Well with a higher TDP ceiling (and better cooling) it can also sustain performance for longer than most phones with the same chip.
With that being said if they're smart they'll also support higher-voltage, higher-clocked RAM. Even 2133 would be a nice step up from the 1866 LPDDR4x smartphones use.
This could be the chip that finally replaces Cherry Trail Atoms. I assume Xiaomi and other Chinese OEMs can make Snapdragon Windows tablets at $500 or less. I thought it was incredibly dumb for HP and Lenovo to make $1000 ARM tablets that can't run a lot of older x86 programs.
The problem is price point.. They were selling them for 1k bc they want to market them as premium product, not cheap laptop so they can get a bigger margin. They market the long battery life as a reason for the premium price. For me and also as the sales show, battery life is not the only factor. Plus laptops are getting pretty good battery life with 8 hr or so.
But when you get to the higher end price points like 700+, all of a sudden Intel chips becomes more at attractive as an alternative.
Of course they can price at 500 bucks but no one wants to get into that market bc that market is so saturated by laptops. And you don't make that much from it.
He was specifically talking about tablets. There aren't many Windows tablets in the $500 and under range, and the ones that exist primarily run old Cherry Trail-T. They could definitely fill the void left by devices like the Surface 3, since Intel pulled the plug on ULP Atom
Anyway it's really up to OEMs what they want to do. I understand they were aiming for premium, but they were too late to the market with the SD 835, and they shot too high. Regardless of laptop or tablet, they need to back off the price a bit.
I wonder how damaging that blunder is for WoA. They just came out and now 850 is pending. Very few early adopters, meh performance. It screams RT all over again. yes I know emulation....but no, its not as good and the impact is very noticeable. makes me think they should have waited for this instead. I for one will not be an early adopter. MS + ARM = I'm staying away. Burned up too much money on that boondoggle.
I'm running a $200 Cherry Trail tablet as my ultralight travel machine and it's fine, although battery life isn't great at 7 hours. An SD850 machine could get equivalent performance for ARM apps and double the battery life.
Windows on ARM was a mistake in pricing, not in features. A lot of Store apps are already compiled for ARM so speed shouldn't be an issue; open source x86 Win32 programs could be recompiled for ARM so that's not an issue either. Either way, performance will be better than on Atom. The problem is that no one wants to spend $1000 on an ARM machine when you can get a Surface M3 for $700 and that runs full x86. $500-800 for Snapdragon PCs sounds more reasonable.
Yes price is a big factor. I aint paying that kind of price for gimped performance. When I can get XPS 13 or a Thinkpad for $800-$900, with 15/16hrs of battery life, and zero compatibility issues compared to WoA, then nope. If WoA offered something orders of magnitude better then maybe. I'm not convinced. At current prices, I definitely aint convinced.
HP's current ARM on Windows machine is marketed as an iPad Pro competitor. Compared to that, it is actually a bit cheaper for similar specs. However, like you, most people don't compare it to the iPad Pro, but to x86 laptops and conclude that they get less performance for a higher price.
Apple Ipad Pro is an overpriced tablet already that doesn't competes against a low end Surface Pro. HP's WoA tablet may be marketed against the IPad Pro, but it looks like a Surface Competitor, acts like a Surface competitor. It shares the same form factor, keyboard style/pen, etc. The main difference being WoA vs Win x86, and the second being its performance is worse than the Surface Pro and the IPad Pro. It obviously doesn't do IOS or OSX or Android so as far as I'm concerned, it's incomparable. Now it does Win10 in either the vastly inferior Win10s version or the Gimped 32bit version of Win 10Pro. So yes, you get less performance, less compatibility, lesser HW than a Surface Pro at the same price point. What is the compelling reason to get this? The 850 may offer better performance but it is still inferior comparatively. Unless you got a hard on for WoA, or you're one of the last died hard W10 phone hold outs, I do not see the point in this product.
"HP's current ARM on Windows machine is marketed as an iPad Pro competitor"
Even I somewhat agree, I think HP and Lenovo are basically the same - they maybe Windows but not designed to replace x86 laptops - but I think Microsoft and especially Qualcomm is hoping people and especially developers will be gullible to think they are. The growth of Windows 10 S is why they came up with these machines.
