Linux was never ever "the best". It has it's place, sure, but I'll tell you right now the biggest drawback is having to wrangle with the CLI whenever something goes wrong, and it inevitability will.
This. Linux will never reach as wide an audience (discounting mobile OSes) as, say Windows, because most normal people are unwilling to learn how to use their own computers.
Sad reality. I hope that the increased integration of computer science courses within middle and high schools help reverse the downward trend of tech-savvy but yet not-tech-savvy consumers.
Linux as a computer operating system is excellent, far better than M$CR@P. Just look at Android vs competitors in the mobile market. It is without competition in the server and supercomputer market as well. It only sucks on the PC really...
Where it lacks is on a GUI shell, which makes it a very lousy user operating system. All the major distros, regardless of whatever superlatives whoever may throw at them, are entirely pathetic at providing a decent user experience. I am a power user, and use Linux to a decent degree, and I find even the most allegedly "user friendly" distro totally appalling.
A "mere mortal" could not possibly deal with that, which I guess is true to some degree for windoze, but Linux is just plain out awful. I have to spend an hour typing in the terminal to get a new Debian install to work adequately. Ubuntu is a little better, or more accurately, a little less bad, but still no cigar.
Naturally, the lack of software doesn't help either. M$ have spent decades locking in software developers. Today it is a tad better, but back in the days it was practically impossible to write portable software, you had to chose a platform and stick to it, porting to another platform with its own APIs and idioms is a nightmare.
Worst part is that by the time Linux gets close to a good GUI shell it will probably be ruined. It is already heading that way and fast. Open is good, but with moderation, and Linux is currently too open for its own good. And Torvalds, as great as he might be at what he does, is a near-sighted, narrow-minded person as are pretty much all other influential figures at the foundation. They can't see what's truly good for Linux and are hopelessly stuck believing that it is openness, which will end up ruining it. I am fairly new to Linux, and I am already planning my departure from it for all workflows which allow it like I did with windoze, looking forward to either FreeBSD, potentially even a brand new OS from scratch.
Android isn't winning the mobile market because of technical excellence :-) It's winning the mobile market because it was the first non-Apple mobile OS for smart phones.
There was windoze CE a full 12 years before android, but it was complete garbage. Android is fairly decent, excluding a few niche omissions, for example low latency audio.
The ecosystem is open enough, you can install applications at will, and you can run it without installing any google apps and services.
It is not really a matter of technical excellence either, Linux is technically excellent but that only gets it far in fields where technical excellency matters - servers, supercomputers, embedded, critical and real time applications. And while it is true that most people actually depend on this, it is indirectly and someone else's job, technical excellence doesn't do much about your average Joe's computing needs directly.
It is a matter of user friendliness and usability. Linux is very user unfriendly, and not too usable in a wide context. There are very few prosumer applications that run on Linux. Barely any contemporary AAA games.
The latter is also true for Android, which is why it ain't making too much gains on the desktop, it lacks the apps. What made it successful on mobile is that those devices are strictly oriented towards content consumption, so the lack of prosumer software doesn't really hurt adoption.
I am sure a model AT reader would be kissing the ground under M$ feet, same as for any other big lousy corporation. Then there are people with high standards and expectations who do not settle for the mediocrity of consumerism.
Using pejorative terms is a common element of speech to express contempt or disapproval. It is cr@p and they are greedy b-holes, so my terminology is very much appropriate. Also, if you think those are the most prominent elements that make up my point, then you are completely clueless regarding the substance of my post, and are now nitpicking over trivialities because you don't have anything more substantial to say.
They are not "prominent" but they do severely degrade your comments. You can write criticism without using jargon that fanboys use.
Such terms are only common in forums and comment sections. No professional tech website, even those most critical of MS, would ever use them.
I have a problem with a lot of things that MS does, but I don't let my personal feelings take over to such an extent. That's not how a rational person should act.
The same applies if the criticism is aimed towards google, apple, etc.
This is not a professional technology website LOL. It's main audience is clueless wannabes who have no cheaper way of considering themselves smart than to visit here.
Are you by any chance a fascist? Who says your way is best and everyone has to do it the same way? While we are at it, let's not use any sarcasm, irony or cynicism, and lets all sound like sheep on prozac while we are at it. Because freedom and diversity of expression is not important, what's important is to show obedience and respect for the greedy corporations who have set humanity back by decades in their sick aspirations to pile money.
