maybe cause its either too expensive to add.. or TB devices them selves .. are just too expensive ?? not having TB3... IMO.. not a big deal.. considering the above... unless more affordable devices come out.. TB3 may just go no where...
Exactly what i was trying to work out from the press release. On-die attached to ADDITIONAL lanes out of the CPU would be a god send and put this tech in the hands of everyone with no more slow or broken implementations. On the PCH and we are in trouble unless they replace the DMI all together with something much faster, way too much trying to go through it these days.
I don't believe it related to size or cost, it is available on notebooks.
I just believe that desktops line have mature enough to have it.
I know others will not like that but it time is coming, once there were parallel and serial ports on PC. Ethernet is loosing ground and audio poets.
To me the ideal environment is laptop/tablet hook up to docking station to provide extra storage and processing/video power when you need it. But allow flexibility and mobility when you need it.
the first desktop machine I purchase for myself was 25mhz 386 (actually an AMD clone) and not much different than today's - yes today desktop have faster GPU's and CPU's. But you still basically the same external keyboard/mouse/monitor and box has motherboard and memory
I wish I could edit these messages because I am surely not a "poet" because it was suppose to be "port" But some people would like having audio poets on their computer :)
Hi Knocheg,i'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech,fi you want to know more info of the S200,please contact me directly. Klaus Lee EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD Email:[email protected] Skype: [email protected] Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330 Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
It may well be related to size. This motherboard is only about 13 x 13 cm in size, which is smaller than that of many laptops, and it has a CPU cooler mount taking up quite a bit of space.
Really? My wife uses two external screens at home, external speakers, plus an external mouse/keyboard combo (she has a Dell XPS).
That's at least 4 connectors (2 screens, power, usb) that i replaced with a single cable from a TB3 hub. I can sit at her desk and use the same setup with my work laptop (Thinkpad X1) or my personal one (Dell 7370).
Heck, I can charge my phone with it.
TB3 is the future - it will be baked into the standard Intel silicon in time. We've got docks on every desk at work now (there was no justification previously when these had to be changed every 2 years with new laptop models).
How about a regular usb-c with DP and PD? Those are much more widespread in the market (e.g. new Dell displays with dp, power and usb over one usb-c connector).
You don't seem to understand that TB3 is just using usb-c alternative mode for DP signals.
TB3 has very few use cases like external graphics cards and a few expansive external SSDs arrays.
I know about usb-c with DP and PD and actually own a device (Asus ZenScreen) that uses it brilliantly. TB3 uses upto two DP data streams for PCI so can carry a mix of data+video (muxed over PCI) so can carry better video - 2 4K60 streams instead of the one in usbc/DP mode. You can also chuck USB3 and PCI data down there at the same time, something you can't do in USB-c mode. Alt mode has a place, but it should be a stop-gap for now. TB is where we should be heading if you have interest in high res screens and decent speed storage.
You can have two streams on alternative mode DP with MST (implemented on many nice displays today). You can drive two 4k monitors at 60 hz with DP 1.3 or later over USB-C. Intel CPUs (unlike AMD APUs or dedicated GPUs) only support DP 1.2 for now but you were talking about the future anyway...
DP 1.4 starts with optional compression allowing much higher resolution for the future even over 1 or two DP lanes on USB-C, making space for additional superspeed lanes. Thunderbolt 3 does not allow 8K resolution unless it's compressed too.
It really kind of silly comparing TB3 to USB-c, because USB-c has no advantage technically over TB3 and TB3 has everything USB-c has and more. PCI Video more is awesome - my dock running LG 38u88 ultra wide and could run additional 4k screen if I desire - too much screen space for my table.
It is not silly to compare things for a particular use-case. What is your alternative - just say "TB3" is better, therefore there is no need to choose anything else? Be serious . . .
It depends what you want to do with it. To provide its features, TB3 has many requirements, resulting in higher costs. If you don't need all the things it does in one port, maybe you don't need TB3.