Even as a Windows developer, I understand in most situations that Native Windows application are more prone to hacker attack - that is why Windows 10 S was created in first place. Apple iOS is more restricted than Windows native applications and even Android apps. But with those restrictions you loose flexibility
As for security form least to most, you probably have
iOS -> Android -> Windows
but flexibly in apps design and abilities you have
Windows Native Apps -> Android -> iOS
As for Windows 10 S apps - security wise is probably between Android and iOS, flexibly in designed is probably less than iOS,
As for native ARM apps vs Native x86 vs Windows APPs, I would say no matter what CPU you run on Windows APPs are like more secure because of security level Microsoft can impose on it. As for Native ARM apps, who knows they could likely have the same faith as Native x86 apps - nobody knows - only big difference in all this security is that x86 has most application natively out there and more hackers - but I seen that virus and malware come on Android lately and this means that Android is growing.
For example Windows has those stupid browser hacks asking gullible users for money for fake number - I have recently see similar on Android.
As someone who made the mistake of obtaining the Dell XPS 12 for my ultralight, your "not great" 7 hours of battery is extremely enviable. Didn't know the device could underperform even the reviews so dramatically.
"Windows on ARM was a mistake in pricing, not in features. "
100% Agree with this statement - at this price it is stupid even for developer to think of recompiling there applications on it. I think Microsoft is using this platform to encourage more store apps. But there are tons of x86 based application out that and they are not going away.
One thing about battery life, it will be uneducated to think that manufactures of both chips and laptop are not trying to make machine with more power and batter life. The funny thing is I have a Lenovo ThinkPad 730 laptop for work that I probably only use less than 5 times without connected to my dual 24 screens.
I agree. When they announce windows on 835, I'm not impressed. Why would I want to so much for a phone Soc performance for Windows. Plus the emulation, performance will be slow.
My problem with a tablet for windows is that apps for windows are horrible (compare to Apple). For tablet i used mini iPad. Why? Bc the hardware is good and the apps are up to date.
Unless Microsoft is commiting to invest in developing a healthy app environment for Windows, a tablet even with great price and hardware is useless.
I am sure you can do what you need to do right now with the apps they have on windows. But the question is, are these apps will be updated 5, 10 years from now?
For me, windows strong point is still in software not apps.
"My problem with a tablet for windows is that apps for windows are horrible (compare to Apple). For tablet i used mini iPad. Why? Bc the hardware is good and the apps are up to date."
I assume you talking about Windows Store apps - development has not really kick off - maybe Microsoft Windows for Qualcomm is attempt to push that.
But Windows desktops are legendary - there are application that I used even today that has copy right notice from 1981 - call me old fashion but it hard to move away from Brief Programmers editor.
Of course there are 3D graphics applications - that it would be disgrace to even try it on this machines - like Lightwave 3D, 3DMax, Vue 2016, AutoCAD (not dumb down app )
And it would actually really funny to try VM Workstation on this thing. Virtual Machine application running on emulated x86 environment - what a laugh that would be.
Emulating x86 with these is still very slow. Pure winstore apps can behave better though. But Atom will be much faster for games and any similar program...
must be blind unless referring to Windows on ARM tablet, just go into Best Buy and see a whole slated them just on Microsoft tablet. Samsung has now 2 of them and tons of 2in1 which is basically tablets that can also be laptops.
This is not a 20-30$ chip , they are gonna charge 60-70$ for it , then you add additional LTE hardware and very hefty licensing fees and you end up with machines that cost 2x as much as Atom based laptops. And it's not the OEMs , they do what they can, the blame goes to Microsoft (for supporting this nonsense) and Qualcomm ofc for being super greedy and irrational.
On the upside , things like SD636 and MTK P60 are really cheap now and wouldn't be too bad if they make it into Chromebooks.
Atom cores don't have anything close to the efficiency of the A75 and LTE connectivity is a welcome fallback; it is also is generally more reliable than sketchy wifi run by whoever owns the building. Licensing is about $10 on the BOM for that device, possibly less since it's not a cellphone. This general licensing model beats that of Intel's of not licensing (to anyone but AMD and VIA) and instead keeping margins at 65% for years without competition. Submitting IP as a standard under FRAND terms capped by BOM at a percentage take constitutes a discount to lower cost OEMs and results in more IP implementers and lower prices and better products for consumers in general. You'll note that all of a sudden Intel is releasing 28 core CPUs at 5 ghz boost due to competition.
These processor specs seem like the ones in the new asus rog phone. Even read the 'tweaked for performance' a bit and was reminded of the asus rog phone press release (if that's what a 5% oc that needs external fans counts for these days).
