The module itself is too big to begin with, not to mention the dev board. Also, specs are overkill for IoT, it doesn't need such fast storage, it doesn't need the 4 gigs of ram, especially considering that most atom tablets are still crippled at the pathetic 2 gigs of ram in devices which could actually make use of it, it doesn't need the CPU power, it certainly doesn't need the windoze spy/adware, it especially doesn't need the power requirements for all this. And all this for "only" 369$? U crazy?
Why does intel even bother? They can't do business without fat profit margins, they already failed to make any significant presence in the mobile device market, and IoT margins are even lower. Cortex M and R are really all IoT needs, and in some applications even smaller 8bit mcus make sense, they are tiny, easy to work with on the very low level and cost next to nothing. Who needs a lousy atom in IoT, that's an application processor, not a hardware device microelectronic.
It's clearly a high end device with features, performance & price to match and aimed at a niche market. Way to miss the point yet again. Clueless troll. FO.
A very niche market, I reckon one year in sale this product will own a whooping 0.0000001% of the IoT market, and of all the people who use it, 99% will be doing so because intel gave them the boards away for free advertising and paid to use them instead of something that actually makes sense.
Your immediate resort to personal attacks really goes to show who the troll is, and also the fanboy. And your ignorance towards how poorly suited this "high end" lousy overprices atom is compared to dedicated, much more energy efficient and much cheaper solutions goes to show who the clueless is. And since I am not convinced in your powers of deduction either, I will just say it straight to make it easier - it is all you ;)
By the time this hits market arm boards will be trashing it at 1/5 of the cost. Intel seems desperate to show it can do something other than milking their monopoly on x86, but as is evident from the market share they "conquered" in those other areas, they fail miserably at it, a failure further amplified by the tremendous amount of resources at their disposal failing to deliver. Seems like intel doesn't do too well in markets where it actually has competition, wish they had competition in x86 as well. Instead of creating designs to target specific markets, they try to cram their x86 cr@p in there cuz that's all they know and have, but with the prices and margins of ARM chips that sh1t ain't gonna fly.
Just got sick of the almost continuous stream of crap you post on here. They are selling it partly on seemingly exclusive features such as the RealSense camera. For some people x86 is a bonus depending on their skill set and tool-set. It's obviously not aimed for high volume at this price so to ignore its unique features over a much cheaper ARM product aimed for the mass market shows your ignorance. So either you are ignorant or trolling or probably both in your case.
joey always calls shit opinions which do not agree with his suck-up-to-tude.
But... but... it's got the "realsense" camera, that's amazing, at least intel claims it is. Oh wait, that's just another failure waiting to happen product of intel's misguided aspirations to be on the "forefront of innovation". Duh, it's two cameras and some software for gesture recognition, because you know, waving your hands around is so much better than traditional input techniques. I got only one gesture for realsense, and nobody on the planet needs software to recognize it :D
Hopefully one day you will realize this behind this hype is yet another tool for producing, entertaining, milking and controlling sheeple.
I honestly don't care about anything IoT or even developer kits like Raspberry Pi's, etc. so at this point you're shoving words in my mouth, as if I intimately cared about the technology presented in the article. I don't; I just read the article, scrolled through the comments section, found another person that had an agreeable post and posted a reply in agreement.
I think you're just triggered because I called you out (along with another poster) that you frequently shit-post in Anandtech comment section. There's nothing else to say here, and saying anything further on the matter would essentially be feeding the troll.
So you enter a "discussion" in an article with a topic you are ignorant of and don't care about to whine about someone else's opinion on the subject? All you wanted was to agree with someone. So quaint. It seems like you are in need of approval, thus provide approval for the sake of getting back some in return. This indicates underlying psychological problems, you may want to consult with a shrink, this is not an insult but a helpful advice. It is not a matter of thinking with you, but a matter of believing, that I "triggered" because you "called me out" but there isn't anything to indicate that's the case. You went whining because I have actual knowledge on the subject and standards that I dictate and not the industry, and you did it while having absolutely nothing to back it up - way to go. Thus you resort to the "that's all, if you reply you are a troll, if you don't - I showed you" cliche - so "by the book" wannabe. If you have like a few brain cells working, you would seriously think over what I just said, because chances are this is the best thing anyone is ever going to do for you. If you consider others substantiated opinions "shit" just because they don't agree with your unsubstantiated somewhat-of-an-opinion you are in dire need of professional help. If you have a problem with criticism towards a long time monopolist who has done irreparable damage to progress and innovation for the sake of profit and still struggles to stay relevant by cramming his stuff "everywhere" it doesn't belong - then that's an indication of a deep and serious underlying problem.
