALLY need to have a product stack of FORTY cpu's??? maybe if they would cut down on that. that would free up production to make the ones they need... either way.. looks like my next upgrade will be AMD based.... less confusing...
The prospect of spending more for the same or less compute power has always been one of the costs of playing games on a laptop instead of a desktop. The price buys portability so while looking at a laptop exclusively from a power-vs-price perspective makes sense in some cases, many consumers incorporate more than that single factor in their purchase. If they didn't, gaming laptops wouldn't be a thing like they are now.
Intel's huge product stack has a lot to do with harvesting partly faulty chips at their maximum possible value so it makes a certain amount of sense. Why sell a defective i7 as a much lower priced i5 when the company can instead sell for more by inventing another i7 model? It isn't a consumer-friendly thing and I agree the practice leads to considerable confusion, but it does work for the bottom line and since Intel has to answer to investors, doing so might be worth the confusion.
we realize that.. but when you have no intent on taking your games with you, and prefer to stay home.. there is no reason to spend that extra money on portability :-) hence.. the choice of a desktop.
i figured that.. but is intel's current process that bad, that they have to harvest that many cpus, and sell them as lower skus, or crippled skus?
i dont know if it will happen with this stepping but im pretty sure they will go with igpu and igpuless models for cometlake at least. and i dont mean just turning it off like they are doing now. they will either make 2 runs, one with igpu and one without, or they will make one run and add the igpu as a seperate die.
the igpu takes up more space than 2 whole cores and most people in the enthusiast market dont even use them. the next i7 will be 8 cores and it will actually be the same size or smaller than the 8700k if its still on 14nm.
they might do it with this stepping as well. i doubt it but its possible. they may already have enough igpu cpus stocked up to do for awhile and can just take from that pile when they need an oem chip with igpu and then take from these piles for enthusiast chips
even if they dont do it now they will with the next line of chips. its been holding intel back for awhile now
I felt like I was fully spent after that outburst, I had laid it all out there, and even if this was the end of our friendship, at least I could tell myself that I had tried. Neither one of us said anything and the silence stretched on https://1080ppornlist.com/category/hentai-porn-tub... . The dread of her further rejecting me built up, but that didn't happen. She hadn't let go of my hand. I started to sense that there was something different happening, but it was hard to put a reason for the feeling. I turned and looked at Miss Walker and she looked back at me. We held each other's gaze and all of the stress of confessing my feelings for her seemed to start to melt away. I don't remember consciously thinking about doing it, I would have never tried it if I wasn't acting on instinct. I leaned over and kissed her. Miss Walker let out a small "mumph" and squeezed my hand. At first, she didn't kiss me back, but she also didn't resist the kiss, her lips parting. Her grip on my hand relaxed and she started to kiss me back.
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Araemo - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
"ASUS has released BIOS updates for all 300 series motherboards"Prime Z370-A not listed. (Prime Z370-A II is a different board, different bios, etc)
"all 300 series"
Press X to Doubt.
closest - Sunday, April 7, 2019 - link
The new BIOS probably only brings a label change, and nothing that any user would reasonably care about. Also all info is speculation at this point.AT insists on posting the second article in just a few days on the most boring topic of the last decade even if their own assessment is that it's probably a minor tweak to improve yields. So don't take the article or information contained within to seriously, it feels like AT has basically become part of Intel's PR branch at this point. And the rest is Intel trying to look like they exist and launch something.
Good job AT. Can't wait for the reports on CPU box cardboard thickness. Double the pay for people like Andrei, since it's their articles not this ^^ that still gives you any kind of credibility.
closest - Sunday, April 7, 2019 - link
Also nobody else should dare say that it's exceptionally fishy when a site insists on posting multiple article on some non-news like a new CPU stepping (a rarity over the past decade), and fill them only with speculation. Or even that this puff pieces tend to be predominantly about one company.Do it under penalty of having you comments marked as spam :). A while ago AT forgot to cover one of the biggest AMD launch in years for about a week. But a new Intel CPU stepping? Right with us at every step.
Korguz - Monday, April 8, 2019 - link
well.. if you feel that way.. why do you keep coming back here? and what multiple articles?? the most boring topic in the last 10 years?? im sure there were others that fit that bill more then this :-)bobhumplick - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - link
ummm they never made any claims. what are you tlaking about?goatfajitas - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
Call me when Intel gets out of the "lake". :Pimaheadcase - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
I wonder what makes a new stepping justified to them. Tweaks that multiple to one big stepping, or even a simple change makes no notice they just keep making CPUs?Like if you buy a cpu today, and even though still make them 6 months later with no stepping changes..could the performance be better on the newest one you get 6 months later if just a few changes not worth naming stepping change? Like all the silicon changes for the hacks that could happen..was that really a stepping change or just put out new CPU eventually to fix some of the spectre meltdown stuff.
