While you do lose better support in software/security and get inferior hardware (storage would probably be a much slower type for example), on the other hand the known brands want to take your wallet and a kidney just so you can make calls with their brand new model that it is not usually as much better as they want you to believe, compared to the old model. But it will definitely be more expensive.
While the majority of what you are saying is true... No one is forcing anyone to buy a phone beyond their means.
News flash, corporations are ALWAYS out for their bottom line and their furtherance of their bottom line.
You could take your same argument and say that the car companies are only after your wallet, after all, how many years in a row does a given car company produce the exact same model while only changing their model year and maybe paint codes... Thank god people don't line up outside of the Ford dealer for the latest Fusion because it has this new and radical turn signal.
If all you need is a cellphone to make calls, Nokia/HMD have the phones you need in the right budget. If you are trying to keep up with the the latest trends... Well that is on you isn't it? If you choose to stand in line to the latest iOS device and catch pnuemonia all the while you have the previous generation that makes the same phone calls and answers all the same emails and posts all the same pictures... It's on you isn't it?
My long and meandering post is actually not meant as an attack on you but on that thought process that says it is the corporation's fault, it isn't.
Agreed. TBF though, Nokia/HMD also sell last years flagship at this years prices. Whether or not that's a solid value is up to you. Also no longer made by our Finnish friends. It just a Chinese rebadge which comes with all the risks of being hackware or whatever its called.
If the Chinese Government tells them to put in a backdoor, they put in a backdoor. This is not like in the west where the US can tell Microsoft to give them data, and they can be like "No, see you in court."
Chinese companies are allowed to exist at the whim of the Chinese government. Their embrace of Capitalism only goes as far as their Communist Party has control.
Hahaha. In the US, the government can tell Microsoft to give them data, and issue a gag order that the company never reveal that the data was given to the government. It's been a US law since 1986 (Electronic Communications Privacy Act).
Microsoft is just suing (if you're referring to the Microsoft vs ECPA lawsuit) to be able to tell their customers a few years later that they've given the data to the government, but they give the data to the government every time it's asked, and that's not being challenged.
Microsoft is currently before the Supreme Court arguing to be able to keep their customer data from the Government. They moved the data off shore to protect it, and the Government came for it anyway, and they went to court, and the Government lost and had to appeal to the Supreme Court.
What happens in China if they ask? They give it or their leaders end up in Jail or worse.
From my personal life experience, corporate "managers" in communist country are usually appointed, unofficially of course, by the Party. The "initial capital" to start a business is also given to them by the party. It is expected, naturally, that the outcomes of that business initiatives, are to be delivered to the Party - being profits, market share, strategic technology, military information, etc. The so called "managers" or "owners" can pretty much enjoy spending some significant amount for their lifestyles, and mostly to funnel /i.e. steal/ money from this business initiatives to finance their children education, obtaining citizenship, and purchasing multi-million dollar properties in US or Europe - that's pretty much the only way to extract some of the Party's money for themselves. And, they very likely will end up shot for graft on some stadium, but if lucky - their children will be US millionaires... This is how the Communism works guys, been through that.
That's not Communism that's "Chinese Communism"... let's be honest Communism as idealized never existed, for it to exist everyone would need to understand we are all equal, think of a extremely advanced civilization where all needs are met without any effort, we'll never reach this point as such it will never be possible to have Communism.
Literally the only data Microsoft turns over to the government is that collected from their PhotoDNA project. If you have a OneDrive or Azure account with photos in it, they have all been analyzed by PhotoDNA AI and if suspicious photos are found, those photos are reviewed anonymously by a technician and if they are thought to be illegal in nature, they are investigated not so anonymously (think TSA body scans.)
That's about the extend of what you need to worry about when sharing information on Microsoft servers.
Google is an entirely different story since their business model is dependent on taking your privacy apart and making money on your data anyway they can.