I have found that regular USB-c alternate mode does not drive display as good as TB3 (of course my use of TB3 is only for two Dell XPS 2in1's (13 and 15))
But the big advantage of TB3 over normal USB-C is that it can drive more components than USB-C if you have a good dock. Not only does it drive external monitors but a 7 port USB switch in my case.
HStewart. Agree. Had a USBc dock before the TB3s ones got fixed.
The talk of MST DP1.3 is irrelevent if all the devices (ultraportable laptops) people have use DP1.2 for now, so MST (if supported by the screen) is limited to 2x2K or 1x4K. Yes, you can use an MST dongle, but we're meant to be using fewer wires here. The current issue with TB right now is cost (of the docks etc), which I suspect is the reason people keep banaging on about USB-c (which they probably don't have either...).
Nothing of value was lost. TB3 is impressive with speeds but its just too expensive and very very few users can really use it.
What do you need a single 40Gb/s port for exactly? The most common uses given, external video cards and being able to run multiple various devices off a hub only really matter if you have a poorly designed device with just one port. I use a T480 for work. I have never had to use a hub for connectivity.
My desktop has a crap ton of USB 3.1 ports and dedicated ports for sound, ethernet etc. I'm fine. And connecting a videocard to a laptop is silly. You still have the thermal constrains of a laptop. By the time you get the KBM, dock, external display, dGPU and its case you've spent several times what a midrange gaming PC would and it performs worse. Its ultimately an inferior and more costly solution to a desktop and I doubt its seriously used all that much in the real world.
Faster ports are always nice but anything that uses active cables will inevitably fail in the market due to cost and lack of convenience. Passive cables always win out in the end.
That is a nice design except for the top fan grille. My home is a bit dusty despite my efforts to keep that problem under control so if such a system were sitting with the fan upright as depicted, quite a bit of dust would settle atop it over time only to be ingested by the cooling fan during operation. I guess turning it on its side would help to an extent.
Are you sure the fan in pulling air in, or is it pushing air out? If it's blowing air out, then you won't have dust settling on the top (although it could pull it in from the side slot openings).
Hi Quarx,i'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech,the S200 can install the Core i9-8950HK too. We sell some of them too. Klaus Lee EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD Email:[email protected] Skype: [email protected] Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330 Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
i7-8750HK? That exists? As far as I know, the i7 8750H is locked, the i7-8850H and i9-8950HK are unlocked, but the i9 is the only one that has a K in its name.
Looks like a typo, but I did a quick Google on the CPU and found NewEgg selling an ASUS laptop with the same likely incorrect CPU designation in the title.
" Intel's product designations are a bit confusing and they have a lot of SKUs. "
a bit confusing and a lot of sku's ?? try VERY confusing and WAY to many sku's ... maybe if intel would trim down their cpu lineup.. and not try to hit price points that are with in the 40-50 buck mark of each other, maybe their supply issues wouldnt be such an issue... trying to decide which intel chip to go with.. is a big headache.. i know some, that have been trying to decide for a while now which cpu to upgrade to... they have chosen pretty much every thing else they need.. but the cpu.... i suggest they just go with ryzen... just 8 choices there, not counting the APU's ( the a6 to a10 line) or threadripper...
While impressive they were able to squeeze in all that power in such a small form factor (pending heat profile), I can't help but feel like this product is going to have a hard time finding a big audience. A typical person buys a tiny PC to put in their living room to act as a media center or streaming device, and you don't need all that power for this. On the flip side, a content creator looking for a workstation will likely want something that is highly upgradable and will have a dedicated space for a tower PC.
Question about support: I have never dealt with the company before, and should something go wrong in warranty, does anyone have any direct experience with the process and outcome re: EGlobal? While the price is great, if anything but the memory/storage went bad would it be weeks and many back and forth emails to get things 'hopefully' worked out? As a primary system that would be a hard scenario to work with (literally).
Hi Tmanini, I'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech.gald to hear you are interested in our Products. For your concern ,i want to say that our products are all with three-year warranty and if it happened Non-human damage ,you can send it back to us and we'll repair it or change a new one to you. Bty if you want to purchase it you can contact me directly.