My brain hurts.
goatfajitas - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
Make it easy. If you are building a PC these days, buy AMD processors.PeachNCream - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
Agreed for desktop PCs, but DIY desktops are slumping along with the rest of the desktop and laptop PC market.goatfajitas - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
Not really. It is less than its peak in 2011, but still very high, higher than 2006 and earlier. https://www.statista.com/statistics/273495/global-...On top of that Intel has a massive CPU shortage right now and even AMD's parts are getting harder and harder to find in the OEM markets because of the overflow.
PeachNCream - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
Intel's CPU shortage isn't so much an increased demand issue as it is a production problem. The increased core count in Intel processors that was a response to AMD's Zen means that more wafer is needed per product sold and that means fewer products out the door as production capacity has not yet increased to cope with the shortfall.As for the health of the market, I'm not saying its a dead animal, but decline is something lots of companies are worried about since phones are replacing computers as the world's primary computing device. It shows in the sales numbers and will continue to do so. No, PCs won't go away entirely, but desktops in particular are the hardest hit by the transition to more mobile systems. DIY gaming boxes have held up relatively well (though not for much longer as companies try to increase per sale margins by driving up component prices without offering more than RGB LEDs as a justification) and the assortment of small form factor machines seem to be doing okay. Laptops are probably fine for a bit as well, but budget DIY desktops are basically a dead horse at this point and that rot is spreading up the pricing stack and outward to OEM built systems as well.
Qasar - Saturday, April 6, 2019 - link
maybe.. but most of the people i know.. use a desktop for games and internet more then their phones... but it could also be cause of the games they play too... none are available on a phone, and a notebook.. just wont cut it unless they spend more then a desktop would....as for intel and their cpu's... do they REALLY need to have a product stack of FORTY cpu's??? maybe if they would cut down on that. that would free up production to make the ones they need... either way.. looks like my next upgrade will be AMD based.... less confusing...
PeachNCream - Monday, April 8, 2019 - link
The prospect of spending more for the same or less compute power has always been one of the costs of playing games on a laptop instead of a desktop. The price buys portability so while looking at a laptop exclusively from a power-vs-price perspective makes sense in some cases, many consumers incorporate more than that single factor in their purchase. If they didn't, gaming laptops wouldn't be a thing like they are now.Intel's huge product stack has a lot to do with harvesting partly faulty chips at their maximum possible value so it makes a certain amount of sense. Why sell a defective i7 as a much lower priced i5 when the company can instead sell for more by inventing another i7 model? It isn't a consumer-friendly thing and I agree the practice leads to considerable confusion, but it does work for the bottom line and since Intel has to answer to investors, doing so might be worth the confusion.
Qasar - Monday, April 8, 2019 - link
we realize that.. but when you have no intent on taking your games with you, and prefer to stay home.. there is no reason to spend that extra money on portability :-) hence.. the choice of a desktop.i figured that.. but is intel's current process that bad, that they have to harvest that many cpus, and sell them as lower skus, or crippled skus?
bobhumplick - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
i dont know if it will happen with this stepping but im pretty sure they will go with igpu and igpuless models for cometlake at least. and i dont mean just turning it off like they are doing now. they will either make 2 runs, one with igpu and one without, or they will make one run and add the igpu as a seperate die.the igpu takes up more space than 2 whole cores and most people in the enthusiast market dont even use them. the next i7 will be 8 cores and it will actually be the same size or smaller than the 8700k if its still on 14nm.
they might do it with this stepping as well. i doubt it but its possible. they may already have enough igpu cpus stocked up to do for awhile and can just take from that pile when they need an oem chip with igpu and then take from these piles for enthusiast chips
even if they dont do it now they will with the next line of chips. its been holding intel back for awhile now
lomafugi - Sunday, March 8, 2020 - link
I felt like I was fully spent after that outburst, I had laid it all out there, and even if this was the end of our friendship, at least I could tell myself that I had tried. Neither one of us said anything and the silence stretched on https://1080ppornlist.com/category/hentai-porn-tub... . The dread of her further rejecting me built up, but that didn't happen. She hadn't let go of my hand. I started to sense that there was something different happening, but it was hard to put a reason for the feeling. I turned and looked at Miss Walker and she looked back at me. We held each other's gaze and all of the stress of confessing my feelings for her seemed to start to melt away. I don't remember consciously thinking about doing it, I would have never tried it if I wasn't acting on instinct. I leaned over and kissed her. Miss Walker let out a small "mumph" and squeezed my hand. At first, she didn't kiss me back, but she also didn't resist the kiss, her lips parting. Her grip on my hand relaxed and she started to kiss me back.honoxeyo - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
Call me when Intel gets out of the "lake". :Phttps://rodrigolascivo.com/category/tubes-de-porno...