Hey, just FYI, but you should probably take a look in the mirror, because not once in your incoherent ramble did anything you say make any sense, nor did anything of it hold any truth, at all, whatsoever.
Your post is a pretty key example of online projecting; You're projecting your own character flaws onto someone else whom just made a post to say they agree with another poster.
You kind of need to learn to "deal with" online posts.
Are there going to be any alternatives to it in a bigger variant? As most of the people know the intel atom has really powerful series, not only for some of them, but all of it. http://snipurl.com/2an1wbp
If you are so enlightened, humor me what's great or even exclusive about realsense? Google and M$ have already developed pretty much identical technology, just under different trademarks. And it is nothing new either, that stuff has been around for many years, it is really only new to geniuses like you. Consumerist fanboys rejoice as corporations put fancy names on tech that has been around for a while, and somehow it is new and great. But it new only to you, because you are far behind the curve, and although the tech has great potential, it will end up milking idiots far more than it empowers people, like every bit of technology that fell victim to the greedy corporations.
Look, the issue is not @ddriver's personality. It's not even the quality of the board. It is the RELEVANCE of the board to the supposed target market. If Intel want to sell a board to high-end hobbyists fine. But selling a high-end hobbyist board and claiming it is for IoT is just stupid.
It's like Apple claiming that iPad's are servers. Yes, sure you could probably run some server software on an iPad, but doing so would be retarded, and calling an iPad a server is utterly unhelpful in describing the nature of the product. Likewise to claim that these boards are IoT boards is utterly unhelpful in describing their nature --- it is marketing jumping on a buzzword band-wagon, and I have no problem with @ddriver pointing out how stupid it is. We should all have a very low tolerance for marketing BS.
Ram is Package-on-Package, so no space is wasted. This board may be big, but for connectivity it tramples every SBC available (sans SATA), no to mention that they still managed to keep power consumption in check. It's also clearly aimed at more intensive tasks. With support for RealSense, I'd suspect it will be powerful enough to build a drone that can find it's way in a building on its own, which was impossible without using IR depth cameras so far (and often, offloading the calculations). I'm inclined to try!
Yeah, it does look nice for that use case though I suspect it would have to be a pretty big drone to be able to deliver the juice this thing needs. At least I suspect we are talking >1 watt which puts it out of reach for many typical drones.
I agree, I'm trying to think of the "thing" that this would be used in that needs to be internet enabled.
This is a tablet without a screen really. I can see some hobbyist uses (although I suspect at the price, pretty much every ARM SBC would be more attractive) but you're not going to be internet enabling your fridge with this. Well, maybe if you want to talk to the fridge or show it what you've just taken out that needs adding to the shopping list, and all the voice analysis or image analysis is done on the SBC itself.
Maybe so, but that doesn't show that these boards are appropriate for the task. Most power grid stuff (I assume you mean things like air con being signalled over the grid to run at lower power during high demand) doesn't need nearly this level of performance (and cost).
Meanwhile auto is either interior (DVD player and UI) which can be done a whole lot more cheaply on ARM, or is sensors and autonomous driving (which does need performance, but doesn't need Windows, so again paying the x86 tax doesn't make sense; a high end ARM plus GPUs is a better fit).
Yeah, that makes total sense, because the fact that I don't respect m$'s cr@pware invalidates everything I say. How very smart and mature of you. Wouldn't want to "grow up" like you did... ever...
Summary of your posts: Crap, nonsense and still clinging to old irrational hatred. Sorry, but that crap does invalidate your posts as it shows critical amount of bias, burying any good bits under pile of idiocy and nonsense.
Some people's bias is so deep and toxic yet they just can't see it. They just can't help themselves from attacking a company at any opportunity due to something they may have done a decade ago. The irony of them then telling other people to get psychiatric help is very telling. There is clearly a subset of people on IT sites with clear personality problems. AMD's Zen will not resolve these but maybe Zen Buddhism may help! Good luck.
His arguments were good. The point of damian was that the jab at ms undermined it to some extend which I think is true. Smiling is just being a righteous prick, ignore.