Price will determine the success of this platform as a whole more than compatibility. With everyone already having multiple devices (phone, tablet & laptop/pc), asking users to shell out another $1000 to beta test these before the 5g rollout just doesn't seem to be an appealing early adopter platform. Not even for very specific use cases.
It also may be just me, but with privacy and security constantly being defeated I just don't see the appeal of always connected anything. But hey, if it can be found south of $300 with a good screen and battery life (and the always connected thing able to be turned off).... I'd still pass lol.
The price point is going to be crucial for success. Given these are LTE enabled, $450 on the low-end side and $750 on the high-end side should be a rigid range or else, the ChromeBooks (<$400) and cheap Intel i3 laptops are going to position $400-$550 range. It comes down to usability, if windows based "tablet" games (if they can be as compelling as iPad games) but priced similarly or lower. With LTE subsciption/subsidy, the carriers might position these as laptop replacements or field devices, so might gain a niche somewhere ....
I always considered this whole Snapdragon Windows as dual CPU, real real CPU (x86) and a Snapdragon, an Optimus like, when just browsing or media consumption you rely on the SD, and when you want real work you switch to the X86 CPU.
AMD could pull this off using IF, their ARM arch knowledge and Qualcomm collaboration for 5G but it might not make any sense since shrinking Ryzen mobile APUs to 7nm and improved battery / screen technology would diminish most incentives. As ARM cores get bigger and more complex to gain x86 market share cost could be the only incentive for the user, and right now the devices are premium priced.
What a waste of time for everybody. Remove the freaking modem, address laptop, tabs and TV boxes with it at a sane price and we might have products we can buy. I don't know why Microsoft is supporting this garbage, Qualcomm and their licensing con obsession. Qualcomm's leadership really needs to go, all of hem or they will run it into the ground.
Yes indeed and I would be concern if I was another ARM manufacture, why is Windows on ARM only supported on Qualcomm - did Qualcomm actually pay for that exclusivity. I a lot of people say Microsoft, Intel have a monopoly but it appears the real monopoly is Qualcomm especially in modem market.
I'd like to see ARM CPUs make some headway into the laptop space, but I don't see why Windows or x86 translation has to be a crucial part of that equation. Android could easily be whipped into working better on keyboard and touchpad-based interface devices with a few minor tweaks. Adequate applications are already largely available through the Play Store and the number of people familiar with Android via their phones is quite large. Sure, there's Chrome, but having used a few Chromebooks over the past year, I can say that an Android phone mounted to a moveable desk arm with a BT keyboard+touchpad is a better experience and can operate more effectively without constant network connectivity. So yeah, let's use ARM, but skip Windows and just pick the OS all of us are already carrying around with us on a daily basis already.
You say easily, I say look at RemixOS and then talk. Android Apps don't reliably scale to my 8 inch tablet screen, let alone a laptop screen. Android Apps also, mostly, don't support split screen, and need forced into individual windows. That means a lot of apps need overridden or the app store advantage disappears.
I see them as separate markets - Windows desktop applications are king and Android / iOS and even in some ways MacOS, Apps are way to go - basically oversize phone. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab S3 and Galaxy Note 8 and basically the Note 8 is like smaller Tab S3 - I actually keep the Tab S3 on my bed it just easier to used that way - of course occasion I take a out a 2in1 one like the Dell XPS 13 2in1 and use it on the bed - but depends on what I am doing.
The only way these type machines can truly replace a Windows x86 laptop besides of course running native application fast to me is being able support multiple monitor. Until that time it never be consider a desktop replacement.
They got to put down the price a lot, take the loss now. Profit later. The LTE connectivity matters little. User's have smartphones anyway. The graphics is better than Intel but AMD can be superior.
This feels like Microsoft taking over Nokia. This will simply fail.
They've got to work with Google for Chrome OS and Android devices. Performance and app availability will be piece of cake but price not far or cheaper from a flagship smartphone. There are much that can be done with Android, only the content creation and gaming is left for Wintel world.