Sorry, but I don't think I can be convinced to settle for that by words, many have tried in far more eloquent ways than yours, and if you have such a big problem with it, the only thing you can do is come and make me ;) Those who deserve disrespect must be treated with such, if you don't, you are disrespecting yourself, and if you don't mind that, you are no better than cattle.
I was completely polite towards you in my comments and yet you disrespect me for some reason. Fascist? Cattle?
Writing words like M$, cr@pple, etc. is not sarcasm, irony or cynicism. It's just childish.
You obviously know your stuff and I agree with most of what you wrote up there in regard to windows and linux but it seems you also like to be disrespectful for some reason.
As for corporations, it's capitalism at work. They ALL can and will do things given the chance. Yes, no one should completely surrender to capitalism, by being a smart consumer and also pointing out its flaws, but there is also no need to be so hostile.
No, I don't want to convince or make you. I was just suggesting that a person can be of a higher standard. If you don't want to, then keep at it. It's your thing but don't expect others to like it.
I don't know how capitalism can "deserve disrespect". It's not a person with feelings. It's an economic system. If people had a better system, they would've used that instead.
The thing is that nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is intrinsically good or bad. What really matters is how it is used. Everything can be used, and can be misused. You can use a gun to murder somebody for his shoes, you can use a gun to protect your family from a getting murdered for their shoes. You can use a spoon to eat your soup, you can use a spoon to scoop somebody's eyes out. You hopefully get the point.
Apparently, you believe that pejorative forms of corporate monikers are always bad and childish. However, there is a good reason for you to believe that, because it enables you a cheap and easy way to feel superior - if using pejorative is always childish and bad, all you have to do is not use it and condemn it, and voila - you are better for it, or at least that's what you believe, which is good enough for you believers. And it is that belief of yours, and that necessity it satisfies, which prevent you from detecting a very much appropriate usage for M$ and cr@pple. It really boils down to the contexts. Is it a mere `cr@pple is FOS (and I don't mean free and open source)`, or is it `cr@pple is blah blah blah - a bunch of actual and well substantiated point making`.
As for the " If people had a better system, they would've used that instead" part, assume all you have is a bowl of urine and a bowl of excrement. And you had to ingest one of the two on a daily basis. Let's assume you'd go for the urine, because you have nothing better to ingest instead. Would you be glad and grateful for it? Would you throw superlatives and express admiration for the urine, or even show it respect? I don't think so.
Because see, it is not really a case of "better" as in "objectively better", it is a case of "better" as in "less bad" but still very much in the negative axis. And even if urine is less bad than excrement, that doesn't really make it good. It is what it is, but you don't have to like it, much less respect it, because respect cannot be granted, bought, or bestowed upon, it can only be earned. And when what's earned is the full opposite of respect, it is your responsibility to give it what its worth just as it would be to show respect to that, which is worthy of it.
Lets for a moment imagine a "better world", a world in which all people are as childish and silly as me, and fed up with Apple they all start referring to it as cr@pple. Would they still be in the position to be cr@ppy? Or will that either make them change their ways for the better or at least destroy them?
You are offended by, or at the very least seem to have a problem with "cattle" and "fascist", however, I don't think that would have been the case if it didn't really apply to you. And I don't use those terms to offend anyone, but to indicate to all those who feel offended that then have a flaw they can work on and thus get better.
It is not much different with mocking corporations. As long as people bow to corporations, they will have things their way, they will never listen to what people actually want, instead they will dummify people to dictate them that they actually want products which are less for their own use than they are for them to be used by corporations.
You say it is childish and silly, I say it is my moral duty to call things as they really are. I also say by not doing so, you are betraying your own species to its degradation. If you show respect and obedience to your milker, you are indeed cattle. And you having a problem with those who are not is just you being exemplary cattle, trying to call back the "strays" into the herd. So pardon me if I don't conform to your narrow worldview :)
The fact that you are comparing what I do to a fanboy actually speaks very bad of you. In reality, you are much, much closer to a fanboy than I am. In fact, I am the full opposite of it, while you are effectively a lesser form of it.