Damian does have a point, childish behavior like that just doesn't help your argument. I agree with the substance of your post but yeah, using m$ is not very mature even if it might be called for;-)
RealSense module plus the computing power to do something elaborated with that data locally & quickly. Your comment reminds me of the people who said to Henry Ford: But we want faster horses, not your weird noisy expensive and slow "automobile"!
I am always baffled by people who insist on claiming that evolution and higher performance is not needed. Lack of imagination does not make your comments more interesting. Try and speculate about new cool autonomous vehicles instead or I don't know maybe a bot that is negative towards new tech that posts on tech-blogs that spew ads for windoze spy/adware.
Can someone tell me WTF is "internet of things", and what are the applications here? Because other than electronics hobby, for toy projects, I don't see how I can use something like this.
> Can someone tell me WTF is "internet of things", and what are the applications here?
Easy: It's not defined so you get to make up anything that your imagination provides. Really the only restriction is that whatever you're thinking of has to be /somehow/ connected to the internet. Let me give you an example: You have a Philips Hue light with a remote -> Not IoT, you also have a Hue bridge and the light is paired with it -> IoT. The idea behind IoT is that once you have many of those internet enabled things available you can magically combine them into useful applications but what those might be is anyones best guess, especially when it comes to a useful involvement of the internet not only for the connection but also for the orchestration part.
Quite true, though IoT generally doesn't include independent computing devices (laptops) or such but is about an (for now largely imagined) wave of super small connected thingies and networked intelligence added to existing devices. So yeah, lights, fridges, bikes, doors, doorbells, and so on... the complaint that this Intel "IoT" device seems only to have that name for marketing purposes is valid, most of the examples of IoT you hear and see are centered around miliwatts consuming, cents-costing additions to existing devices. It is, at the very least, a stretch from Intel marketing to call this an IoT device.
Fully agreed. Reading IoT and then quadcore, 4gb ram... - I am sorry, what? What wearable devise is useful with two seconds of battery life? This is a neath device, absolutely, but claiming it is even remotely related to IoT is marketing bullshit. You measure IoT power usage in miliwatts, in the tens to hundreds... and costs has to be in the cents range for it to be relevant.
Again, this is cool for some embedded use cases, but even in a big drone it's power usage is likely to be an order of magnitude too big and calling an average drone an IoT device is already stretching the definition beyond reason... maybe micro drones could be but they would be the same size as this whole Joule module ;-)
One of the most poorly written and unintelligible headlines I've ever seen in my life. Seriously, go back and read it again! It even popped up on google news this way! Total gibberish to most people- is Andandtech's proof-editor dead?
yes it was jibberish, really funny. looks like they corrected it now to only marginally readable, still bad grammar.
It used to read "Intel Unveils Joule: "An" High-"Perofromanace" AtomPower IoT Module Maker Kit" what?? seriously some people didn't read well in school. Literally a very poorly constructed sentence, don't abbreviate IoT as well as other nonsense. for example, is it a 'module-maker'? or a 'maker kit'? See what I mean? There's no indication....combine that with IoT and you have still a laughable sentence with too many subjects and no commas- a bit like "A purple plebian perplexed DHL jargon floating banana wrench kit file adaptation maker kit IoT." Wow! yes, like that one.
It's quite powerful so I would expect this to be IoT gw, but for this I would also expect it to have ECC RAM. Even Quark SoC supports that so what's the point intel? https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/Compact/...
Can anyone explain to be the point if cancelling this for tablets when it is ready and in production? is it price only? As at that price it would have 0 chance to compete in tablet space.
Well you just answered your own question lol. There's no profit for Intel to compete with cheap ARM and Core M from fights with A9X at high-margin prices.
I suspect it's also the consistent failure of Intel to secure any significant design wins. From a performance point of view, the Atoms weren't too bad, but Intel couldn't convince partners to design and ship them in any half-decent products. It's not dissimilar to AMD's struggles in the laptop space. They actually offer some reasonably compelling mobile APUs, but trying to find a shipping laptop with an APU that you could actually recommend (decent display and build quality, SSD) is almost impossible, or at least was the last time I went looking. You can have the best CPU/SOC on the market, but if it's not shipping in any devices that people actually want to buy then no ones going to buy it.
