pricing for the commercial version is not mentioned, because it is 1000 dollars. I would assume it is the same price as the previous versions... how could it get anymore expensive?
Only open souce software is a step back IMO. Is LibreOffice the most used office suite? Doubt that. Same for the lack of acrobat. HEVC is another disappointment.
They'd need some collaboration effort with Microsoft to get their blessing on being able to hook into Office applications at such a native level when doing these benchmarking tasks.
LibreOffice is a lot easier to do this native testing in due to its open source nature; they can look up the code to see how they can invoke opening a document, generating 1000 pages of "Lorem Ipsum", doing a Ctrl + H find and replace all, etc. from the runtime of their own executable benchmark, and evaluate to a fine level the amount of time it took to complete these tasks to the clock cycle.
Can you do Word and Excel based productivity benchmarking? Yeah, but it's manual and I hope you're quick and accurate with that stop watch. Why is it manual? Well go ask Microsoft why they continue to build walled garden closed source software where making extensions is difficult or impossible to accomplish.
I doubt Word & Excel-based productivity benchmarking is that difficult. SYSmark 2014 SE does it without any issues. Also, you can always use AutoIt scripting to achieve the required 'workload' and 'automate' it similar to the way a real user would interact (PCMark 10 also uses AutoIt).
Wasn't actually aware of AutoIt existing. In that case, yes, I do agree that dropping Word/Excel automation, which could otherwise be done via AutoIt is short-sighted.
PCMark 8 includes this exact thing as a separate application test. Implementing one is not that difficult. It is likely that a separate test for MS Office is added to PCMark 10 at a later date.
But requiring everyone who wants to run PCMark 10 to first buy and install Microsoft Office is not really feasible as it is commercial software. For the baseline tests that should be usable without any other prerequisites, what you propose unfortunately doesn't work.
HVEC is not used because it is not supported on Windows 7 by the OS.
Also when PCMark 10 development started, HVEC licensing was... complicated. Software implementations on computers still had per-application licensing fees for the codec. Open source solutions were in a legal limbo. Since then HVEC licensing terms have changed, but it was too late for this benchmark.
So what is the video editing software? looks like it certainly isn't something GPU- accelerated... what resolution video? what bit depth? what codec? what data rate? these can make massive differences.
Of course, other sites will just use it sight unseen...
Uses FFMPeg. It is GPU accelerated if your system has GPU acceleration support for Windows Media Foundation. It uses Intel QuickSync if it is present and driver supports it. A part of it also uses OpenCL which is GPU accelerated if system supports that. See Page 57 of the technical guide for full details.
The DAS test bench uses a 6600K with IGP, not a discrete GPU. My guess is that it ended up being thermally constrained (throttled) when left on performance mode. Now if they used a discrete GPU, it would likely be the fastest mode.
Entire article is laid out as a confusing mess. There is no 'Constant' to keep the reader centered (who knows the capabilities/ difference between any of these machines, unless they own at least 3, for Cheeses sake?) On top of that the machines(who?) move position in the graphs.. I thought the point of this exercise was to show how this tool may be of comparable use, but without a reference to a known machine running pc mark 8 (and scores to compare) this article may as well be about the mating habits of a newly discovered sewer bred crocodile.
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surfnaround - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
pricing for the commercial version is not mentioned, because it is 1000 dollars. I would assume it is the same price as the previous versions... how could it get anymore expensive?surfnaround - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Ignore the post above... i though i was talking about 3Dmark... D'oh!waltsmith - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Well, sounds like they are headed in the right direction!!TelstarTOS - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Only open souce software is a step back IMO. Is LibreOffice the most used office suite? Doubt that. Same for the lack of acrobat. HEVC is another disappointment.BrokenCrayons - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
There's no doubt that LibreOffice is far behind MS Office, however there are signs of growth. In 2015, there were an estimated 100 million users.Source: http://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-now-has...
JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
They'd need some collaboration effort with Microsoft to get their blessing on being able to hook into Office applications at such a native level when doing these benchmarking tasks.LibreOffice is a lot easier to do this native testing in due to its open source nature; they can look up the code to see how they can invoke opening a document, generating 1000 pages of "Lorem Ipsum", doing a Ctrl + H find and replace all, etc. from the runtime of their own executable benchmark, and evaluate to a fine level the amount of time it took to complete these tasks to the clock cycle.
Can you do Word and Excel based productivity benchmarking? Yeah, but it's manual and I hope you're quick and accurate with that stop watch. Why is it manual? Well go ask Microsoft why they continue to build walled garden closed source software where making extensions is difficult or impossible to accomplish.
ganeshts - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
I doubt Word & Excel-based productivity benchmarking is that difficult. SYSmark 2014 SE does it without any issues. Also, you can always use AutoIt scripting to achieve the required 'workload' and 'automate' it similar to the way a real user would interact (PCMark 10 also uses AutoIt).JoeyJoJo123 - Friday, June 9, 2017 - link
Wasn't actually aware of AutoIt existing. In that case, yes, I do agree that dropping Word/Excel automation, which could otherwise be done via AutoIt is short-sighted.FMJarnis - Thursday, June 22, 2017 - link
PCMark 8 includes this exact thing as a separate application test. Implementing one is not that difficult. It is likely that a separate test for MS Office is added to PCMark 10 at a later date.But requiring everyone who wants to run PCMark 10 to first buy and install Microsoft Office is not really feasible as it is commercial software. For the baseline tests that should be usable without any other prerequisites, what you propose unfortunately doesn't work.
FMJarnis - Thursday, June 22, 2017 - link
HVEC is not used because it is not supported on Windows 7 by the OS.Also when PCMark 10 development started, HVEC licensing was... complicated. Software implementations on computers still had per-application licensing fees for the codec. Open source solutions were in a legal limbo. Since then HVEC licensing terms have changed, but it was too late for this benchmark.
aprilrussell - Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - link
I think HVEC is not used because it is not supported on Windows 7 by the OS.Visit: http://fivenightsat-freddys.com
Draven31 - Tuesday, June 6, 2017 - link
So what is the video editing software? looks like it certainly isn't something GPU- accelerated... what resolution video? what bit depth? what codec? what data rate? these can make massive differences.Of course, other sites will just use it sight unseen...
FMJarnis - Thursday, June 22, 2017 - link
PCMark 10 technical guide covers all that:https://www.futuremark.com/downloads/pcmark10-tech...
Uses FFMPeg. It is GPU accelerated if your system has GPU acceleration support for Windows Media Foundation. It uses Intel QuickSync if it is present and driver supports it. A part of it also uses OpenCL which is GPU accelerated if system supports that. See Page 57 of the technical guide for full details.
ET - Tuesday, June 6, 2017 - link
Why is the gaming score lower for the high performance profile? That's counter-intuitive, and goes against all the other tests.nathanddrews - Tuesday, June 6, 2017 - link
The DAS test bench uses a 6600K with IGP, not a discrete GPU. My guess is that it ended up being thermally constrained (throttled) when left on performance mode. Now if they used a discrete GPU, it would likely be the fastest mode.nathanddrews - Tuesday, June 6, 2017 - link
To be clear - the IGP heats up the die package more than when the CPU alone is working.Link to the DAS test bed:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10057/samsung-portab...
JohnLinc - Monday, June 12, 2017 - link
thisistotesthedelayforwebJoe Shmoe - Saturday, August 19, 2017 - link
Entire article is laid out as a confusing mess.There is no 'Constant' to keep the reader centered (who knows the capabilities/ difference between any of these machines, unless they own at least 3, for Cheeses sake?)
On top of that the machines(who?) move position in the graphs..
I thought the point of this exercise was to show how this tool may be of comparable use, but without a reference to a known machine running pc mark 8 (and scores to compare) this article may as well be about the mating habits of a newly discovered sewer bred crocodile.