What makes a fanboy is not the world that he uses, but what he does through it. What does a fanboy do? He is being a FAN. Of a corporation. He may mock corporations A, but only out of a sense of indebted obligation to corporation B, which happens to be a competitor to A. The only difference between you and a fanboy is that with you the obligation is directed equally to all corporations, while with a fanboy it will be concentrated in a very specific direction. That could result in an artifact that the fanboy will mock one company, but it will be mocking it for the wrong reasons.
I don't mock M$ because of sense of indebted obligation to cr@pple, and I don't mock cr@pple because of sense of indebted obligation to M$. I mock them because that's what they deserve. I am merely calling things as they are, something that is very important, and unfortunately very rare these days, to a serious detriment to society as a whole.
I actually expect you to have much more of a problem with me than with even the most obnoxious and silly fanboy, because a fanboy is a lot like you, only more broken, so it doesn't bring the kind of discord to the cattle mentality as dissidents like me do, who make concrete points and state facts which even if you consciously deny trouble you subconsciously nonetheless. And again, I don't aim to insult you, just to motivate you to overcome this, although I won't be holding my breath... Good luck!
... becasue writing M$ and cr@pple in internet's echo chambers have an effect on corporations and capitalism.
All they do is to make their users look silly and childish.
Feel free to offend me more. It seems it is you that likes to feel superior over a person with a "narrow worldview". I was thought to be polite and respect others. I suppose that makes me inferior to you.
You seem to be failing at simple logic and common sense, much more worrisome than failing in your "third language". Are you sure it ain't your fifth? As if your insecurities needed more showcasing LOL, also, sounding silly to silly people ain't no problem for me, it would be far worse if I didn't, it would mean I am in the same bag you are in :D
The attention or approval of people "appalled" by pejorative forms of corporate monikers is below worthless. It is always and only your own loss if you are prejudiced and superficial. Tomorrow you may pass by a nugget of gold and leave it in the mud, just because it is covered in dirt ;)
Wisdom is far more precious than gold, but it takes some capacity to recognize it, even more to make something out of it. You appear to lack the requirements. You will not take the gold nugget either, because you will never know that it is gold, to the ignorant it will remain a ball of dirt.
Thanks for the new insults. I didn't know that this is the way to be superior. I'm learning a lot from the "wisdom" written here. People should read the comments on the internet for "wisdom", and it's free too.
Your "wisdom" is too massive to contain and absorb. Such a pity. Only if I could learn to disrespect others like you. The world is missing on such "wisdom".
It's odd that, despite a few annoyances with HP printers and other random third party software windows, over the last 10 years in the company that I work for, has caused very little issues. I look after the OS all day, every single day apart from most weekends.
Yet someone like yourself just appears and calls it crap. Really, really odd.
"most normal people are unwilling to learn how to use their own computers" -> no, they are unwilling to spend hours and hours to learn a difficult way to use their computers, when there are easier ways that do not require huge waste of time to do simple things.
The biggest drawbacks to Linux are - The online info is all written for folks who have been using Linux for 5+ years and skips the first 7 stages cos...you should know it already. Then the next is if you then go asking for the initial 7 stages on any Linux forum you get "Go learn this stuff NOOB!"
Oh yes and once you say you've installed Linux you get told by 15 neckbeards that you installed the wrong distro.
There's a steep learning curve and yes, there are points where you have to go digging for resources that actually have the information you're looking for, but there are lots of beginner-friendly publications out there AND forums have much more mainstream/helpful people in them than you're implying. Although people do have preferred distros (Mint is my favorite, for example) but that kind of response from others about a choice of a particular distro is really uncommon. People just aren't like that and those few who are generally keep to themselves or are easily ignored.
Had this been 1998-2002 or so I might have agreed with you that the Linux user community was caustic. Some elements of it still are, especially when it concerns women getting into development because many of the programmers feel like they can say whatever they want because they're working basically for free, but the user-facing and user-supporting portions if the community have gotten more mainstream and much better in the past decade and a half. I'd say it's about equal to the mix of vitriol and reason that you find anywhere else on the Internet, including the comments section of AT.