At first, I was surprised about the price because compared to other small form factors it looks expensive. However, if you look at the specs in Ark this thing actually packs quite a punch and it has some nice features like a TPM. For example, you would not have to spend on storage, wifi, bluetooth, usb expansions. You get all these and performance ones at that. Try buying just as many Raspberry Pies and you still will not get the same performance.
So yes, IMO, it is well geared to IoT applications in which security is good to have.
Isn't the standard for IoT security ARM Trustzone though?
And sure, this is better specced than a Pi, but the Pi is 1/10th the cost. There are other ARM SBCs that have it all as well for a reasonable price too.
I always thought the standard for Io(pwnd)T was unencrypted HTTP and/or software that's several years out of date when shipped for a large number of release day exploits and which never is patched after release to maximize the number of new bugs available over time.
It's not clear that it has to be that way (though it probably will be on Android). Part of the way Apple has designed HomeKit is to force a certain minimum level of security on vendors (and now, with iOS 10, to force a certain minimum level of UI functionality; I'm guessing the changes in iOS 10 also provide support to make it maximally easy for vendors to apply updates, with Apple doing all the hassle stuff like UI and version checking --- vendor just dumps a new firmware binary on some Apple server).
Of course it IS a problem, but it's not like this is new. Printers, hard drives, bluetooth peripherals, routers. They all have firmware, and they've all suffered from terrible support for updates, ranging from flat-out nothing to weird updater crap that demands you have a Windows PC (and tough if you're a mac, linux, or mobile-only household). For printers and drives this may not matter (though it was a REAL issue with Samsung 840 SSDs...) but for BT and routers...
The real problem is companies that don't care and the customers that buy from them (sometimes repeatedly).
So you are referring to Trustzone Cryptocell. But no, unfortunately in the Raspberry PI 3 B, Trustzone is not the default. You need to install something called OP-TEE using a special cable.
In the Joule you get your security features by default.
Would it be possible to fact check the "Galileo and its compatriots Edison and Curie turned out to be solid hits for the company" part? I'd call Edison a huge flop: Too powerful and big (and expensive!) for small scale IoT but on the other hand far too slow, cramped, expensive and bundled with a braindead software development kit for IoT gateways.
I had the "pleasure" of having to implement some IoT functionality on one of Intels "high-end" (well, the price certainly was with a quote of a 4 figure $ value) Edison based gateways once and I'd be really surprised if someone is actually masochistic enough to use it more than once for anything...
Actually pretty much all that IoT "growth" is in back-end support. Intel calls everything from device management and connectivity to cloud storage and analytics part of IoT if there is even the slightest tenuous connection.
So basically Intel playing in their existing strengths, not actually growing a new market they way they would have you believe.
Goldmont cores will still go into low-end 2 in 1s under the Celeron and Pentium brands; just not the Atom brand and not at a TDP of less than 6W. I just can't work out if that TDP level rules out passively-cooled devices.
Hasn't Broxton/Atom been cancelled? What am I missing? They apparently laid off 10K people, and then they announce this? TBH I am confused by the whole Atom lineup and brand.
Totally shit boards in the name of IoT which isn't a tangible market to start with...
Instead of wasting millions on generic CPU boards and creating useless media hype in the name of developer programs, the better way to address IoT would be to create single chip solutions for individual use cases. You want a chip for drones, make the best damn single chip solution. If it is about making chip for a device with 10 year battery life, make an ultra low power chip with energy harvesting.
Marketing gimmicks without core technology behind it don't work in semicon.
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ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
The module itself is too big to begin with, not to mention the dev board. Also, specs are overkill for IoT, it doesn't need such fast storage, it doesn't need the 4 gigs of ram, especially considering that most atom tablets are still crippled at the pathetic 2 gigs of ram in devices which could actually make use of it, it doesn't need the CPU power, it certainly doesn't need the windoze spy/adware, it especially doesn't need the power requirements for all this. And all this for "only" 369$? U crazy?Why does intel even bother? They can't do business without fat profit margins, they already failed to make any significant presence in the mobile device market, and IoT margins are even lower. Cortex M and R are really all IoT needs, and in some applications even smaller 8bit mcus make sense, they are tiny, easy to work with on the very low level and cost next to nothing. Who needs a lousy atom in IoT, that's an application processor, not a hardware device microelectronic.