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bubblyboo - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
So just a slightly OC'ed 845 then?Ryan Smith - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
So far it seems that way.Alexvrb - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Well with a higher TDP ceiling (and better cooling) it can also sustain performance for longer than most phones with the same chip.With that being said if they're smart they'll also support higher-voltage, higher-clocked RAM. Even 2133 would be a nice step up from the 1866 LPDDR4x smartphones use.
serendip - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
This could be the chip that finally replaces Cherry Trail Atoms. I assume Xiaomi and other Chinese OEMs can make Snapdragon Windows tablets at $500 or less. I thought it was incredibly dumb for HP and Lenovo to make $1000 ARM tablets that can't run a lot of older x86 programs.Cliff34 - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
The problem is price point.. They were selling them for 1k bc they want to market them as premium product, not cheap laptop so they can get a bigger margin. They market the long battery life as a reason for the premium price. For me and also as the sales show, battery life is not the only factor. Plus laptops are getting pretty good battery life with 8 hr or so.But when you get to the higher end price points like 700+, all of a sudden Intel chips becomes more at attractive as an alternative.
Of course they can price at 500 bucks but no one wants to get into that market bc that market is so saturated by laptops. And you don't make that much from it.
Alexvrb - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
He was specifically talking about tablets. There aren't many Windows tablets in the $500 and under range, and the ones that exist primarily run old Cherry Trail-T. They could definitely fill the void left by devices like the Surface 3, since Intel pulled the plug on ULP AtomAnyway it's really up to OEMs what they want to do. I understand they were aiming for premium, but they were too late to the market with the SD 835, and they shot too high. Regardless of laptop or tablet, they need to back off the price a bit.
Manch - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I wonder how damaging that blunder is for WoA. They just came out and now 850 is pending. Very few early adopters, meh performance. It screams RT all over again. yes I know emulation....but no, its not as good and the impact is very noticeable. makes me think they should have waited for this instead. I for one will not be an early adopter. MS + ARM = I'm staying away. Burned up too much money on that boondoggle.serendip - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I'm running a $200 Cherry Trail tablet as my ultralight travel machine and it's fine, although battery life isn't great at 7 hours. An SD850 machine could get equivalent performance for ARM apps and double the battery life.Windows on ARM was a mistake in pricing, not in features. A lot of Store apps are already compiled for ARM so speed shouldn't be an issue; open source x86 Win32 programs could be recompiled for ARM so that's not an issue either. Either way, performance will be better than on Atom. The problem is that no one wants to spend $1000 on an ARM machine when you can get a Surface M3 for $700 and that runs full x86. $500-800 for Snapdragon PCs sounds more reasonable.
Manch - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Yes price is a big factor. I aint paying that kind of price for gimped performance. When I can get XPS 13 or a Thinkpad for $800-$900, with 15/16hrs of battery life, and zero compatibility issues compared to WoA, then nope. If WoA offered something orders of magnitude better then maybe. I'm not convinced. At current prices, I definitely aint convinced.Martijn ter Haar - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
HP's current ARM on Windows machine is marketed as an iPad Pro competitor. Compared to that, it is actually a bit cheaper for similar specs. However, like you, most people don't compare it to the iPad Pro, but to x86 laptops and conclude that they get less performance for a higher price.Manch - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Apple Ipad Pro is an overpriced tablet already that doesn't competes against a low end Surface Pro. HP's WoA tablet may be marketed against the IPad Pro, but it looks like a Surface Competitor, acts like a Surface competitor. It shares the same form factor, keyboard style/pen, etc. The main difference being WoA vs Win x86, and the second being its performance is worse than the Surface Pro and the IPad Pro. It obviously doesn't do IOS or OSX or Android so as far as I'm concerned, it's incomparable. Now it does Win10 in either the vastly inferior Win10s version or the Gimped 32bit version of Win 10Pro. So yes, you get less performance, less compatibility, lesser HW than a Surface Pro at the same price point. What is the compelling reason to get this? The 850 may offer better performance but it is still inferior comparatively. Unless you got a hard on for WoA, or you're one of the last died hard W10 phone hold outs, I do not see the point in this product.HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
"HP's current ARM on Windows machine is marketed as an iPad Pro competitor"Even I somewhat agree, I think HP and Lenovo are basically the same - they maybe Windows but not designed to replace x86 laptops - but I think Microsoft and especially Qualcomm is hoping people and especially developers will be gullible to think they are. The growth of Windows 10 S is why they came up with these machines.
Even as a Windows developer, I understand in most situations that Native Windows application are more prone to hacker attack - that is why Windows 10 S was created in first place. Apple iOS is more restricted than Windows native applications and even Android apps. But with those restrictions you loose flexibility
As for security form least to most, you probably have
iOS -> Android -> Windows
but flexibly in apps design and abilities you have
Windows Native Apps -> Android -> iOS
As for Windows 10 S apps - security wise is probably between Android and iOS, flexibly in designed is probably less than iOS,
As for native ARM apps vs Native x86 vs Windows APPs, I would say no matter what CPU you run on Windows APPs are like more secure because of security level Microsoft can impose on it.