I've dabbled in Linux since the late 1990s and only fully converted (except for one desktop PC I dumped in a corner with no monitor that I use for Steam streaming to my Linux boxes...which is itself becoming progressively less useful with the number of Linux-friendly games on a sharp rise in Steam) after Windows 8 and 10 were looking more and more like Microsoft telemetry and data mining tools than operating systems. It was a rough conversion for a few months while I spent time learning and tapping into resources to find useful information, but I don't regret it. However, I also don't really recommend people try to dive right in all at once or even at all depending on their comfort level with computers. Its certainly not an OS for everyone and I'm not sure it ever will reach that point, but with new installs of Windows 7 having problems with update services that are very broken and my lack of desire to mess with 10's more aggressive data collection, it might be the right choice.
Sometimes people don't realize that their own behaviour is ultimately the cause for their poor treatment from others. Then again, sometimes they do and relish in that sort of thing. Take a look inside with as little of your own personal bias as possible and you might discover one of those two possibilities is the case. :3
The concept of a software repository wasn't earthshattering stuff when it first hit Linux. You already had websites that were essentially repositories. Modern app stores have taken it a lot further over the years, including improvements to compilation (local OR cloud) and packaging/containers, updates. With that being said, there was a lot of resistance to an Apple or Google style App Store for Windows for various reasons. Some were companies like Steam who didn't want to share a cut, and others were silly like users who didn't want anything to do with a program that wasn't Win32 and didn't come on floppies (or some such other nonsense, who can concentrate on what crusty diehards say). MS really had an uphill battle on their hands.
Application stores have little to do with Linux repositories. Application stores are first and foremost about money and monetizing software as much as possible. Their license agreement comes with restrictions on what an application can and cannot do (e.g. it cannot point you to buy something from a 3rd party store).
Way too late (not that I'd buy Elements since I already have Photoshop CS6). When Windows 8 first came out, I started perusing the Windows Store. I'd checked weekly, for 2 years, looking for any App I'd want to use over an existing Win32/64 application I already used. Never came across one so I stopped looking.
Microsoft has a history of being quick to abandon unprofitable ventures. There was once a Gates/Ballmer era rule of thumb that I recall hearing from the mouth of one of those two horses in a MS business strategy discussion webcast. The rule was they'd attempt to make a product profitable through its initial and one subsequent iteration before dropping it and moving on. To date, I think Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are the only product stacks I can think of offhand that break that rule, but for obvious reasons that exiting completely from mobile computing is a dangerously foolish move even if business is prone to losses. They certainly exited the residental wireless networking hardware business pretty quickly after their 802.11b and subsequent 11g products failed to really take off. I had one of their 54mbps 11g MS-branded routers until it finally died in 2012 and I was too lazy to open it up to repair the power connector.
Anyway...rambling aside, I think the Windows Store is another one of those ventures that's similar to mobile computing. Even if the Windows Store remains a mediocre or somewhat unprofitable venture, Microsoft will probably continue to operate it because their nearest competitors are doing so successfully and they can't afford not to have a competing service of some sort in order to prop up their core, profitable products.
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taisserroots - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
So windows is essentially creating it's own repository years after apple realised linux distros had a good idea.damianrobertjones - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
Sigh. Linux is the best, everything else sucks. Blah blah. /sWinterCharm - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
Linux was never ever "the best". It has it's place, sure, but I'll tell you right now the biggest drawback is having to wrangle with the CLI whenever something goes wrong, and it inevitability will.negusp - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
nah. The CLI is what makes Linux unique and inevitably awesome. If you can't handle it then you, quite simply, shouldn't be using linux.sorten - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
"If you can't handle it then you, quite simply, shouldn't be using linux"That attitude and reality are exactly why Linux has never hit 1% of the desktop market. Most computer users can't set up a printer.
It is a great server platform, particularly considering the cost.
negusp - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
This. Linux will never reach as wide an audience (discounting mobile OSes) as, say Windows, because most normal people are unwilling to learn how to use their own computers.Sad reality. I hope that the increased integration of computer science courses within middle and high schools help reverse the downward trend of tech-savvy but yet not-tech-savvy consumers.
ddriver - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
Linux as a computer operating system is excellent, far better than M$CR@P. Just look at Android vs competitors in the mobile market. It is without competition in the server and supercomputer market as well. It only sucks on the PC really...Where it lacks is on a GUI shell, which makes it a very lousy user operating system. All the major distros, regardless of whatever superlatives whoever may throw at them, are entirely pathetic at providing a decent user experience. I am a power user, and use Linux to a decent degree, and I find even the most allegedly "user friendly" distro totally appalling.
