I really have trouble combining "workhorse" and "15W dual core". Yeah, they won't throttle as badly as the 5W models, but only 2 physical cores isn't a lot for anything that's computationally intensive and 15W still means that sustained performance is much lower than burst.
It think the analogy is meant to pertain to the worker. A workhorse gets the job done, day in and day out... chugging along. A thoroughbred wins the races.
I think your horse analogy is backwards. A thoroughbread race horse is low TDP chip that can win a race by being really fast for a short period before thermal throttling and slowing massively. The workhorse is the chip with a higher sustained TDP/clockspeed that can keep going at its target speed all day long.
Those thin monstrocities are anything but "workhorses". Unless all you do at work is browse the web. Ask them to do any real work and they throttle immediately and the laptop gets awfully hot.
That’s why I ended up with a Dell Latitude 5290. It’s a bulky 12.5” laptop with a pretty low res PVA screen, but it rarely throttles. I was testing security system with 11 4K camera feeds recording to Blue Iris with Intel Quicksync and it ran 4c 8t above 3ghz for 15 minutes straight. It got loud but it worked wonderful, and the machine is still figuratively small. Being able to cram a decent size blower into a laptop that has sufficient surface area for a copper heat sink is key more than ever with coffee lake.
One can do, say, video editing on a 15W CPU. I've done it recently. That's because in a lot of well designed laptops, the "15W" quadcores are allowed to draw around 25-30W continuously, which is really closer to allowing 3GHz+ all core turbo.
That being said, the lackluster specs on this laptop don't show much promise. Low gamut display, base 1366x768 option, but no dock to counterbalance it, I'd bet against the Nvidia GPU being a MX150, in favor of a much older MX130.
At least HP has finally stopped shifting the KB to the left on the 13.3" model.
It would basically be an indie/e-sports machine, which is all well and good, but unless you really love MOBAs/Fortnite/Overwatch etc. you're probably better off with a much cheaper switch or ipad. T hese won't be cheap, if the primary use is gaming I'd rather be stepping up to at least a 1050 class GPU for that price.
I will also jump on other folks saying "workhorse"
IMO spec alone says "sure" one can consider them so because the resolution etc is anything but "awesome"CPU wise are "par for the course" in 2018, SSD and memory options are "reasonable" because likely HP being who they are the moment they attach name "pro" drives cost up even when the specs are not really "pro"
the one single thing IMO that holds back that analogy if THEY are the ones using it is that small arse battery, yes there are worse but more often than not their way of "rating" leaves much to be desired (reduce brightness etc) 45Wh is "ok" for sure, but "workhorse" in my opinion is a horse that can do heavy work without stopping for many hours at a time, I do not see this being the case due to extra thin (likely means thermal issues) and so so battery size (with likely not any way to expand it...HP forte..part of the reason I detest most laptop designs these days, cookie cutter designs where they jack hefty price on them but cut down battery sizes because they use "efficient" components...I want both, hefty performance AND battery ^.^)
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DanNeely - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
I really have trouble combining "workhorse" and "15W dual core". Yeah, they won't throttle as badly as the 5W models, but only 2 physical cores isn't a lot for anything that's computationally intensive and 15W still means that sustained performance is much lower than burst.tmanini - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
It think the analogy is meant to pertain to the worker. A workhorse gets the job done, day in and day out... chugging along. A thoroughbred wins the races.DanNeely - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
I think your horse analogy is backwards. A thoroughbread race horse is low TDP chip that can win a race by being really fast for a short period before thermal throttling and slowing massively. The workhorse is the chip with a higher sustained TDP/clockspeed that can keep going at its target speed all day long.benedict - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
Those thin monstrocities are anything but "workhorses". Unless all you do at work is browse the web. Ask them to do any real work and they throttle immediately and the laptop gets awfully hot.Samus - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
That’s why I ended up with a Dell Latitude 5290. It’s a bulky 12.5” laptop with a pretty low res PVA screen, but it rarely throttles. I was testing security system with 11 4K camera feeds recording to Blue Iris with Intel Quicksync and it ran 4c 8t above 3ghz for 15 minutes straight. It got loud but it worked wonderful, and the machine is still figuratively small. Being able to cram a decent size blower into a laptop that has sufficient surface area for a copper heat sink is key more than ever with coffee lake.jeremyshaw - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
One can do, say, video editing on a 15W CPU. I've done it recently. That's because in a lot of well designed laptops, the "15W" quadcores are allowed to draw around 25-30W continuously, which is really closer to allowing 3GHz+ all core turbo.That being said, the lackluster specs on this laptop don't show much promise. Low gamut display, base 1366x768 option, but no dock to counterbalance it, I'd bet against the Nvidia GPU being a MX150, in favor of a much older MX130.
At least HP has finally stopped shifting the KB to the left on the 13.3" model.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
A 15 watt dual core with nvidia MX150 would be great for a portable mini gaming machine, but far from "workhorse" specs.wintermute000 - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
It would basically be an indie/e-sports machine, which is all well and good, but unless you really love MOBAs/Fortnite/Overwatch etc. you're probably better off with a much cheaper switch or ipad. These won't be cheap, if the primary use is gaming I'd rather be stepping up to at least a 1050 class GPU for that price.
Dragonstongue - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
I will also jump on other folks saying "workhorse"IMO spec alone says "sure" one can consider them so because the resolution etc is anything but "awesome"CPU wise are "par for the course" in 2018, SSD and memory options are "reasonable" because likely HP being who they are the moment they attach name "pro" drives cost up even when the specs are not really "pro"
the one single thing IMO that holds back that analogy if THEY are the ones using it is that small arse battery, yes there are worse but more often than not their way of "rating" leaves much to be desired (reduce brightness etc) 45Wh is "ok" for sure, but "workhorse" in my opinion is a horse that can do heavy work without stopping for many hours at a time, I do not see this being the case due to extra thin (likely means thermal issues) and so so battery size (with likely not any way to expand it...HP forte..part of the reason I detest most laptop designs these days, cookie cutter designs where they jack hefty price on them but cut down battery sizes because they use "efficient" components...I want both, hefty performance AND battery ^.^)
jaydee - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
How much money can they possibly be saving by going with the 1366×768 panels on the base models at this point?