As for Native ARM apps, who knows they could likely have the same faith as Native x86 apps - nobody knows - only big difference in all this security is that x86 has most application natively out there and more hackers - but I seen that virus and malware come on Android lately and this means that Android is growing.
For example Windows has those stupid browser hacks asking gullible users for money for fake number - I have recently see similar on Android.
lmcd - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
As someone who made the mistake of obtaining the Dell XPS 12 for my ultralight, your "not great" 7 hours of battery is extremely enviable. Didn't know the device could underperform even the reviews so dramatically.HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
"Windows on ARM was a mistake in pricing, not in features. "100% Agree with this statement - at this price it is stupid even for developer to think of recompiling there applications on it. I think Microsoft is using this platform to encourage more store apps. But there are tons of x86 based application out that and they are not going away.
One thing about battery life, it will be uneducated to think that manufactures of both chips and laptop are not trying to make machine with more power and batter life. The funny thing is I have a Lenovo ThinkPad 730 laptop for work that I probably only use less than 5 times without connected to my dual 24 screens.
Cliff34 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I agree. When they announce windows on 835, I'm not impressed. Why would I want to so much for a phone Soc performance for Windows. Plus the emulation, performance will be slow.Cliff34 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
My problem with a tablet for windows is that apps for windows are horrible (compare to Apple). For tablet i used mini iPad. Why? Bc the hardware is good and the apps are up to date.Unless Microsoft is commiting to invest in developing a healthy app environment for Windows, a tablet even with great price and hardware is useless.
I am sure you can do what you need to do right now with the apps they have on windows. But the question is, are these apps will be updated 5, 10 years from now?
For me, windows strong point is still in software not apps.
HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
"My problem with a tablet for windows is that apps for windows are horrible (compare to Apple). For tablet i used mini iPad. Why? Bc the hardware is good and the apps are up to date."I assume you talking about Windows Store apps - development has not really kick off - maybe Microsoft Windows for Qualcomm is attempt to push that.
But Windows desktops are legendary - there are application that I used even today that has copy right notice from 1981 - call me old fashion but it hard to move away from Brief Programmers editor.
Of course there are 3D graphics applications - that it would be disgrace to even try it on this machines - like Lightwave 3D, 3DMax, Vue 2016, AutoCAD (not dumb down app )
And it would actually really funny to try VM Workstation on this thing. Virtual Machine application running on emulated x86 environment - what a laugh that would be.
haukionkannel - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Emulating x86 with these is still very slow. Pure winstore apps can behave better though. But Atom will be much faster for games and any similar program...MutualCore - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
I've never seen a Windows tablet in the wild.HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
"I've never seen a Windows tablet in the wild."must be blind unless referring to Windows on ARM tablet, just go into Best Buy and see a whole slated them just on Microsoft tablet. Samsung has now 2 of them and tons of 2in1 which is basically tablets that can also be laptops.
jjj - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
This is not a 20-30$ chip , they are gonna charge 60-70$ for it , then you add additional LTE hardware and very hefty licensing fees and you end up with machines that cost 2x as much as Atom based laptops.And it's not the OEMs , they do what they can, the blame goes to Microsoft (for supporting this nonsense) and Qualcomm ofc for being super greedy and irrational.
On the upside , things like SD636 and MTK P60 are really cheap now and wouldn't be too bad if they make it into Chromebooks.
Raqia - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Atom cores don't have anything close to the efficiency of the A75 and LTE connectivity is a welcome fallback; it is also is generally more reliable than sketchy wifi run by whoever owns the building. Licensing is about $10 on the BOM for that device, possibly less since it's not a cellphone. This general licensing model beats that of Intel's of not licensing (to anyone but AMD and VIA) and instead keeping margins at 65% for years without competition. Submitting IP as a standard under FRAND terms capped by BOM at a percentage take constitutes a discount to lower cost OEMs and results in more IP implementers and lower prices and better products for consumers in general. You'll note that all of a sudden Intel is releasing 28 core CPUs at 5 ghz boost due to competition.dudedud - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Shouldn't be called 846 instead?anactoraaron - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
These processor specs seem like the ones in the new asus rog phone. Even read the 'tweaked for performance' a bit and was reminded of the asus rog phone press release (if that's what a 5% oc that needs external fans counts for these days).Price will determine the success of this platform as a whole more than compatibility. With everyone already having multiple devices (phone, tablet & laptop/pc), asking users to shell out another $1000 to beta test these before the 5g rollout just doesn't seem to be an appealing early adopter platform. Not even for very specific use cases.