smilingcrow - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
It's clearly a high end device with features, performance & price to match and aimed at a niche market. Way to miss the point yet again. Clueless troll. FO.ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
A very niche market, I reckon one year in sale this product will own a whooping 0.0000001% of the IoT market, and of all the people who use it, 99% will be doing so because intel gave them the boards away for free advertising and paid to use them instead of something that actually makes sense.Your immediate resort to personal attacks really goes to show who the troll is, and also the fanboy. And your ignorance towards how poorly suited this "high end" lousy overprices atom is compared to dedicated, much more energy efficient and much cheaper solutions goes to show who the clueless is. And since I am not convinced in your powers of deduction either, I will just say it straight to make it easier - it is all you ;)
By the time this hits market arm boards will be trashing it at 1/5 of the cost. Intel seems desperate to show it can do something other than milking their monopoly on x86, but as is evident from the market share they "conquered" in those other areas, they fail miserably at it, a failure further amplified by the tremendous amount of resources at their disposal failing to deliver. Seems like intel doesn't do too well in markets where it actually has competition, wish they had competition in x86 as well. Instead of creating designs to target specific markets, they try to cram their x86 cr@p in there cuz that's all they know and have, but with the prices and margins of ARM chips that sh1t ain't gonna fly.
smilingcrow - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Just got sick of the almost continuous stream of crap you post on here.They are selling it partly on seemingly exclusive features such as the RealSense camera.
For some people x86 is a bonus depending on their skill set and tool-set.
It's obviously not aimed for high volume at this price so to ignore its unique features over a much cheaper ARM product aimed for the mass market shows your ignorance.
So either you are ignorant or trolling or probably both in your case.
JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Ddriver always shit-posts.ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
joey always calls shit opinions which do not agree with his suck-up-to-tude.But... but... it's got the "realsense" camera, that's amazing, at least intel claims it is. Oh wait, that's just another failure waiting to happen product of intel's misguided aspirations to be on the "forefront of innovation". Duh, it's two cameras and some software for gesture recognition, because you know, waving your hands around is so much better than traditional input techniques. I got only one gesture for realsense, and nobody on the planet needs software to recognize it :D
Hopefully one day you will realize this behind this hype is yet another tool for producing, entertaining, milking and controlling sheeple.
JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I honestly don't care about anything IoT or even developer kits like Raspberry Pi's, etc. so at this point you're shoving words in my mouth, as if I intimately cared about the technology presented in the article. I don't; I just read the article, scrolled through the comments section, found another person that had an agreeable post and posted a reply in agreement.I think you're just triggered because I called you out (along with another poster) that you frequently shit-post in Anandtech comment section. There's nothing else to say here, and saying anything further on the matter would essentially be feeding the troll.
ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
So you enter a "discussion" in an article with a topic you are ignorant of and don't care about to whine about someone else's opinion on the subject? All you wanted was to agree with someone. So quaint. It seems like you are in need of approval, thus provide approval for the sake of getting back some in return. This indicates underlying psychological problems, you may want to consult with a shrink, this is not an insult but a helpful advice. It is not a matter of thinking with you, but a matter of believing, that I "triggered" because you "called me out" but there isn't anything to indicate that's the case. You went whining because I have actual knowledge on the subject and standards that I dictate and not the industry, and you did it while having absolutely nothing to back it up - way to go. Thus you resort to the "that's all, if you reply you are a troll, if you don't - I showed you" cliche - so "by the book" wannabe. If you have like a few brain cells working, you would seriously think over what I just said, because chances are this is the best thing anyone is ever going to do for you. If you consider others substantiated opinions "shit" just because they don't agree with your unsubstantiated somewhat-of-an-opinion you are in dire need of professional help. If you have a problem with criticism towards a long time monopolist who has done irreparable damage to progress and innovation for the sake of profit and still struggles to stay relevant by cramming his stuff "everywhere" it doesn't belong - then that's an indication of a deep and serious underlying problem.JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - link
Hey, just FYI, but you should probably take a look in the mirror, because not once in your incoherent ramble did anything you say make any sense, nor did anything of it hold any truth, at all, whatsoever.Your post is a pretty key example of online projecting; You're projecting your own character flaws onto someone else whom just made a post to say they agree with another poster.
You kind of need to learn to "deal with" online posts.
