Oohh... Poor anand... Again to the rescue. Intel damage control ON. Semi critical flaw. They are getting bricked. It's not like spontaneous combustion. https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2Sqezn4phF7VNDLq/2... I mean spontaneous combustion is leathal. You can always use the bricked nas as a cat litter box. You guys are getting warmed up for the great Zen Review.
I don't understand what you're trying to discuss in your comment. This article is about an Intel server chip based on Atom. It doesn't have anything to do with AMD's Zen.
Though his sentiment was poorly conveyed, the content isn't so far off. This is a pretty major flaw, and if AMD can capitalize on it, this would be very good for them.
Or, just maybe, the time to collect all the available information and roll it into a more comprehensive piece instead of posting a me-too "Atom parts go boom, film at eleven" article. The big pile of home NAS boxes with C2000 parts is new to me, and of great interest to the reader.
Intel also had an issue with early steppings of the H/Z87 chipsets whereby the chipset would burn out very rapidly iirc. They caught it only weeks prior to the official release of boards with the affected chipset and managed to limit the public exposure to the faulty chipsets.
I've had the IGP fail on a sandy bridge and ivy bridge cpu, which is interesting when you remember they are built on different manufacturing processes.
One chip simply outputs no video, the other chip works fine until you install Intel graphics drivers (standard vga adapter driver works ok)
Both chips tested in multiple different motherboards where identical stepping equivalents functioned fine. Just failed CPU's
Lets see if the NAS vendors can rustle up enough support staff to deal with this. My experience so far matches that on Amazon reviews, which is that they are pretty hopeless.
Intel has had an alarming number of Q&A issues over the past 5-6 years; TSX bug, SATA bug on P67 (and X79?), Bluetooth issues on WiFi chips, and the various issues they've had with their NUCs.
They've been really, really lucky that AMD is (surprisingly) even more incompetent.
Or because the leading edge silicon is susceptible to such a flaws based on time, material and physics law. Have you ever thought about that? AMD failure is not only quality, but management and design.
Your response would hold water if the same issues were frequently experienced on competing processors, like Power8 and ARM. To the best of my knowledge they have not experienced so many significant design flaws in the last few years.
TBH I don't think Power8 and ARM compare to Intel. Apple does, though. The A series has been flawless, which is really quite impressive. But perhaps they can hide any hardware failings in their software, seeing as they're uniquely vertically interested...
Questions and Answers issues? Sorry to be nit-picking here but I work as a QА and this bugged me a lot :) It comes from Quality Assurance not Quality AND Assurance. Grammar Nazi - OUT! ;)
So really the question is - how many tens of millions of devices are affected?
How much is sending out replacement systems and/or engineer visits going to cost to fix them all, over the next few years? And I expect that all this cost will be met by Intel if they want to retain the business of these OEMs.
Interesting...I just had a Synology DS1815+ go into a boot loop after a restart, then when I cut power to manually it never managed to boot up again. Replaced the power supply and still had the problem - had to send it to Synology for replacement, which was reasonably painless. I wonder if this is what happened to it considering it was all of 18 months old.
Can anyone interpret what Supermicro's response even means? I've had an Avoton Motherboard since they came out and it's running some rather critical VM's for me, I'd rather not risk it failing but the response from Supermicro on the linked website leaves a lot to be desired as far as explanation of what the terms are.
Has anyone out there in ATLand talked to Supermicro directly?
Flaws happen from time to time. Pentium FDIV anyone? I'm surprised it warranted mentioning in a conference call, unless they think it'll be a bigger deal than it seems.
Well, it's going to cost a lot to sort out, wiping out most if not all profit from this chip. Plus the hit to reputation, which can or will affect future earnings.
This includes Cisco's top of the line Nexus 9000 series core switches. That would be more like "Author's two year old Porsche has the engine seize" = "semi-critical" ;-)
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Yorgos - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Oohh... Poor anand... Again to the rescue.Intel damage control ON.
Semi critical flaw.
They are getting bricked. It's not like spontaneous combustion.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2Sqezn4phF7VNDLq/2...
I mean spontaneous combustion is leathal. You can always use the bricked nas as a cat litter box.
You guys are getting warmed up for the great Zen Review.
BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
I don't understand what you're trying to discuss in your comment. This article is about an Intel server chip based on Atom. It doesn't have anything to do with AMD's Zen.DanNeely - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
It's a wannabe pro-AMD troll scoring a failing grade for failing to produce even vaguely coherent drivel.fanofanand - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Though his sentiment was poorly conveyed, the content isn't so far off. This is a pretty major flaw, and if AMD can capitalize on it, this would be very good for them.Gigaplex - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
AMD doesn't have much in the way competing with this particular product.BrokenCrayons - Friday, February 10, 2017 - link
M'kay, I gotcha. I still don't quite understand being so loyal to a brand that it's necessary to attack people/ideas that are disagreeable.ddriver - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
They also did take 2 weeks to even publish it, I suppose that's the time it took to figure how to best smooth-talk it...LordOfTheBoired - Sunday, February 12, 2017 - link
Or, just maybe, the time to collect all the available information and roll it into a more comprehensive piece instead of posting a me-too "Atom parts go boom, film at eleven" article. The big pile of home NAS boxes with C2000 parts is new to me, and of great interest to the reader.Ej24 - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Intel also had an issue with early steppings of the H/Z87 chipsets whereby the chipset would burn out very rapidly iirc. They caught it only weeks prior to the official release of boards with the affected chipset and managed to limit the public exposure to the faulty chipsets.Quantumz0d - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
It was the USB3.0 bug with the Haswell C0 Chipset revision they had upped the stepping to C2 to fix the flaw.yuhong - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
They are probably referring to something only in the NDA spec updates.close - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Well Intel is no stranger to chipset issues with the dreaded SATA bug: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4142/intel-discovers...Achaios - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
That's not correct. As I own a Z87 based system (ASUS Maximus VI Hero), the stepping revision of my Lynx Point Chipset reads "06" and not "02".AFAIR, the previous revision of Lynx Point which was withdrawn was "05".