Hi friends on AnandTech. I'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech, a experience mini pc manufacturer in China. If you wan to know more info about S200 or other type mini pc ,you can contact me directly.
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danielfranklin - Monday, February 4, 2019 - link
Just a pity there is no Thunderbolt.Makes for a great flexible home device, just not quite as flexible without TB3...
Korguz - Monday, February 4, 2019 - link
maybe cause its either too expensive to add.. or TB devices them selves .. are just too expensive ??not having TB3... IMO.. not a big deal.. considering the above...
unless more affordable devices come out.. TB3 may just go no where...
Flunk - Monday, February 4, 2019 - link
It's because it still requires and extra chip and this board is just too small to fit another (fairly large) chip on there.DigitalFreak - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
I wish they'd add TB3 to the CPU or the chipset and be done with it.edzieba - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Ice Lake will have Thunderbolt 3 included on-package, though it's not yet clear if it's part of the CPU or the PCH.danielfranklin - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Exactly what i was trying to work out from the press release.On-die attached to ADDITIONAL lanes out of the CPU would be a god send and put this tech in the hands of everyone with no more slow or broken implementations.
On the PCH and we are in trouble unless they replace the DMI all together with something much faster, way too much trying to go through it these days.
HStewart - Monday, February 4, 2019 - link
I don't believe it related to size or cost, it is available on notebooks.I just believe that desktops line have mature enough to have it.
I know others will not like that but it time is coming, once there were parallel and serial ports on PC. Ethernet is loosing ground and audio poets.
To me the ideal environment is laptop/tablet hook up to docking station to provide extra storage and processing/video power when you need it. But allow flexibility and mobility when you need it.
the first desktop machine I purchase for myself was 25mhz 386 (actually an AMD clone) and not much different than today's - yes today desktop have faster GPU's and CPU's. But you still basically the same external keyboard/mouse/monitor and box has motherboard and memory
HStewart - Monday, February 4, 2019 - link
I wish I could edit these messages because I am surely not a "poet" because it was suppose to be "port" But some people would like having audio poets on their computer :)knocheg - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
I admit that I want one, what is the Bard Rate of your computer's Audio Poet?smilingcrow - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
:)Klaus Eglobal Tech - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
Hi Knocheg,i'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech,fi you want to know more info of the S200,please contact me directly.Klaus Lee
EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD
Email:[email protected]
Skype: [email protected]
Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330
Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
Klaus Eglobal Tech - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Hi Knocheg,I‘m Klaus from Eglobal Tech. If you want to know more info of S200 and how to get one please contact me without hesitate.Klaus Lee
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Email:[email protected]
Skype: [email protected]
Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330
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hanselltc - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Well then you're looking at a very limited amount of physical ports, the CPU only provides so much IO lanes and bandwidth. Dongle city.JanW1 - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
It may well be related to size. This motherboard is only about 13 x 13 cm in size, which is smaller than that of many laptops, and it has a CPU cooler mount taking up quite a bit of space.Korguz - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
HStewart.. it could be partly related to cost.. the price of TB3 enabled peripherals is costly, even just getting a hdd isnt cheap....id rather get a USB 3 enabled drive... but, some here would use it for a display.. which suits them.. but how many would use TB3 for a display ???
milkod2001 - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Why would u need TB3 at home. It would be overkill for 99% of none super nerd users.dontlistentome - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Really? My wife uses two external screens at home, external speakers, plus an external mouse/keyboard combo (she has a Dell XPS).That's at least 4 connectors (2 screens, power, usb) that i replaced with a single cable from a TB3 hub. I can sit at her desk and use the same setup with my work laptop (Thinkpad X1) or my personal one (Dell 7370).
Heck, I can charge my phone with it.