A "mere mortal" could not possibly deal with that, which I guess is true to some degree for windoze, but Linux is just plain out awful. I have to spend an hour typing in the terminal to get a new Debian install to work adequately. Ubuntu is a little better, or more accurately, a little less bad, but still no cigar.
Naturally, the lack of software doesn't help either. M$ have spent decades locking in software developers. Today it is a tad better, but back in the days it was practically impossible to write portable software, you had to chose a platform and stick to it, porting to another platform with its own APIs and idioms is a nightmare.
Worst part is that by the time Linux gets close to a good GUI shell it will probably be ruined. It is already heading that way and fast. Open is good, but with moderation, and Linux is currently too open for its own good. And Torvalds, as great as he might be at what he does, is a near-sighted, narrow-minded person as are pretty much all other influential figures at the foundation. They can't see what's truly good for Linux and are hopelessly stuck believing that it is openness, which will end up ruining it. I am fairly new to Linux, and I am already planning my departure from it for all workflows which allow it like I did with windoze, looking forward to either FreeBSD, potentially even a brand new OS from scratch.
sorten - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
Android isn't winning the mobile market because of technical excellence :-) It's winning the mobile market because it was the first non-Apple mobile OS for smart phones.ddriver - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
There was windoze CE a full 12 years before android, but it was complete garbage. Android is fairly decent, excluding a few niche omissions, for example low latency audio.The ecosystem is open enough, you can install applications at will, and you can run it without installing any google apps and services.
It is not really a matter of technical excellence either, Linux is technically excellent but that only gets it far in fields where technical excellency matters - servers, supercomputers, embedded, critical and real time applications. And while it is true that most people actually depend on this, it is indirectly and someone else's job, technical excellence doesn't do much about your average Joe's computing needs directly.
It is a matter of user friendliness and usability. Linux is very user unfriendly, and not too usable in a wide context. There are very few prosumer applications that run on Linux. Barely any contemporary AAA games.
The latter is also true for Android, which is why it ain't making too much gains on the desktop, it lacks the apps. What made it successful on mobile is that those devices are strictly oriented towards content consumption, so the lack of prosumer software doesn't really hurt adoption.
eddman - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
"M$CR@P""M$"
"windoze"
Why do some of you feel the need to resort to below childish behavior to argue your point.
I expected FAR better from anandtech readers.
ddriver - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
I am sure a model AT reader would be kissing the ground under M$ feet, same as for any other big lousy corporation. Then there are people with high standards and expectations who do not settle for the mediocrity of consumerism.Using pejorative terms is a common element of speech to express contempt or disapproval. It is cr@p and they are greedy b-holes, so my terminology is very much appropriate. Also, if you think those are the most prominent elements that make up my point, then you are completely clueless regarding the substance of my post, and are now nitpicking over trivialities because you don't have anything more substantial to say.
eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
They are not "prominent" but they do severely degrade your comments. You can write criticism without using jargon that fanboys use.Such terms are only common in forums and comment sections. No professional tech website, even those most critical of MS, would ever use them.
I have a problem with a lot of things that MS does, but I don't let my personal feelings take over to such an extent. That's not how a rational person should act.
The same applies if the criticism is aimed towards google, apple, etc.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
This is not a professional technology website LOL. It's main audience is clueless wannabes who have no cheaper way of considering themselves smart than to visit here.Are you by any chance a fascist? Who says your way is best and everyone has to do it the same way? While we are at it, let's not use any sarcasm, irony or cynicism, and lets all sound like sheep on prozac while we are at it. Because freedom and diversity of expression is not important, what's important is to show obedience and respect for the greedy corporations who have set humanity back by decades in their sick aspirations to pile money.
Sorry, but I don't think I can be convinced to settle for that by words, many have tried in far more eloquent ways than yours, and if you have such a big problem with it, the only thing you can do is come and make me ;) Those who deserve disrespect must be treated with such, if you don't, you are disrespecting yourself, and if you don't mind that, you are no better than cattle.
eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
I was completely polite towards you in my comments and yet you disrespect me for some reason. Fascist? Cattle?Writing words like M$, cr@pple, etc. is not sarcasm, irony or cynicism. It's just childish.