Images - Monday, November 21, 2016 - link
Are there going to be any alternatives to it in a bigger variant? As most of the people know the intel atom has really powerful series, not only for some of them, but all of it. http://snipurl.com/2an1wbpsmilingcrow - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I normally just ignore them but made the mistake of reading one. Never again, just wish there was an ignore feature.ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
If you are so enlightened, humor me what's great or even exclusive about realsense? Google and M$ have already developed pretty much identical technology, just under different trademarks. And it is nothing new either, that stuff has been around for many years, it is really only new to geniuses like you. Consumerist fanboys rejoice as corporations put fancy names on tech that has been around for a while, and somehow it is new and great. But it new only to you, because you are far behind the curve, and although the tech has great potential, it will end up milking idiots far more than it empowers people, like every bit of technology that fell victim to the greedy corporations.name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Look, the issue is not @ddriver's personality. It's not even the quality of the board. It is the RELEVANCE of the board to the supposed target market.If Intel want to sell a board to high-end hobbyists fine. But selling a high-end hobbyist board and claiming it is for IoT is just stupid.
It's like Apple claiming that iPad's are servers. Yes, sure you could probably run some server software on an iPad, but doing so would be retarded, and calling an iPad a server is utterly unhelpful in describing the nature of the product.
Likewise to claim that these boards are IoT boards is utterly unhelpful in describing their nature --- it is marketing jumping on a buzzword band-wagon, and I have no problem with @ddriver pointing out how stupid it is. We should all have a very low tolerance for marketing BS.
jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Amen. It is a shame anandtech.com doesn't call this out.Vatharian - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Ram is Package-on-Package, so no space is wasted. This board may be big, but for connectivity it tramples every SBC available (sans SATA), no to mention that they still managed to keep power consumption in check. It's also clearly aimed at more intensive tasks. With support for RealSense, I'd suspect it will be powerful enough to build a drone that can find it's way in a building on its own, which was impossible without using IR depth cameras so far (and often, offloading the calculations). I'm inclined to try!jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Yeah, it does look nice for that use case though I suspect it would have to be a pretty big drone to be able to deliver the juice this thing needs. At least I suspect we are talking >1 watt which puts it out of reach for many typical drones.psychobriggsy - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I agree, I'm trying to think of the "thing" that this would be used in that needs to be internet enabled.This is a tablet without a screen really. I can see some hobbyist uses (although I suspect at the price, pretty much every ARM SBC would be more attractive) but you're not going to be internet enabling your fridge with this. Well, maybe if you want to talk to the fridge or show it what you've just taken out that needs adding to the shopping list, and all the voice analysis or image analysis is done on the SBC itself.
Meteor2 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Pretty much any vehicle and any part in the power grid stands to benefit through remote/autonomous operation optimisation.name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Maybe so, but that doesn't show that these boards are appropriate for the task.Most power grid stuff (I assume you mean things like air con being signalled over the grid to run at lower power during high demand) doesn't need nearly this level of performance (and cost).
Meanwhile auto is either interior (DVD player and UI) which can be done a whole lot more cheaply on ARM, or is sensors and autonomous driving (which does need performance, but doesn't need Windows, so again paying the x86 tax doesn't make sense; a high end ARM plus GPUs is a better fit).
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I was with you until you wrote 'windoze'. Come on just grow up already.ddriver - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Yeah, that makes total sense, because the fact that I don't respect m$'s cr@pware invalidates everything I say. How very smart and mature of you. Wouldn't want to "grow up" like you did... ever...Klimax - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Summary of your posts: Crap, nonsense and still clinging to old irrational hatred. Sorry, but that crap does invalidate your posts as it shows critical amount of bias, burying any good bits under pile of idiocy and nonsense.smilingcrow - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Some people's bias is so deep and toxic yet they just can't see it.They just can't help themselves from attacking a company at any opportunity due to something they may have done a decade ago.
The irony of them then telling other people to get psychiatric help is very telling. There is clearly a subset of people on IT sites with clear personality problems.
AMD's Zen will not resolve these but maybe Zen Buddhism may help!