TB3 is the future - it will be baked into the standard Intel silicon in time. We've got docks on every desk at work now (there was no justification previously when these had to be changed every 2 years with new laptop models).
brakdoo - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
How about a regular usb-c with DP and PD? Those are much more widespread in the market (e.g. new Dell displays with dp, power and usb over one usb-c connector).You don't seem to understand that TB3 is just using usb-c alternative mode for DP signals.
TB3 has very few use cases like external graphics cards and a few expansive external SSDs arrays.
dontlistentome - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
I know about usb-c with DP and PD and actually own a device (Asus ZenScreen) that uses it brilliantly. TB3 uses upto two DP data streams for PCI so can carry a mix of data+video (muxed over PCI) so can carry better video - 2 4K60 streams instead of the one in usbc/DP mode. You can also chuck USB3 and PCI data down there at the same time, something you can't do in USB-c mode.Alt mode has a place, but it should be a stop-gap for now. TB is where we should be heading if you have interest in high res screens and decent speed storage.
brakdoo - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
TB is crap with ridiculous active cables.You can have two streams on alternative mode DP with MST (implemented on many nice displays today). You can drive two 4k monitors at 60 hz with DP 1.3 or later over USB-C. Intel CPUs (unlike AMD APUs or dedicated GPUs) only support DP 1.2 for now but you were talking about the future anyway...
DP 1.4 starts with optional compression allowing much higher resolution for the future even over 1 or two DP lanes on USB-C, making space for additional superspeed lanes. Thunderbolt 3 does not allow 8K resolution unless it's compressed too.
HStewart - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
It really kind of silly comparing TB3 to USB-c, because USB-c has no advantage technically over TB3 and TB3 has everything USB-c has and more. PCI Video more is awesome - my dock running LG 38u88 ultra wide and could run additional 4k screen if I desire - too much screen space for my table.GreenReaper - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
It is not silly to compare things for a particular use-case. What is your alternative - just say "TB3" is better, therefore there is no need to choose anything else? Be serious . . .It depends what you want to do with it. To provide its features, TB3 has many requirements, resulting in higher costs. If you don't need all the things it does in one port, maybe you don't need TB3.
HStewart - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
I have found that regular USB-c alternate mode does not drive display as good as TB3 (of course my use of TB3 is only for two Dell XPS 2in1's (13 and 15))But the big advantage of TB3 over normal USB-C is that it can drive more components than USB-C if you have a good dock. Not only does it drive external monitors but a 7 port USB switch in my case.
dontlistentome - Wednesday, February 6, 2019 - link
HStewart. Agree. Had a USBc dock before the TB3s ones got fixed.The talk of MST DP1.3 is irrelevent if all the devices (ultraportable laptops) people have use DP1.2 for now, so MST (if supported by the screen) is limited to 2x2K or 1x4K. Yes, you can use an MST dongle, but we're meant to be using fewer wires here.
The current issue with TB right now is cost (of the docks etc), which I suspect is the reason people keep banaging on about USB-c (which they probably don't have either...).
zmatt - Wednesday, February 6, 2019 - link
Nothing of value was lost. TB3 is impressive with speeds but its just too expensive and very very few users can really use it.What do you need a single 40Gb/s port for exactly? The most common uses given, external video cards and being able to run multiple various devices off a hub only really matter if you have a poorly designed device with just one port. I use a T480 for work. I have never had to use a hub for connectivity.
My desktop has a crap ton of USB 3.1 ports and dedicated ports for sound, ethernet etc. I'm fine. And connecting a videocard to a laptop is silly. You still have the thermal constrains of a laptop. By the time you get the KBM, dock, external display, dGPU and its case you've spent several times what a midrange gaming PC would and it performs worse. Its ultimately an inferior and more costly solution to a desktop and I doubt its seriously used all that much in the real world.