bananaforscale - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Also the USB bug of first gen Baytrails. I have an affected Z3740 in this laptop.Samus - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
I've had the IGP fail on a sandy bridge and ivy bridge cpu, which is interesting when you remember they are built on different manufacturing processes.One chip simply outputs no video, the other chip works fine until you install Intel graphics drivers (standard vga adapter driver works ok)
Both chips tested in multiple different motherboards where identical stepping equivalents functioned fine. Just failed CPU's
BedfordTim - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Lets see if the NAS vendors can rustle up enough support staff to deal with this. My experience so far matches that on Amazon reviews, which is that they are pretty hopeless.mrdude - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Intel has had an alarming number of Q&A issues over the past 5-6 years; TSX bug, SATA bug on P67 (and X79?), Bluetooth issues on WiFi chips, and the various issues they've had with their NUCs.They've been really, really lucky that AMD is (surprisingly) even more incompetent.
Vlad_Da_Great - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Or because the leading edge silicon is susceptible to such a flaws based on time, material and physics law. Have you ever thought about that? AMD failure is not only quality, but management and design.fanofanand - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Your response would hold water if the same issues were frequently experienced on competing processors, like Power8 and ARM. To the best of my knowledge they have not experienced so many significant design flaws in the last few years.Meteor2 - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
TBH I don't think Power8 and ARM compare to Intel. Apple does, though. The A series has been flawless, which is really quite impressive. But perhaps they can hide any hardware failings in their software, seeing as they're uniquely vertically interested...Meteor2 - Friday, February 10, 2017 - link
That should have been intergrated, not interested!HrD - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Questions and Answers issues? Sorry to be nit-picking here but I work as a QА and this bugged me a lot :) It comes from Quality Assurance not Quality AND Assurance. Grammar Nazi - OUT! ;)fanofanand - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
I work as QA as well, sometimes you just have to let non-critical flaws go :)psychobriggsy - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
So really the question is - how many tens of millions of devices are affected?How much is sending out replacement systems and/or engineer visits going to cost to fix them all, over the next few years? And I expect that all this cost will be met by Intel if they want to retain the business of these OEMs.
fanofanand - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Read the article, Intel has already set aside a hefty chunk of cash for this.billybeer321 - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Interesting...I just had a Synology DS1815+ go into a boot loop after a restart, then when I cut power to manually it never managed to boot up again. Replaced the power supply and still had the problem - had to send it to Synology for replacement, which was reasonably painless. I wonder if this is what happened to it considering it was all of 18 months old.Vlad_Da_Great - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
E39xx are better, perfect time to upgrade.Alexvrb - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Perfect time to throw money out the window, got it.rahvin - Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - link
Can anyone interpret what Supermicro's response even means? I've had an Avoton Motherboard since they came out and it's running some rather critical VM's for me, I'd rather not risk it failing but the response from Supermicro on the linked website leaves a lot to be desired as far as explanation of what the terms are.Has anyone out there in ATLand talked to Supermicro directly?
fanofanand - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Excellent timing for AMD!Meteor2 - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
...ouch.catavalon21 - Thursday, February 9, 2017 - link
Flaws happen from time to time. Pentium FDIV anyone? I'm surprised it warranted mentioning in a conference call, unless they think it'll be a bigger deal than it seems.Meteor2 - Friday, February 10, 2017 - link
Well, it's going to cost a lot to sort out, wiping out most if not all profit from this chip. Plus the hit to reputation, which can or will affect future earnings.hechacker1 - Saturday, February 11, 2017 - link
Huh. I wonder if this is why my supermicro avoton board died unexpectedly last year. It was a $300 replacement sadly for my home built NAS.dhotay - Tuesday, February 14, 2017 - link
Heck, looks like The Register is a better source for reporting than Purch. I wonder if that's because Purch is a paid content consortium.wow&wow - Wednesday, February 15, 2017 - link
"no longer be able to boot" = "Semi-Critial," what a wow and wow of kissing Intel's Axx!"Author's a-few-year new car no longer be able to start" = "semi-critical" : )
Griffinme - Friday, February 17, 2017 - link
This includes Cisco's top of the line Nexus 9000 series core switches. That would be more like "Author's two year old Porsche has the engine seize" = "semi-critical" ;-)