You obviously know your stuff and I agree with most of what you wrote up there in regard to windows and linux but it seems you also like to be disrespectful for some reason.
As for corporations, it's capitalism at work. They ALL can and will do things given the chance. Yes, no one should completely surrender to capitalism, by being a smart consumer and also pointing out its flaws, but there is also no need to be so hostile.
No, I don't want to convince or make you. I was just suggesting that a person can be of a higher standard. If you don't want to, then keep at it. It's your thing but don't expect others to like it.
I don't know how capitalism can "deserve disrespect". It's not a person with feelings. It's an economic system. If people had a better system, they would've used that instead.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
The thing is that nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is intrinsically good or bad. What really matters is how it is used. Everything can be used, and can be misused. You can use a gun to murder somebody for his shoes, you can use a gun to protect your family from a getting murdered for their shoes. You can use a spoon to eat your soup, you can use a spoon to scoop somebody's eyes out. You hopefully get the point.Apparently, you believe that pejorative forms of corporate monikers are always bad and childish. However, there is a good reason for you to believe that, because it enables you a cheap and easy way to feel superior - if using pejorative is always childish and bad, all you have to do is not use it and condemn it, and voila - you are better for it, or at least that's what you believe, which is good enough for you believers. And it is that belief of yours, and that necessity it satisfies, which prevent you from detecting a very much appropriate usage for M$ and cr@pple. It really boils down to the contexts. Is it a mere `cr@pple is FOS (and I don't mean free and open source)`, or is it `cr@pple is blah blah blah - a bunch of actual and well substantiated point making`.
As for the " If people had a better system, they would've used that instead" part, assume all you have is a bowl of urine and a bowl of excrement. And you had to ingest one of the two on a daily basis. Let's assume you'd go for the urine, because you have nothing better to ingest instead. Would you be glad and grateful for it? Would you throw superlatives and express admiration for the urine, or even show it respect? I don't think so.
Because see, it is not really a case of "better" as in "objectively better", it is a case of "better" as in "less bad" but still very much in the negative axis. And even if urine is less bad than excrement, that doesn't really make it good. It is what it is, but you don't have to like it, much less respect it, because respect cannot be granted, bought, or bestowed upon, it can only be earned. And when what's earned is the full opposite of respect, it is your responsibility to give it what its worth just as it would be to show respect to that, which is worthy of it.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Lets for a moment imagine a "better world", a world in which all people are as childish and silly as me, and fed up with Apple they all start referring to it as cr@pple. Would they still be in the position to be cr@ppy? Or will that either make them change their ways for the better or at least destroy them?You are offended by, or at the very least seem to have a problem with "cattle" and "fascist", however, I don't think that would have been the case if it didn't really apply to you. And I don't use those terms to offend anyone, but to indicate to all those who feel offended that then have a flaw they can work on and thus get better.
It is not much different with mocking corporations. As long as people bow to corporations, they will have things their way, they will never listen to what people actually want, instead they will dummify people to dictate them that they actually want products which are less for their own use than they are for them to be used by corporations.
You say it is childish and silly, I say it is my moral duty to call things as they really are. I also say by not doing so, you are betraying your own species to its degradation. If you show respect and obedience to your milker, you are indeed cattle. And you having a problem with those who are not is just you being exemplary cattle, trying to call back the "strays" into the herd. So pardon me if I don't conform to your narrow worldview :)
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
The fact that you are comparing what I do to a fanboy actually speaks very bad of you. In reality, you are much, much closer to a fanboy than I am. In fact, I am the full opposite of it, while you are effectively a lesser form of it.What makes a fanboy is not the world that he uses, but what he does through it. What does a fanboy do? He is being a FAN. Of a corporation. He may mock corporations A, but only out of a sense of indebted obligation to corporation B, which happens to be a competitor to A. The only difference between you and a fanboy is that with you the obligation is directed equally to all corporations, while with a fanboy it will be concentrated in a very specific direction. That could result in an artifact that the fanboy will mock one company, but it will be mocking it for the wrong reasons.
I don't mock M$ because of sense of indebted obligation to cr@pple, and I don't mock cr@pple because of sense of indebted obligation to M$. I mock them because that's what they deserve. I am merely calling things as they are, something that is very important, and unfortunately very rare these days, to a serious detriment to society as a whole.