Faster ports are always nice but anything that uses active cables will inevitably fail in the market due to cost and lack of convenience. Passive cables always win out in the end.
dromoxen - Wednesday, February 6, 2019 - link
When 10gE is not fast enough , connect two PC's using TB3 ?? 40Gb/s sounds just about fast enough .. is it being done ??PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
That is a nice design except for the top fan grille. My home is a bit dusty despite my efforts to keep that problem under control so if such a system were sitting with the fan upright as depicted, quite a bit of dust would settle atop it over time only to be ingested by the cooling fan during operation. I guess turning it on its side would help to an extent.PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Oh hah, did anyone look at the photo frame in the background that still contains the little slip of paper with its measurements inside it? Classy!romrunning - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Are you sure the fan in pulling air in, or is it pushing air out? If it's blowing air out, then you won't have dust settling on the top (although it could pull it in from the side slot openings).PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
It's a pull in and push down over the heatsink. That's pretty clear from the fan orientation and blade design in the bare motherboard photo.quarx - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
I presume it is the Core i7-8750H (without K) that can be used in the S200 box? What about the Core i9-8950HK?Klaus Eglobal Tech - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Hi Quarx,i'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech,the S200 can install the Core i9-8950HK too. We sell some of them too.Klaus Lee
EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD
Email:[email protected]
Skype: [email protected]
Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330
Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
hardwickj - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Presumably this would work with ECC if going with the Xeon E-2176M option?Dapuma - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
i7-8750HK? That exists? As far as I know, the i7 8750H is locked, the i7-8850H and i9-8950HK are unlocked, but the i9 is the only one that has a K in its name.PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
Looks like a typo, but I did a quick Google on the CPU and found NewEgg selling an ASUS laptop with the same likely incorrect CPU designation in the title.https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N...
Intel's product designations are a bit confusing and they have a lot of SKUs.
Korguz - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
" Intel's product designations are a bit confusing and they have a lot of SKUs. "a bit confusing and a lot of sku's ?? try VERY confusing and WAY to many sku's ... maybe if intel would trim down their cpu lineup.. and not try to hit price points that are with in the 40-50 buck mark of each other, maybe their supply issues wouldnt be such an issue... trying to decide which intel chip to go with.. is a big headache.. i know some, that have been trying to decide for a while now which cpu to upgrade to... they have chosen pretty much every thing else they need.. but the cpu.... i suggest they just go with ryzen... just 8 choices there, not counting the APU's ( the a6 to a10 line) or threadripper...
10basetom - Tuesday, February 5, 2019 - link
While impressive they were able to squeeze in all that power in such a small form factor (pending heat profile), I can't help but feel like this product is going to have a hard time finding a big audience. A typical person buys a tiny PC to put in their living room to act as a media center or streaming device, and you don't need all that power for this. On the flip side, a content creator looking for a workstation will likely want something that is highly upgradable and will have a dedicated space for a tower PC.tmanini - Wednesday, February 6, 2019 - link
Question about support: I have never dealt with the company before, and should something go wrong in warranty, does anyone have any direct experience with the process and outcome re: EGlobal? While the price is great, if anything but the memory/storage went bad would it be weeks and many back and forth emails to get things 'hopefully' worked out? As a primary system that would be a hard scenario to work with (literally).Klaus Eglobal Tech - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
Hi Tmanini, I'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech.gald to hear you are interested in our Products. For your concern ,i want to say that our products are all with three-year warranty and if it happened Non-human damage ,you can send it back to us and we'll repair it or change a new one to you. Bty if you want to purchase it you can contact me directly.Klaus Lee
EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD
Email:[email protected]
Skype: [email protected]
Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330
Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
Klaus Eglobal Tech - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
Hi friends on AnandTech. I'm Klaus from Eglobal Tech, a experience mini pc manufacturer in China. If you wan to know more info about S200 or other type mini pc ,you can contact me directly.Klaus Lee
EGLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD
Email:[email protected]
Skype: [email protected]
Cell&whatsapp & WeChat:+86 13392172330
Facebook&twitter: [email protected]
dan-1308 - Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - link
hiCan we use non ecc memory with the Xeon ?
Also, only the xeon has vPro right ?
is it possible to have this mini pc, but with 2 Lans ports ?
Would be perfect for a little homelab server