Good luck.
t.s - Friday, August 19, 2016 - link
Has you read his argument? It's quite logical and true. Can you show me where the bias?jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
His arguments were good. The point of damian was that the jab at ms undermined it to some extend which I think is true. Smiling is just being a righteous prick, ignore.jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Damian does have a point, childish behavior like that just doesn't help your argument. I agree with the substance of your post but yeah, using m$ is not very mature even if it might be called for;-)MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
RealSense module plus the computing power to do something elaborated with that data locally & quickly. Your comment reminds me of the people who said to Henry Ford: But we want faster horses, not your weird noisy expensive and slow "automobile"!Fujikoma - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Another lost, wccftech commentor wannabe.MartenKL - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I am always baffled by people who insist on claiming that evolution and higher performance is not needed. Lack of imagination does not make your comments more interesting. Try and speculate about new cool autonomous vehicles instead or I don't know maybe a bot that is negative towards new tech that posts on tech-blogs that spew ads for windoze spy/adware.p1esk - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Can someone tell me WTF is "internet of things", and what are the applications here? Because other than electronics hobby, for toy projects, I don't see how I can use something like this.Daniel Egger - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
> Can someone tell me WTF is "internet of things", and what are the applications here?Easy: It's not defined so you get to make up anything that your imagination provides. Really the only restriction is that whatever you're thinking of has to be /somehow/ connected to the internet. Let me give you an example: You have a Philips Hue light with a remote -> Not IoT, you also have a Hue bridge and the light is paired with it -> IoT. The idea behind IoT is that once you have many of those internet enabled things available you can magically combine them into useful applications but what those might be is anyones best guess, especially when it comes to a useful involvement of the internet not only for the connection but also for the orchestration part.
jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Quite true, though IoT generally doesn't include independent computing devices (laptops) or such but is about an (for now largely imagined) wave of super small connected thingies and networked intelligence added to existing devices. So yeah, lights, fridges, bikes, doors, doorbells, and so on... the complaint that this Intel "IoT" device seems only to have that name for marketing purposes is valid, most of the examples of IoT you hear and see are centered around miliwatts consuming, cents-costing additions to existing devices. It is, at the very least, a stretch from Intel marketing to call this an IoT device.jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Fully agreed. Reading IoT and then quadcore, 4gb ram... - I am sorry, what? What wearable devise is useful with two seconds of battery life? This is a neath device, absolutely, but claiming it is even remotely related to IoT is marketing bullshit. You measure IoT power usage in miliwatts, in the tens to hundreds... and costs has to be in the cents range for it to be relevant.Again, this is cool for some embedded use cases, but even in a big drone it's power usage is likely to be an order of magnitude too big and calling an average drone an IoT device is already stretching the definition beyond reason... maybe micro drones could be but they would be the same size as this whole Joule module ;-)
Arnulf - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Priced for a glorious fail. Alas.trintdune - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
One of the most poorly written and unintelligible headlines I've ever seen in my life. Seriously, go back and read it again! It even popped up on google news this way! Total gibberish to most people- is Andandtech's proof-editor dead?jordanclock - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Seems perfectly legible to me as is:Intel Unveils Joule: A High-Performance Atom-Powered IoT Module & Maker Kit
Are you seeing something different?
MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
+1trintdune - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
yes it was jibberish, really funny. looks like they corrected it now to only marginally readable, still bad grammar.It used to read "Intel Unveils Joule: "An" High-"Perofromanace" AtomPower IoT Module Maker Kit" what?? seriously some people didn't read well in school. Literally a very poorly constructed sentence, don't abbreviate IoT as well as other nonsense. for example, is it a 'module-maker'? or a 'maker kit'? See what I mean? There's no indication....combine that with IoT and you have still a laughable sentence with too many subjects and no commas- a bit like "A purple plebian perplexed DHL jargon floating banana wrench kit file adaptation maker kit IoT." Wow! yes, like that one.
kgardas - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
It's quite powerful so I would expect this to be IoT gw, but for this I would also expect it to have ECC RAM. Even Quark SoC supports that so what's the point intel? https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/Compact/...smilingcrow - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
ECC hardly seems essential for this class of device!beginner99 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Can anyone explain to be the point if cancelling this for tablets when it is ready and in production? is it price only? As at that price it would have 0 chance to compete in tablet space.Meteor2 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Well you just answered your own question lol. There's no profit for Intel to compete with cheap ARM and Core M from fights with A9X at high-margin prices.rhysiam - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I suspect it's also the consistent failure of Intel to secure any significant design wins. From a performance point of view, the Atoms weren't too bad, but Intel couldn't convince partners to design and ship them in any half-decent products. It's not dissimilar to AMD's struggles in the laptop space. They actually offer some reasonably compelling mobile APUs, but trying to find a shipping laptop with an APU that you could actually recommend (decent display and build quality, SSD) is almost impossible, or at least was the last time I went looking. You can have the best CPU/SOC on the market, but if it's not shipping in any devices that people actually want to buy then no ones going to buy it.atirado - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
At first, I was surprised about the price because compared to other small form factors it looks expensive. However, if you look at the specs in Ark this thing actually packs quite a punch and it has some nice features like a TPM. For example, you would not have to spend on storage, wifi, bluetooth, usb expansions. You get all these and performance ones at that. Try buying just as many Raspberry Pies and you still will not get the same performance.So yes, IMO, it is well geared to IoT applications in which security is good to have.