All companies have to respect the law of the land, whether it is in the US or in China. He was refering to this case: http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/united-... The dept. of Justice asked Microsoft to give them access to emails located in Ireland. Microsoft refused (as Ireland is *not* under the US DoJ jurisdiction and doing so would place them at odds with the European Laws). The case has now reached the Supreme Court and is being argued.
In the US, some requests are legal and can be covered by a temporary gag order. As stated, if you want to do business in a country, you need to respect its laws... Although there has been a lot of noise about possible backdoors in Chinese made smartphones, it is unproven so far...
Big Chinese companies are mostly state-owned. It's like bureaucrats in Washington owning and running Apple and Microsoft. Can you imagine ? Because bureaucrats are the way they are, forced technology transfers an IP theft is the only way they can stay afloat or competitive.
"So it's time to rock up on your Hongda motorcycle, wearing a pair of Oakeys, the latest Tucci jacket, carrying a venti Sunbucks, all while speaking on your Huawo." *chuckle* Here in South Africa, there's a specific phrase for el cheapo knock-offs from China: "Fong Kong"
Anyone and everyone should boycott products made by Chinese companies. Not only are they the worldwide king of intellectual property theft, but they have one of the worst records on human rights in the world. A few weeks ago their president also suspended term limits, so they have a defacto dictator now. For decades if you protested the (single) party you got thrown in prison or killed, but it's even worse now. Don't buy Chinese.
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CaptainYan - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
给。。。给跪了Manch - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Kneel to you? LOL Nope, That will never happen.skavi - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
lol, what are you talking aboutchick0n - Saturday, March 10, 2018 - link
it meanswow ... Bravo ... got nothing to say
asustek-zen - Monday, March 12, 2018 - link
he meant... "give...give it to me."Abroad87 - Friday, March 16, 2018 - link
Do not trust Google Translator. That really sucks for far east country's languages.NOOXM - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link
China is the master in copying. But I've used their products. Nothing can match an original <a href="https://youmobile.com.pk/phone/786/huawei-mate-10-... Mate 10</a>yannigr2 - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
While you do lose better support in software/security and get inferior hardware (storage would probably be a much slower type for example), on the other hand the known brands want to take your wallet and a kidney just so you can make calls with their brand new model that it is not usually as much better as they want you to believe, compared to the old model. But it will definitely be more expensive.Maxed Out - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
While the majority of what you are saying is true... No one is forcing anyone to buy a phone beyond their means.News flash, corporations are ALWAYS out for their bottom line and their furtherance of their bottom line.
You could take your same argument and say that the car companies are only after your wallet, after all, how many years in a row does a given car company produce the exact same model while only changing their model year and maybe paint codes... Thank god people don't line up outside of the Ford dealer for the latest Fusion because it has this new and radical turn signal.
If all you need is a cellphone to make calls, Nokia/HMD have the phones you need in the right budget. If you are trying to keep up with the the latest trends... Well that is on you isn't it? If you choose to stand in line to the latest iOS device and catch pnuemonia all the while you have the previous generation that makes the same phone calls and answers all the same emails and posts all the same pictures... It's on you isn't it?
My long and meandering post is actually not meant as an attack on you but on that thought process that says it is the corporation's fault, it isn't.
Manch - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Agreed. TBF though, Nokia/HMD also sell last years flagship at this years prices. Whether or not that's a solid value is up to you. Also no longer made by our Finnish friends. It just a Chinese rebadge which comes with all the risks of being hackware or whatever its called.peterson1 - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
oh no. chinese products? there are hacking devices or firmware built in the kernelprophet001 - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
It is more likely than it is not likely.Sttm - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
If the Chinese Government tells them to put in a backdoor, they put in a backdoor. This is not like in the west where the US can tell Microsoft to give them data, and they can be like "No, see you in court."Chinese companies are allowed to exist at the whim of the Chinese government. Their embrace of Capitalism only goes as far as their Communist Party has control.
andychow - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
Hahaha. In the US, the government can tell Microsoft to give them data, and issue a gag order that the company never reveal that the data was given to the government. It's been a US law since 1986 (Electronic Communications Privacy Act).Microsoft is just suing (if you're referring to the Microsoft vs ECPA lawsuit) to be able to tell their customers a few years later that they've given the data to the government, but they give the data to the government every time it's asked, and that's not being challenged.