I actually expect you to have much more of a problem with me than with even the most obnoxious and silly fanboy, because a fanboy is a lot like you, only more broken, so it doesn't bring the kind of discord to the cattle mentality as dissidents like me do, who make concrete points and state facts which even if you consciously deny trouble you subconsciously nonetheless. And again, I don't aim to insult you, just to motivate you to overcome this, although I won't be holding my breath... Good luck!
eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
... becasue writing M$ and cr@pple in internet's echo chambers have an effect on corporations and capitalism.All they do is to make their users look silly and childish.
Feel free to offend me more. It seems it is you that likes to feel superior over a person with a "narrow worldview". I was thought to be polite and respect others. I suppose that makes me inferior to you.
eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
*taughtIt seems I'm failing in my third language.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
You seem to be failing at simple logic and common sense, much more worrisome than failing in your "third language". Are you sure it ain't your fifth? As if your insecurities needed more showcasing LOL, also, sounding silly to silly people ain't no problem for me, it would be far worse if I didn't, it would mean I am in the same bag you are in :Deddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Yes, you are far superior than all us inferior people.damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
"As if your insecurities"Pot say hello to kettle.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Yep, always be polite and respectful, nobody wants rowdy cattle.eddman - Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - link
Just like you, the superior.damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
You do have issues.damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
"Are you by any chance a fascist? Who says your way is best and everyone has to do it the same way? "In a weeks time read the above comment five times and THEN re-read your own posts.
damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
"same as for any other big lousy corporation"Then the same stands for Apple and Google.
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
I automatically skip any comments using such terms; I'm sure many other readers do too.ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
The attention or approval of people "appalled" by pejorative forms of corporate monikers is below worthless. It is always and only your own loss if you are prejudiced and superficial. Tomorrow you may pass by a nugget of gold and leave it in the mud, just because it is covered in dirt ;)eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Nugget of gold: very valuable and will be picked up by virtually anyone, dirty, muddy, etc.Comments on the internet: Worthless. Yours, mine and virtually everyone's.
eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
*virtually everyoneddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Wisdom is far more precious than gold, but it takes some capacity to recognize it, even more to make something out of it. You appear to lack the requirements. You will not take the gold nugget either, because you will never know that it is gold, to the ignorant it will remain a ball of dirt.eddman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Thanks for the new insults. I didn't know that this is the way to be superior. I'm learning a lot from the "wisdom" written here. People should read the comments on the internet for "wisdom", and it's free too.ddriver - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Don't fool yourself, you learned nothing, you were already proficient at repeating stuff like a broken record :Deddman - Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - link
Your "wisdom" is too massive to contain and absorb. Such a pity. Only if I could learn to disrespect others like you. The world is missing on such "wisdom".damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
I need a block button.damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
It's odd that, despite a few annoyances with HP printers and other random third party software windows, over the last 10 years in the company that I work for, has caused very little issues. I look after the OS all day, every single day apart from most weekends.Yet someone like yourself just appears and calls it crap. Really, really odd.
damianrobertjones - Thursday, December 1, 2016 - link
"Linux as a computer operating system is excellent, far better than M$CR@P"In YOUR opinion. YOUR being the main word.
buxe2quec - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
"most normal people are unwilling to learn how to use their own computers" -> no, they are unwilling to spend hours and hours to learn a difficult way to use their computers, when there are easier ways that do not require huge waste of time to do simple things.damianrobertjones - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
Did you miss the /s ? :)jabber - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
The biggest drawbacks to Linux are - The online info is all written for folks who have been using Linux for 5+ years and skips the first 7 stages cos...you should know it already. Then the next is if you then go asking for the initial 7 stages on any Linux forum you get "Go learn this stuff NOOB!"Oh yes and once you say you've installed Linux you get told by 15 neckbeards that you installed the wrong distro.
BrokenCrayons - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
There's a steep learning curve and yes, there are points where you have to go digging for resources that actually have the information you're looking for, but there are lots of beginner-friendly publications out there AND forums have much more mainstream/helpful people in them than you're implying. Although people do have preferred distros (Mint is my favorite, for example) but that kind of response from others about a choice of a particular distro is really uncommon. People just aren't like that and those few who are generally keep to themselves or are easily ignored.Had this been 1998-2002 or so I might have agreed with you that the Linux user community was caustic. Some elements of it still are, especially when it concerns women getting into development because many of the programmers feel like they can say whatever they want because they're working basically for free, but the user-facing and user-supporting portions if the community have gotten more mainstream and much better in the past decade and a half. I'd say it's about equal to the mix of vitriol and reason that you find anywhere else on the Internet, including the comments section of AT.