It also may be just me, but with privacy and security constantly being defeated I just don't see the appeal of always connected anything. But hey, if it can be found south of $300 with a good screen and battery life (and the always connected thing able to be turned off).... I'd still pass lol.
fteoath64 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
The price point is going to be crucial for success. Given these are LTE enabled, $450 on the low-end side and $750 on the high-end side should be a rigid range or else, the ChromeBooks (<$400) and cheap Intel i3 laptops are going to position $400-$550 range.It comes down to usability, if windows based "tablet" games (if they can be as compelling as iPad games) but priced similarly or lower. With LTE subsciption/subsidy, the carriers might position these as laptop replacements or field devices, so might gain a niche somewhere ....
Xex360 - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I always considered this whole Snapdragon Windows as dual CPU, real real CPU (x86) and a Snapdragon, an Optimus like, when just browsing or media consumption you rely on the SD, and when you want real work you switch to the X86 CPU.sgeocla - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
AMD could pull this off using IF, their ARM arch knowledge and Qualcomm collaboration for 5G but it might not make any sense since shrinking Ryzen mobile APUs to 7nm and improved battery / screen technology would diminish most incentives.As ARM cores get bigger and more complex to gain x86 market share cost could be the only incentive for the user, and right now the devices are premium priced.
jjj - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
What a waste of time for everybody.Remove the freaking modem, address laptop, tabs and TV boxes with it at a sane price and we might have products we can buy.
I don't know why Microsoft is supporting this garbage, Qualcomm and their licensing con obsession. Qualcomm's leadership really needs to go, all of hem or they will run it into the ground.
HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
Yes indeed and I would be concern if I was another ARM manufacture, why is Windows on ARM only supported on Qualcomm - did Qualcomm actually pay for that exclusivity. I a lot of people say Microsoft, Intel have a monopoly but it appears the real monopoly is Qualcomm especially in modem market.Nehemoth - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
There's a typo in the table, small cores of 850: 4 x Kryo 835 Silver, I believe should be 385 too.PeachNCream - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I'd like to see ARM CPUs make some headway into the laptop space, but I don't see why Windows or x86 translation has to be a crucial part of that equation. Android could easily be whipped into working better on keyboard and touchpad-based interface devices with a few minor tweaks. Adequate applications are already largely available through the Play Store and the number of people familiar with Android via their phones is quite large. Sure, there's Chrome, but having used a few Chromebooks over the past year, I can say that an Android phone mounted to a moveable desk arm with a BT keyboard+touchpad is a better experience and can operate more effectively without constant network connectivity. So yeah, let's use ARM, but skip Windows and just pick the OS all of us are already carrying around with us on a daily basis already.lmcd - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
You say easily, I say look at RemixOS and then talk. Android Apps don't reliably scale to my 8 inch tablet screen, let alone a laptop screen. Android Apps also, mostly, don't support split screen, and need forced into individual windows. That means a lot of apps need overridden or the app store advantage disappears.HStewart - Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - link
I see them as separate markets - Windows desktop applications are king and Android / iOS and even in some ways MacOS, Apps are way to go - basically oversize phone. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab S3 and Galaxy Note 8 and basically the Note 8 is like smaller Tab S3 - I actually keep the Tab S3 on my bed it just easier to used that way - of course occasion I take a out a 2in1 one like the Dell XPS 13 2in1 and use it on the bed - but depends on what I am doing.The only way these type machines can truly replace a Windows x86 laptop besides of course running native application fast to me is being able support multiple monitor. Until that time it never be consider a desktop replacement.
zodiacfml - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
They got to put down the price a lot, take the loss now. Profit later. The LTE connectivity matters little. User's have smartphones anyway. The graphics is better than Intel but AMD can be superior.This feels like Microsoft taking over Nokia. This will simply fail.
They've got to work with Google for Chrome OS and Android devices. Performance and app availability will be piece of cake but price not far or cheaper from a flagship smartphone. There are much that can be done with Android, only the content creation and gaming is left for Wintel world.