psychobriggsy - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Isn't the standard for IoT security ARM Trustzone though?And sure, this is better specced than a Pi, but the Pi is 1/10th the cost. There are other ARM SBCs that have it all as well for a reasonable price too.
DanNeely - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I always thought the standard for Io(pwnd)T was unencrypted HTTP and/or software that's several years out of date when shipped for a large number of release day exploits and which never is patched after release to maximize the number of new bugs available over time.name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
It's not clear that it has to be that way (though it probably will be on Android).Part of the way Apple has designed HomeKit is to force a certain minimum level of security on vendors (and now, with iOS 10, to force a certain minimum level of UI functionality; I'm guessing the changes in iOS 10 also provide support to make it maximally easy for vendors to apply updates, with Apple doing all the hassle stuff like UI and version checking --- vendor just dumps a new firmware binary on some Apple server).
Of course it IS a problem, but it's not like this is new. Printers, hard drives, bluetooth peripherals, routers. They all have firmware, and they've all suffered from terrible support for updates, ranging from flat-out nothing to weird updater crap that demands you have a Windows PC (and tough if you're a mac, linux, or mobile-only household). For printers and drives this may not matter (though it was a REAL issue with Samsung 840 SSDs...) but for BT and routers...
The real problem is companies that don't care and the customers that buy from them (sometimes repeatedly).
atirado - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
So you are referring to Trustzone Cryptocell. But no, unfortunately in the Raspberry PI 3 B, Trustzone is not the default. You need to install something called OP-TEE using a special cable.In the Joule you get your security features by default.
Daniel Egger - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Would it be possible to fact check the "Galileo and its compatriots Edison and Curie turned out to be solid hits for the company" part? I'd call Edison a huge flop: Too powerful and big (and expensive!) for small scale IoT but on the other hand far too slow, cramped, expensive and bundled with a braindead software development kit for IoT gateways.I had the "pleasure" of having to implement some IoT functionality on one of Intels "high-end" (well, the price certainly was with a quote of a 4 figure $ value) Edison based gateways once and I'd be really surprised if someone is actually masochistic enough to use it more than once for anything...
Meteor2 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Look at Intel's quarterly reports. IoT is a growth area.Daniel Egger - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Right...> Internet of Things Revenue $572M -12% +2%
Question is: What do they book under "Internet of Things"? That line is as much mushy as the definition of IoT itself...
name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Actually pretty much all that IoT "growth" is in back-end support. Intel calls everything from device management and connectivity to cloud storage and analytics part of IoT if there is even the slightest tenuous connection.So basically Intel playing in their existing strengths, not actually growing a new market they way they would have you believe.
Meteor2 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Goldmont cores will still go into low-end 2 in 1s under the Celeron and Pentium brands; just not the Atom brand and not at a TDP of less than 6W. I just can't work out if that TDP level rules out passively-cooled devices.MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
6 W is fine for a passively cooled tablet. It's too much for continous load on a phone, though.smilingcrow - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
6W is getting quite high for a passively cooled tablet.ianmills - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
At this price the only thing I can imagine this going into would be a car...grrrgrrr - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
The specs are great, forget about IoT, what about making a surface 4?ec20flat - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Hasn't Broxton/Atom been cancelled? What am I missing? They apparently laid off 10K people, and then they announce this? TBH I am confused by the whole Atom lineup and brand.Ryan Smith - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
It was cancelled for smartphones/tablets, but not for other devices.semiconman - Saturday, August 20, 2016 - link
Totally shit boards in the name of IoT which isn't a tangible market to start with...Instead of wasting millions on generic CPU boards and creating useless media hype in the name of developer programs, the better way to address IoT would be to create single chip solutions for individual use cases. You want a chip for drones, make the best damn single chip solution. If it is about making chip for a device with 10 year battery life, make an ultra low power chip with energy harvesting.
Marketing gimmicks without core technology behind it don't work in semicon.