I've dabbled in Linux since the late 1990s and only fully converted (except for one desktop PC I dumped in a corner with no monitor that I use for Steam streaming to my Linux boxes...which is itself becoming progressively less useful with the number of Linux-friendly games on a sharp rise in Steam) after Windows 8 and 10 were looking more and more like Microsoft telemetry and data mining tools than operating systems. It was a rough conversion for a few months while I spent time learning and tapping into resources to find useful information, but I don't regret it. However, I also don't really recommend people try to dive right in all at once or even at all depending on their comfort level with computers. Its certainly not an OS for everyone and I'm not sure it ever will reach that point, but with new installs of Windows 7 having problems with update services that are very broken and my lack of desire to mess with 10's more aggressive data collection, it might be the right choice.
jabber - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
Nah still mainly overly aggressive neckbeards in my experience.BrokenCrayons - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
Sometimes people don't realize that their own behaviour is ultimately the cause for their poor treatment from others. Then again, sometimes they do and relish in that sort of thing. Take a look inside with as little of your own personal bias as possible and you might discover one of those two possibilities is the case. :3Alexvrb - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
The concept of a software repository wasn't earthshattering stuff when it first hit Linux. You already had websites that were essentially repositories. Modern app stores have taken it a lot further over the years, including improvements to compilation (local OR cloud) and packaging/containers, updates. With that being said, there was a lot of resistance to an Apple or Google style App Store for Windows for various reasons. Some were companies like Steam who didn't want to share a cut, and others were silly like users who didn't want anything to do with a program that wasn't Win32 and didn't come on floppies (or some such other nonsense, who can concentrate on what crusty diehards say). MS really had an uphill battle on their hands.bug77 - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
Application stores have little to do with Linux repositories. Application stores are first and foremost about money and monetizing software as much as possible. Their license agreement comes with restrictions on what an application can and cannot do (e.g. it cannot point you to buy something from a 3rd party store).Meteor2 - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
It's been a bit quiet on Anandtech this week. Surprised there was no coverage of SC16.Ian Cutress - Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - link
Unfortunately timing didn't work out, otherwise I'd have been there.shumicpi - Friday, November 25, 2016 - link
Yes I've seen it, bit pricey for me, When I'm thinking about Affinity Photo.zepi - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
Does this mean that it has a decent touch-interface or is it just a win32-app that is next to impossible to use without a pointing device?Penti - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
As far as I know it's just a virtualized Win32-app. You can't really mix it in with UWP yet, but still has a lot of limitations.ddriver - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
Keep dreaming LOLsadsteve - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
Way too late (not that I'd buy Elements since I already have Photoshop CS6). When Windows 8 first came out, I started perusing the Windows Store. I'd checked weekly, for 2 years, looking for any App I'd want to use over an existing Win32/64 application I already used. Never came across one so I stopped looking.BrokenCrayons - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
Microsoft has a history of being quick to abandon unprofitable ventures. There was once a Gates/Ballmer era rule of thumb that I recall hearing from the mouth of one of those two horses in a MS business strategy discussion webcast. The rule was they'd attempt to make a product profitable through its initial and one subsequent iteration before dropping it and moving on. To date, I think Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are the only product stacks I can think of offhand that break that rule, but for obvious reasons that exiting completely from mobile computing is a dangerously foolish move even if business is prone to losses. They certainly exited the residental wireless networking hardware business pretty quickly after their 802.11b and subsequent 11g products failed to really take off. I had one of their 54mbps 11g MS-branded routers until it finally died in 2012 and I was too lazy to open it up to repair the power connector.Anyway...rambling aside, I think the Windows Store is another one of those ventures that's similar to mobile computing. Even if the Windows Store remains a mediocre or somewhat unprofitable venture, Microsoft will probably continue to operate it because their nearest competitors are doing so successfully and they can't afford not to have a competing service of some sort in order to prop up their core, profitable products.
0iron - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
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