Sttm - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
Microsoft is currently before the Supreme Court arguing to be able to keep their customer data from the Government. They moved the data off shore to protect it, and the Government came for it anyway, and they went to court, and the Government lost and had to appeal to the Supreme Court.What happens in China if they ask? They give it or their leaders end up in Jail or worse.
Ananke - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
From my personal life experience, corporate "managers" in communist country are usually appointed, unofficially of course, by the Party. The "initial capital" to start a business is also given to them by the party. It is expected, naturally, that the outcomes of that business initiatives, are to be delivered to the Party - being profits, market share, strategic technology, military information, etc. The so called "managers" or "owners" can pretty much enjoy spending some significant amount for their lifestyles, and mostly to funnel /i.e. steal/ money from this business initiatives to finance their children education, obtaining citizenship, and purchasing multi-million dollar properties in US or Europe - that's pretty much the only way to extract some of the Party's money for themselves. And, they very likely will end up shot for graft on some stadium, but if lucky - their children will be US millionaires...This is how the Communism works guys, been through that.
Strunf - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
That's not Communism that's "Chinese Communism"... let's be honest Communism as idealized never existed, for it to exist everyone would need to understand we are all equal, think of a extremely advanced civilization where all needs are met without any effort, we'll never reach this point as such it will never be possible to have Communism.Hurr Durr - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
You're one gullible goy.Samus - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
Literally the only data Microsoft turns over to the government is that collected from their PhotoDNA project. If you have a OneDrive or Azure account with photos in it, they have all been analyzed by PhotoDNA AI and if suspicious photos are found, those photos are reviewed anonymously by a technician and if they are thought to be illegal in nature, they are investigated not so anonymously (think TSA body scans.)That's about the extend of what you need to worry about when sharing information on Microsoft servers.
Google is an entirely different story since their business model is dependent on taking your privacy apart and making money on your data anyway they can.
frenchy_2001 - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
All companies have to respect the law of the land, whether it is in the US or in China.He was refering to this case:
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/united-...
The dept. of Justice asked Microsoft to give them access to emails located in Ireland. Microsoft refused (as Ireland is *not* under the US DoJ jurisdiction and doing so would place them at odds with the European Laws). The case has now reached the Supreme Court and is being argued.
In the US, some requests are legal and can be covered by a temporary gag order. As stated, if you want to do business in a country, you need to respect its laws...
Although there has been a lot of noise about possible backdoors in Chinese made smartphones, it is unproven so far...
cocochanel - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
Big Chinese companies are mostly state-owned. It's like bureaucrats in Washington owning and running Apple and Microsoft. Can you imagine ?Because bureaucrats are the way they are, forced technology transfers an IP theft is the only way they can stay afloat or competitive.
chick0n - Saturday, March 10, 2018 - link
rofl, you need to stop talking dumba$$in US, the gov doesnt need to ask, they just tap directly into your backbone and copy everything they want. LOL
Flunk - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
The fake Chinese Starbucks is called Teabucks, not "Sunbucks".;)
Findecanor - Tuesday, March 6, 2018 - link
Both exist, actually ...AndrewJacksonZA - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
"So it's time to rock up on your Hongda motorcycle, wearing a pair of Oakeys, the latest Tucci jacket, carrying a venti Sunbucks, all while speaking on your Huawo."*chuckle* Here in South Africa, there's a specific phrase for el cheapo knock-offs from China: "Fong Kong"
tipoo - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
We haven't come full circle, but maybe we've come nested if loop.MisterAnon - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
Anyone and everyone should boycott products made by Chinese companies. Not only are they the worldwide king of intellectual property theft, but they have one of the worst records on human rights in the world. A few weeks ago their president also suspended term limits, so they have a defacto dictator now. For decades if you protested the (single) party you got thrown in prison or killed, but it's even worse now. Don't buy Chinese.